WoKJ Admin Election - Declare Intention to Run
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Keyser Söze
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On 2nd thoughts it is not fair on my part to decide this early. I am looking forward for this to go to next stage and will not make any judgment until every candidate has fair chance to present their plans. I hope the best candidate wins.
Still will say MikeQ has made the most impressive start to his "campaign" and thanks for the detailed plans.
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torrino
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Poster of the Month isn't a horrible idea. We did it at BOM...posters like TonyMontana and ChipMunky would run clever campaigns. But that can be something users decide to do...it's not the administration's responsibility, though it can certainly help facility
As far as transparency goes, I promised way back in this thread to keep every thread in The Site open. Mike brings up other initiatives, all of which are sound. But FYI, my original avatar was "da torri + Zingaling. transparency, democracy, efficiency, and fun." So MikeQ's platform of "MikeQ: transparency, objectivity, fun, and pre-decided mods + evaluation" isn't so much of a stretch. He's just using a lot of words to explain it.
I have three main issues with Mike's platform:
1) His section about "objectivity" can be summed up simply: checks and balances. This is the backbone to my campaign and has been since day one. I have promised a true representative democracy -- where I will not enjoy any veto power -- and where my own moderator choices will be 100% balanced by moderator elections on WoKJ. Basically, if objectivity is your priority, you'll get more with torrino, not MikeQ.
2) Separating moderators by sub-forum sounds like a good idea, but one should consider situations where 1 or 2 moderators, limited by their "real world" schedules, are unable to keep up with the demands of each sub-forum.
3) Some of the mods he has chosen are of questionable moral character.
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Korrgan
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Magnus wrote: Mike is too control-heavy. Having so many moderators IMO is bad when big decisions have to be made. You need to have diversity, but not nine mods (including the admin). A major issue is that mods have taken a bit too much time when making a decision. Having nine mods will not help with this issue. Some mods, like me, shouldn't even be asked to make a decision about certain things whenever anything arises. I'm only becoming a mod of the BO Games & Quiz Show forum because we've always needed a full-time mod to deal with the game threads each week.MikeQ. chose me because I run a fabulous game that is the longest running BO game on KJ and behind just The Derby on the whole of the Internets. I'm in the forum every single day, several times a day.
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Corpse
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shawman wrote: I am hoping for others to do what MikeQ did and hope to pick the best candidate but I liked the fact that MikeQ has treated this more seriously than any other candidate and announced his intentions with plans. Most other candidates have been rather frivolous to my liking. corpse is another candidate who has not been frivolous and I am eager to read what she has in mind.
Grill, If you think you are a serious candidate its time to stay away from this thread. I dont see you getting any vote from folks who read this thread. This is from someone who has not even been aware about you being a menace. I just read the original thread again, and the thread for candidates to list their plans won't be up until the middle of June after the final 5 are decided by public vote starting June 7th. I was going to wait for the actual thread to be posted, but the posters who have posted their plans will have a strong advantage over those who have decided to wait for the thread to do so. So I'm going to go ahead and post my ideas before June 7th, the first round of voting. Anyone else who has waited probably should to since they are at a disadvantage against the early birds. And in case MikeQ. or others aren't aware, Groucho and I mod the BO Games Forum right now. Groucho has for a few years I think, and I have for about a year now.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:54 pm |
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Grill
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from the other thread.....thought those were the first dates before Eagle finalized based on our comments - as he posted this to my basic question, how will be know who to vote for >>> Eagle wrote: They certainly can. We can probably create a seperate 'Stump' thread where canidates and users can voice opinions, ask questions, etc.
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Corpse
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My platform:
---Moderators:
First, I am not going to name members I have in mind to form a new moderating team. That will influence members who vote whether it was meant to or not. But I can say what I would expect or want from a moderating team.
1. A moderator cannot be hidden. I know this may be unpopular for some, but I feel it's necessary for a moderator to be seen by the members. It looks good to lurkers to see there is always a moderator on, looks good to anyone who has stumbled upon KJ, and is a big help for any member who needs a moderator's assistance with something. It simply looks professional if you will.
2. A moderator must be a regular user. A moderator who only visits a few times a week, or once a day is pointless. They will only add more work for the other moderators in the long term and make the forum look sloppy.
3. A moderator must visit several forums daily. A moderator who only visits one or two forums does not work for a board the size of WOKJ. If one becomes unavailable for any reason, it causes problems that could have been avoided. I'll use the BO Games Forum as an example. Last year that part of the forum was not being updated but maybe once a week because members had to PM one of the moderators about it. The moderators at the time simply didn't visit the forum often enough, and you had threads stickied that were weeks old, while new ones began to drop down the page. Assigning one moderator per forum also doesn't work, even on larger forums, they require several moderators per forum.
4. New names. There really needs to be some new blood on this forum. I'll use MikeQ.'s list of users he has in mind to be moderators as an example. I haven't checked when all of them joined WOKJ, but I'm almost positive all of them joined when the forum was created or shortly after. The same names we've seen for almost 5 years. There wasn't a single fresh name on the list. Not to take anything away from anyone listed, each member listed are great users. But it's really time to balance the old with the new, and there are some new members who I believe would do perfectly in the position along with the original members.
These are four simple requirements anyone interested in being a moderator would need if I were to be elected. I may not even hand pick anyone and leave it up to the board. Thinking of having a "Posters Choice" for at least one or to have the board involved somehow in the process, not just me.
---Decision Making
Any decisions made by the moderators or me will be required to document the case. I believe MikeQ. stated something similar, and it's the right thing to do.
I will post a thread in The Site where the moderators will document for the public to see. They must also state their reason for taking the action they did, and must post an open discussion thread in The Site regarding that individual case to be discussed by the members here.
---New features:
All the details here still need to be worked on, but I can bring to the forum what none of the other candidates can. I know how to work a phpBB board. I understand Nebs will still be on board for all the technical issues, but I will be able to assist him if needed. And possibly add new features to the site if they are able to be done. An example of this would be Rank Images or Fonts, or Holiday Themes. I know how to modify a phpBB forum inside and out. And the users will be the ones deciding what they would like.
These are the basic ideas I had in mind when taking part in this election, and I wouldn't be doing so if I didn't believe I could bring some much needed "NEW" to WOKJ that none of the other candidates have offered or are capable of doing, and the public board will be more imporant than me or the moderating team in all of this.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Argos
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Corpse wrote: All the details here still need to be worked on, but I can bring to the forum what none of the other candidates can. I know how to work a phpBB board. Since you have never asked, you may not know that I have administered about four forums until now. I forgive you. But I can tell you this: All the other candidates have stated how they plan to handle the forum and its users. My intention, if you vote wisely, will be to help, not to govern you. You have, thus, the opportunity to choose between different leaders and one guardian.
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Mau
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Those are great ideas, specially the A moderator cannot be hidden rule....
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Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:17 pm |
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Grill
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Grill wrote: from the other thread.....thought those were the first dates before Eagle finalized based on our comments - as he posted this to my basic question, how will be know who to vote for >>> Eagle wrote: They certainly can. We can probably create a seperate 'Stump' thread where canidates and users can voice opinions, ask questions, etc. So with 2 days left. Can a thread be set up for people to make statements on their plans or is this going to happen next week.
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Keyser Söze
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Corpse, Thanks for bringing forward your plans. It did have good ideas and I like the idea of new faces(who ever has the enthusiasm).
I will ask questions to serious candidates once the appropriate thread comes up. Currently it is just useful to know the key principles of each candidates.
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Corpse
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I've also considered trying something new that I doubt has been thought of, but I'm not sure if KJ is big enough for it to work. And that idea is having two different levels of mods, with the purpose of phasing in new mods over time. I'll explain.
Let's say I win and choose two members as moderators. Two who I felt meet the requirements I posted. Two isn't quite enough (4 is probably a good number right now), so the forum would need two more. What I would do is post a thread for anyone interested in joining the team. After the process of finding those two new moderators, the board would have their 4. The two I chose, and the two the forum chose. Two different levels (let's use the "Present or Old Mods" and the "Future or New Mods" for now). I haven't detailed this out yet, but let's say a year or maybe half a year passes. After that year, the present/old mods would give up their ranking to the future/new mods. And the process of finding two new mods would take place again so we can rotate and give others a chance too. It'd help keep the forum fresh, while keeping interest high.
Of course, the powers of the Current and Future Mods would differ. Current Mods would have more powers than the Future Mods.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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torrino
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Team T&Z wants to promote democracy, efficiency, and transparency. They do not intend to obstruct the natural flow of conversation on KJ, but will bring to the table problem-solving procedures that are fast, flexible, and fair.
In true MikeQ. fashion:
1) Democracy - torrino and Zingaling will elect two moderators and also allow WoKJ users to elect two moderators in an election. - Should administrative action be required, moderators will discuss issues within a timeframe and vote on outcomes (granted that a solution has not been reached from discussion alone). torrino's vote will not be afforded any extra weight. - KJ users who are dissatisfied with a moderator's performance may raise claims in "The Site." These claims will be evaluated by moderators publicly, and a warning may be issued. There will be no warning immunity for moderators. These same conditions apply to the administrator. Torrino, should he receive three warnings, will relinquish his administrator title. - Moderators will give users the benefit of the doubt in terms of thread creation and posting. To a degree, random, trivial chatter fuels the forum.
2) Efficiency - Moderators will be responsible for maintaining all forum sections. However, moderators may choose to designate themselves as the "go-to-guy" of a particular forum, in which case they would handle the majority of user requests in the specified forum. - Moderators are assumed to be capable of handling day-to-day moving/merging/locking/editing/stickying/etc. In cases where a post is edited, a moderator will have to sign his or her user name in the text of the edited post, along with an explanation of why the post was edited. - Both the warning procedure system and the post-report function will be revised so that they are functional and clear to users. Any warnings that are issued will be accompanied by an explanation. A post reported through the function will be addressed within 24 hours. - When an issue is raised in "The Site," moderators will discuss the issue either in "The Site" or in their own forum, vote on a solution, and post an official response within 24 hours (when the issue is unrelated to a forum user's behavior) or 72 hours (when the issue involves a forum user's behavior).
3) Transparency - When issues are raised in "The Site," threads will not be closed -- under any circumstance -- unless the thread in question is created for the sole purpose of bad-mouthing a user. - All administrative actions will be explained in "The Site" with both a majority argument and dissent argument. - torrino and Zingaling will manage a thread where members can evaluate moderator performance. - Moderators will publish a bi-weekly report discussing current problems and longer-term initiatives.
4) Fun - torrino and Zingaling will host an IRC chat room. - torrino and Zingaling will host occasional radio station programming, including extensive, chronological "History of Rock" and "History of Rap" series. - torrino and Zingaling will offer to facilitate and oversee the award ceremonies (if no one wants to do it). - torrino and Zingaling will resurrect the "KJ Gold" forum, where a single user can have sole thread-creation rights, exclusively, for a few days. The forum will be available on a first-come, first-serve basis. - torrino and Zingaling will create a modern edition of the legendary International Film Festival. - User groups will certainly be allowed. Private forums, additionally, will be negotiable.
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zingy
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It'll be something like this. We'll create a FYC/Declare Intention to Run thread, which could be up for a week. Then, we'll allow people to vote via PM. The top two candidates will be elected moderators.
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Michael A
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I think Torri has a well thought out and intelligent plan, but his willingness to allow even himself to be voted off in just 3 warnings shakes me. I don't want a dictator or anything, but there is a reason that governments work best when they are a moderate democracy, and not a full-democracy or a dictatorship. Personally I slightly prefer Corpse' plan as his focus on "new" things is appealing to a "new" poster.
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:35 am |
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Grill
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Still not sure what is happening as others also seem confused - so are we only declaring intention to run as the thread says > it more > wish it would have said Declare Intention to Run and Make your case to be WOKJ Admin!
WoKJ Admin Election - Declare Intention to Run [ Go to page: 1 ... 10, 11, 12 ] Global announcement
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Eagle
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Conversation here is welcome, if candidates want to lay out their rough plans, that's fine too. The next phase is two fold:
1) A Stump and Debate thread is created. Only candidates are allowed to post in this thread, I will be accepting questions from users via PM, and if I feel a good one comes up, I will pose it to the candidates in that thread so they may answer it in x words or less.
2) A Candidate Nomination thread. This will be a public nomination process, everyone will be allowed one post, and that post must contain only the name of the candidate they wish to vote for. They can edit and modify that post up until when the thread closes, at which point votes will be counted and we will move on to the next step in the process. The original plan was to have the top 5 move on, but I think I will lower that to 3 or 4 given the turnout. That number will be announced when the thread is created.
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Chippy
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This is a done deal.
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Johnny Dollar
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With all the talk of Goldie, no one has yet posted a final solution to the ChipMunky issue. I want results!
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Chippy
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yoshue wrote: With all the talk of Goldie, no one has yet posted a final solution to the ChipMunky issue. I want results! There will be no issue with ChipMunky as Admin.
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:12 am |
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Grill
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Well you knew I was going to ask a question/make a comment...use if you feel any are worthy! See them below ***. PS > That below is some pretty fine ADMing below! Eagle wrote: Conversation here is welcome, if candidates want to lay out their rough plans, that's fine too. The next phase is two fold:
1) A Stump and Debate thread is created. Only candidates are allowed to post in this thread, I will be accepting questions from users via PM, and if I feel a good one comes up, I will pose it to the candidates in that thread so they may answer it in x words or less.
* Think there should be 3 threads started. One for candidate statements only. Every day, I think the candidates should be allowed to post 1 statement to clarify their views. This is important cause in the next thread, all views could get mixed up. (This is almost like my RT summary thread where people can come in and read from top to bottom, just a quick outline of what each candidate is thinking). The second would be for your #2. * Think candidates should be able to purpose good general questions also. An example might be > How many MODs do you think is needed to run the forum? * Think a 3rd thread should also be set up! As the first 2 will be controlled by Eagle but a 3rd thread could be in the Site with anyone making comments that wants to - good or bad - about how they think the election is being run. That way, there will be an open thread for anyone to comment and no one can say that they weren't allowed to speak!
2) A Candidate Nomination thread. This will be a public nomination process, everyone will be allowed one post, and that post must contain only the name of the candidate they wish to vote for. They can edit and modify that post up until when the thread closes, at which point votes will be counted and we will move on to the next step in the process. The original plan was to have the top 5 move on, but I think I will lower that to 3 or 4 given the turnout. That number will be announced when the thread is created.
* Think the people to move on should be decided after you look at all of the votes - use how many have a decent percentage. Or how many are in the top part of the voting. * Don't think this thread should be set up until, at least the half way point of tread #1 above so people don't start casting votes until they know what people stand for. * How long this is open for is another question as some pass by weekly so it should be announced what the time frame is early. * Maybe a couple of global email should be sent out with the ending dates of each new phase of the election and some information on what we are voting for and why you are holding this election.
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:32 pm |
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Grill
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Please note as others have done, I have to decided to release the names of the worthy individuals who I will OFFER MODing abiliites to based on who I would like to see in charge of solving board problems! And they cover all forums as they can jump on and off whenever they want to.
My First 13 Picks off the top of my head.
And remember, a great ADM has to make quick calls under all situations so this is just an example of the quality that I want MODing this board!
Eagle Loyal Mav Libs (who also will be offered the newly created position of First Lady of KJ) Dr Lecter MikeQ Nebs Sam Mike Korregan Gunslinger That BillyBob Guy Mr. Green
PS. If you want to be considered also, Please PM me with details!
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Box
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I have decided to also support Torrinaling.  My love spreads widely.
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:46 pm |
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Caius
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Grill wrote: Please note as others have done, I have to decided to release the names of the worthy individuals who I will OFFER MODing abiliites to based on who I would like to see in charge of solving board problems! And they cover all forums as they can jump on and off whenever they want to.
My First 13 Picks off the top of my head.
And remember, a great ADM has to make quick calls under all situations so this is just an example of the quality that I want MODing this board!
Eagle Loyal Mav Libs (who also will be offered the newly created position of First Lady of KJ) Dr Lecter MikeQ Nebs Sam Mike Korregan Gunslinger That BillyBob Guy Mr. Green
PS. If you want to be considered also, Please PM me with details! Do you have Blagojevich style hair? I am leaning towards voting for you, but a lack of the hair could be a deal breaker.
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Jim Halpert
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torrino is the obvious choice here
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Gulli
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Did I tell you Chuck sucks Jim because it does!!
Seriously though, I fail to see the need for a new admin the site has been free of dramaz or lunacy for ages, it self regulates at this stage.
I'll be voting for Argos if this goes ahead though.
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