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Mav,

The whole point of the agreement was to end the bickering. I felt most of it was childish, and foolish. While I was positive loyal was indeed baiting you, I felt your reaction to it was equally as bad.

I thought the both of you were equally at fault, where you only blamed loyal.

I wanted you to air your grievences with the forum members, in hopes that they could explain it to you. I felt you were wrong, and felt that you were misunderstanding the situation, I felt that if the members all told you to just cool down, and that you were overreacting to the situation, that maybe you would listen, I fear now that I was wrong and the result would have been similar to this thread.

Now let us end this mess of a thread.

Considering his stance in our discussions, and his comments in this thread. No mav, I believe that like all of us, he feels that the email should never have been sent, but that you overreacted immensly.

Ok, I'm too drained for anymore of this tonight, but before we end this, I have one question. If you saw us as BOTH being wrong, why did you PM me telling me I was to blame and most of the mods were in agreement 100%?

How do all of you feel about loyal lying about it? Even today, he lied about how he got the e-mail address. Does that sit well with all of you?

Prove to me where he got the email address mav, otherwise stop with the ignorant baseless claims.

He told me where he believed he got it, frankly the Oscars were a long time ago, I don't blame him if he doesnt remember and/or doesnt care where he got it from fact is he had it, and have no reason to believe he got it from this board or any of its moderators.

You want me to prove it? Ok, he claims he got it from remembering my AIM. You know very well what my AIM is. I'll forward you the e-mail, and you will see with your own eyes that they don't match.

Mav, My PM to you, which you have so incorrectly referred to multiple times, was meant to do the following.

1) Explain to you how much I valued you as a member
2) Explain to you that the situation with Loyal needed stopped
3) Explain to you that I understood Loyal was baiting you
4) Explain to you that I would talk to Loyal about it.
5) Explain to you that if Loyal baited you again, I would expect you to handle it in a much more mature fashion.
6) Explain to you that as of that time, I found your reaction to be worse than loyals baiting. I told you that you made yourself far to easy of a target, and that you were letting such minor comments bother you in a way I could never have imagined. In short you were being amazingly paranoid.

I thought loyal's e-mail was totally uncalled for, yes, but Eagle is right in that I still think you are rather paranoid. You think that all of us, as moderators and administrators, are purposefully trying to conspire against you. That is so far from the truth. I also don't think loyal baited you on the forums, or at least not in many circumstances you had addressed to me. Like I said, I responded so coldly because I felt like you were nagging. I shouldn't have been so cold, like I said, but I still feel I was right.

In the end, I think you're generally overreacting and being paranoid. I think if we can all cool down, not just you but also others who got heated, we can hopefully get things resolved.

I definately personally apologize for any circumstances that you felt like I shafted you to the side. I'll try and be more patient as a moderator. Thanks.

PEACE, Mike

No Mav, he says he thought he got it from the Oscar night AIM conversation. Remember when everyone was emailing everyone to come talk?

Regardless, if he is wrong, and didn't get the stupid email address from that AIM chat, we have no idea where he got it from.

Mav, Loyal did not send you a death threat here. He sent you a blank email saying can you believe I won best poster.

You understand that right?

You know what; i left this website for a period not because of Maverikk, but the way this website handled his our mutual dislike.

What I will say is Maverikk complained about me several times basically because i think hes unsavoury for the disgusting and massively offensive way he treated [and got away with unchecked] me like over a period of time.

Every thread we both posted in seemed to morph into a melee. There was even a rumour he sourced that i was not happy about; and i contacted someone over it. Next day i get a pm from a staff member asking me to "lay off" mav. I know exactly why; and no i hadn't done anything wrong - but i hadn't played my cards the way he had wished i would - so he got the website staff to warn me off. When i brought my feelings up with a member of staff, i basically got the brush off.

I didn't want to make a big drama out of it then [hell i even only posted a small goodbye in the Conversation thread when i left] ; and im not now by not exposing who im talking about or my full sentiments on the issue or the intracacies of it . Infact; i feel im being incredibly restrained in this post about what actually happened; my thoughts and feelings on all parties invovled and so forth [probobly because my memory is already getting murky and i dont want to say anything untrue]- but various other users who will remain unnamed also had pretty big issues with what was going on - although it was kept reasonably low key. Unlike this argument

At the time - i felt that KJ was a kind of multilayered command system - and certain people were able to worm their way into that system with popularity, contributions and stature - and even those who ruled the system had....affiliations. But i returned when i thought things were eased out and the command structure was back to the way it used to be. Recently ive grown to like the way the sites going again and support it like before.
Please dont prove me wrong guys.

As you can see by Michaels post Mav.

When it was you who was running around doing the baiting (baiting which we felt was overreacted to), the response that Michael met, was much the same as the response you are now met with.

And his response to us, was as yours is now.

And that should put the red light on to know that something is very seriously wrong in his head. That's not what the e-mail address it was sent to was, and he didn't just take a lucky guess, he searched for it. When called on it, he lied. He blamed AOL, because he was going to send a "peace offering", and doesn't know how that was sent. Is anybody seriously concerned about how he found that e-mail, or why he decided to send an e-mail when he was at the forum a PM away at the time he sent it? He should not even have knowledge of my e-mail address. I don't care if it said Happy Birthday.

You understand that, right? You get that the content isn't as bad as the searching for email addresses that belong to me?

Can we please end this now mav.

I fail to see anything that has or will be resolved via this thread.

No mav, I have no doubt someone could have casually mentioned it somewhere, and he found it. From my talks with Loyal, I have little doubt that he is not obbsessed with you. He has managed to stay out of your threads with relative ease, and has not even bothered to make an appearance in this thread.

Do you get Spam emil mav? Do you berate the sender as you are berating me now . Just block his email address and be done with it. If he goes around that, and continues to contact you via email, we will re-visit the situation. Something you would know, if you read my origional PM to you. But of course your reply to me, was:

in case people are wondering about someone's and somethings again, i'm more than willing to make things clear here.

Michael, I do not know the exact PM you received but i do trust the mod enough to have communicated to you exactly what was meant to be said. It wasn't to back off mav or anything as such. It wasn't even a warning as has been clearly made known even in the mod forum.

This is around the time when i was too sick of hearing people commenting about 2 people's personal friendship repeatedly. Maverikk and Libs. Frankly, it was no one else's businesses and people's comments do not help with such relationships. In a discussion in the mod forum as well, it was made clear by the person involved that such comments are best left out as its no one else's business.

The message to you was suppose to tell you to back away from making comments about 2 other people's friendships on this forum, much like a couple of people were asked to back off when Vincent and Lovemerox' friendships were remarked upon in questionable manners. These in no way were warnings, but requests that i do admit were structured more in the form of demands. I ofcourse still stand by that.

In case you're wondering why i had a mod do my bidding (and clearly, it was my sole decision to have that pm sent without anyone else's descretion, we can always take that to PM or MSN as its best left as a private conversation. It went a little beyond just any request sent to me by mav if you really must know.

Michael took a 3 week leave of absense because of what was done to him, and I'll be the first one to admit that I was shown favoritism over him. I also think that he needed to be told to stop, because telling him nice didn't work.

I'm done, Karl. I've said all I can really say, so there's no use in continuing on tomorrow. What's done is done, and tomorrow is another day.

You were not shown any favoritism over him mav. I have never, and will continue to try, never to show favoritism.

Good then lets end this madness.

I am closing this mess of a thread, as well as related threads. If you feel you need to voice something, PM me and I will re-open it. Otherwise, let us move on, and work toward regaining your broken trust.

If we have regained Michaels, surely we can regain yours.

eagle, me and the mods are not here to show any favoritism to anyone here. we try to do what is right, not what we think will keep a member happy or not what we think will effect the way they think about us. we let a few decisions go once in a while due to constant threats of just leaving the forum. since a few months ago, we've braved that and not let people get away with that either.

At the end of the day, this board belongs to eagle. but i haven't seen this person use and abuse it. he hasn't kept an open arm for his friends and a 'fuck you' attitude for those he doesn't like. the important thing to me is, even if eagle and i have completely disagreed on any matter, that his decision was based on what he thought was completely fair, and no other reason.