WoKJ Admin Election - Declare Intention to Run
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Jeff
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da torri wrote: Speevy, I don’t think the thread bumping is the big issue. If we hypothetically take away Goldie’s ability to post in his own threads, we’re left with his insufferable baiting, defensive attitude, and thread redundancy.
My feeling is...Goldie is clearly disrespectful when he incessantly duplicates threads that don’t interest people. Yes, people can ignore those threads, but it’s a nuisance. Additionally, Goldie violates an unwritten "social decency" code of conduct by obsessively monitoring his reputation and bullying those who criticize him. I realize that people are mean to Goldie (and m/b we could do something here), but someone in his position -- who has been given chance after chance -- should want to take the high road. People earn respect when they relate well with others. Petty bullying goes nowhere.
Given Goldie’s history, and how he was once lifetime-banned, I think Goldie needs to get his game straight pronto. We shouldn’t “baby” him by restricting his rights and then relinquishing them as we see intermittent good behavior. He understands what he's doing wrong and -- as a member of this social community -- needs to cooperate and make the appropriate adjustments.
Now, just to show you how the T&Z administration would work. I’d write this in the Mod forum. We’d discuss it. We’d then vote on possible outcomes. “We” being: me, Zingaling, currently active mods that Z and I decide to keep, a mod or two that we choose, and a mod or two that the public elects. 100% democratic vote. And, no, threads like these in "The Site" forum would never be deleted. As future President of KJ, I'd expect you to not use abbreviations when making official proclamations (ie m/b). It'd be the same as President Obama saying "OMG WTF Bin Laden is a T00L" on his Twitter (if he had one. Speaking of, you should "Follow" me... @JeffSchade). Anyway. In all seriousness I do agree. There is an unwritten social code. And being part of a forum people do develop odd "relationships" with each other. It is just the same as any other social setting (albeit online) and Goldie wouldn't last long in most situations because he purposely does things to irritate and annoy. When half of Cinemania is filled with "5/27 WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE??", "5/30 WERE THE CrItIcS RiGHT?!?" etc it violates that social code. I still browse Cinemania for info on upcoming movies and such and when the entire first page is filled with Goldie-crap, it gets annoying. It is nothing really "against forum rules" but it is against the grain and against social prowess. So in other words, I agree. And I'm still voting Toringaling.
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snack
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boy, you're some kind of stupid
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Speevy
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da torri wrote: Speevy, I don’t think the thread bumping is the big issue. If we hypothetically take away Goldie’s ability to post in his own threads, we’re left with his insufferable baiting, defensive attitude, and thread redundancy.
My feeling is...Goldie is clearly disrespectful when he incessantly duplicates threads that don’t interest people. Yes, people can ignore those threads, but it’s a nuisance. Additionally, Goldie violates an unwritten "social decency" code of conduct by obsessively monitoring his reputation and bullying those who criticize him. I realize that people are mean to Goldie (and maybe we could do something here), but someone in his position -- who has been given chance after chance -- should want to take the high road. People earn respect when they relate well with others. Petty bullying goes nowhere.
Given Goldie’s history, and how he was once lifetime-banned, I think Goldie needs to get his game straight pronto. We shouldn’t “baby” him by restricting his rights and then relinquishing them as we see intermittent good behavior. He understands what he's doing wrong and -- as a member of this social community -- needs to cooperate and make the appropriate adjustments.
Now, just to show you how the T&Z administration would work. I’d write this in the Mod forum. We’d discuss it. We’d then vote on possible outcomes. “We” being: me, Zingaling, currently active mods that Z and I decide to keep, a mod or two that we choose, and a mod or two that the public elects. 100% democratic vote. And, no, threads like these in "The Site" forum would never be deleted. I hear what you're saying, but the only problem is that Goldie isn't likely to mature any time soon. Based on some of his previous posts I would estimate him to be in his late 20's or 30's(if he's telling the truth), yet he continues to act like a 13 year old with his bullying, childish insults, and lack of any English skills whatsoever. And instead of hoping for the best from him some more radical steps need to be taken. I'm sure you might be able to think of better solutions, but I'm just going to throw some ideas around. I would approve of steps where you automatically lock threads in which Grill makes up more than 50% of the posts or threads of his that he bumps up despite the fact that no one else has really replied. Honestly, the Cinemania has become the shit hole of this whole forum. Afterall, if he received a lifetime banning from this forum before, then shouldn't more radical steps be taken to stop his spam?
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torrino
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Magnus, I'm the one running, but Zingy will carry as much weight as I do on "administrative" actions. We will pick two mods together, we will co-run elections for another two mods, we will write our rules together, etc.
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harry713
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Who the eff is Zingaling? 
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Korrgan
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harry713 wrote: Who the eff is Zingaling?  lol
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:20 pm |
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torrino
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Magnus wrote: I think taking any extreme action against Grill sets bad precedence. Is he annoying? Yes. But that isn't grounds for a ban. I'm not saying he should be banned... I'm just not cool with making exceptions to keep him aboard (I'm also not sure it's possible from a technical standpoint). Again, he's a grown man. He needs to show restraint. I'd be inclined to give him a talk and a probationary period. Expectations of what constitutes "good" and "bad" behavior will be made clear prior to the probationary period. After the period, my cabinet would evaluate his performance and decide whether he's at strike zero or is at strike two (in which case, yes -- one more infraction and he's out of here). Again, he was lifetime banned and has a history. This is a unique situation, so I don't think his banning would set any precedent. I want him to be able to cooperate, but if he can't do so under the pressure of a probationary period, I'm not sure he ever will. Though, as I said earlier, I'd have to talk this over with my mods. If they think there's another method, majority rules -- and that's what we'll do.
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Chippy
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If I become President, I'm banning Grill.
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Speevy
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Magnus wrote: Quote: Based on some of his previous posts I would estimate him to be in his late 20's or 30's(if he's telling the truth), yet he continues to act like a 13 year old with his bullying, childish insults, and lack of any English skills whatsoever That can be said about 50% of the posters on KJ. Yet none of them take it to the extreme that Grill does.
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Argos
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I would talk to Grill, try to make him understand that many people, if not most, do not appreciate his actions. If he appears to be unwilling to understand and internalize that, I would then have to assume that there can be no solution to the problem that evolves between him and his opponents and, therefore, clear the forum of his presence.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:43 pm |
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Grill
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Argos wrote: I would talk to Grill, try to make him understand that many people, if not most, do not appreciate his actions. If he appears to be unwilling to understand and internalize that, I would then have to assume that there can be no solution to the problem that evolves between him and his opponents and, therefore, clear the forum of his presence. so much to talk about here...will start off with 1 or 2....opponents! yup, just as I thought....how about all KJ, and not just a smalll group of people!!!!!! and you mention those 10, while I can mention 10 that regularly post in my threads plus others who go for updates. are you going to just be for the childish group of 10 or for all of KJ!
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:31 pm |
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Grill
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Speevy wrote: Magnus wrote: Quote: Based on some of his previous posts I would estimate him to be in his late 20's or 30's(if he's telling the truth), yet he continues to act like a 13 year old with his bullying, childish insults, and lack of any English skills whatsoever That can be said about 50% of the posters on KJ. Yet none of them take it to the extreme that Grill does. and this loser still can't give any good examples as he is partly making up stuff and partly talking about the older Grill and not the present one.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:32 pm |
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Grill
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Munksyuk wrote: If I become President, I'm banning Grill. really not worth the reply but ..... * first you are not running for President! * second, guess this would your only chance to beat me as you haven't for 2 years in the sports forum. * as ADM, unless you gave good reasons, don't think you could do this per forum rules & Eagle's past statements without cause. * PS. Please check out the def of ADM so you know what you are running for.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:36 pm |
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Grill
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Magnus wrote: Speevy wrote: Yet none of them take it to the extreme that Grill does. If you could provide some concrete examples, I may lean towards your side. But from what I've seen, Grill is just annoying (like a good amount of others on this forum), but not a menace (like Joe was who should have been banned IMO). In fact, speaking of Joe, I would ban him (though he may already be banned? Or he's just hiding?). why annoying, give examples and then I will get back to you! I get annoyed at some posters on this board but I don't cause a hissy fit like others here. PS. Another thing that I would do is break the Movie section into 2 sections - 1 for future gossip/movie maybes and 2 are questions & talk about present movies. As they are totally different, they shouldn't be mixed or forced into the same section.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:39 pm |
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Grill
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LOL, Torri, what am I doing wrong and I find it funny that you today you tried to set up a copy job thread of my RT weekend movies but wanted to talk about 2 movies today before it was close as a duplicate. Really funny. And by the way, if you like the format, why haven't I ever seen you post in any of my past RT threads. Very Interesting! da torri wrote: Speevy, I don’t think the thread bumping is the big issue. If we hypothetically take away Goldie’s ability to post in his own threads, we’re left with his insufferable baiting, defensive attitude, and thread redundancy.
My feeling is...Goldie is clearly disrespectful when he incessantly duplicates threads that don’t interest people. Yes, people can ignore those threads, but it’s a nuisance. Additionally, Goldie violates an unwritten "social decency" code of conduct by obsessively monitoring his reputation and bullying those who criticize him. I realize that people are mean to Goldie (and maybe we could do something here), but someone in his position -- who has been given chance after chance -- should want to take the high road. People earn respect when they relate well with others. Petty bullying goes nowhere.
Given Goldie’s history, and how he was once lifetime-banned, I think Goldie needs to get his game straight pronto. We shouldn’t “baby” him by restricting his rights and then relinquishing them as we see intermittent good behavior. He understands what he's doing wrong and -- as a member of this social community -- needs to cooperate and make the appropriate adjustments.
Now, just to show you how the T&Z administration would work. I’d write this in the Mod forum. We’d discuss it. We’d then vote on possible outcomes. “We” being: me, Zingaling, currently active mods that Z and I decide to keep, a mod or two that we choose, and a mod or two that the public elects. 100% democratic vote. And, no, threads like these in "The Site" forum would never be deleted.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:45 pm |
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zingy
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Grill, da torri's RT thread today isn't really biting your "format", it's how to make a good RT thread.
And how many times are you gonna ask people what you're doing wrong and to give examples? I even did give you an example back on pg. 4, to which you basically ignored ('cause, maybe, I'm right?). It's also pretty embarrassing that a potential administrator to WoKJ can't even respond to the justifications that other people give him. Tsk tsk, Grillz.
P.S.: I think you should make this your campaign theme song. Let me know what you think.
Smile for me daddy (What ya lookin at) Let me see ya grill (let you see my what) ya,ya grill ya ya ya grill (Rob da jewelry store and tell them make me a grill) she said, Smile for me daddy (What you lookin at uh) I wanna see your grill (You wanna see my what) Ya, ya grill ya, ya, ya grill (And da whole top diamond and da bottom row's gold)
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:21 pm |
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Grill
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Zingaling wrote: Grill, da torri's RT thread today isn't really biting your "format", it's how to make a good RT thread.
And how many times are you gonna ask people what you're doing wrong and to give examples? I even did give you an example back on pg. 4, to which you basically ignored ('cause, maybe, I'm right?). It's also pretty embarrassing that a potential administrator to WoKJ can't even respond to the justifications that other people give him. Tsk tsk, Grillz.
P.S.: I think you should make this your campaign theme song. Let me know what you think.
Smile for me daddy (What ya lookin at) Let me see ya grill (let you see my what) ya,ya grill ya ya ya grill (Rob da jewelry store and tell them make me a grill) she said, Smile for me daddy (What you lookin at uh) I wanna see your grill (You wanna see my what) Ya, ya grill ya, ya, ya grill (And da whole top diamond and da bottom row's gold) so Z you gave 1 bad example,wow, anyway, do we ban everyone for 1 bad thread. also, not a bad thread as I just saw that whoever posted it on BOM, has 10 comments from different posters. Just trying to give a fair view point! and Torri's and mine were the same, just the fools were allowed to come into mine and bash it.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:27 pm |
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torrino
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Grill wrote: do we ban everyone for 1 bad thread. More like a gazillion bad threads + a shitty attitude + history of harassing other members Grill wrote: also, not a bad thread as I just saw that whoever posted it on BOM, has 10 comments from different posters. Just trying to give a fair view point! This is WoKJ, not BOM. Learn to read signals at WoKJ...where posters have clearly told you by not posting in your threads that they do not give a shit about RT ratings when you post them. Additionally, they have written several threads in The Site complaining about these threads when you make them. Grill wrote: and Torri's and mine were the same, just the 10 fools were allowed to come into mine and bash it. Yet mine received a response. It probably has something to do with our posting styles. (Most) things I write make sense, yours are littered with asteriks and hyphens and caps and whatnot. They are horrible monstrosities. But I am not proposing we ban you because you failed grammar school. I just think you're incompatible on this forum and advise you to shape up like a man should -- otherwise, clearly the majority of WoKJers are not ready for the 25th century (as your signature goes).
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:37 pm |
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zingy
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More importantly, what do you think about the theme song, Grill?
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:46 pm |
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Eagle
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Magnus has been removed per his request. Also, please note there is no need to go into policy at this point, you will have plenty of time to discuss what you would and would not do as the process progresses. If anything, focus on a broad outline of how you would run the forum, as many of you have done.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:54 pm |
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Grill
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da torri wrote: Grill wrote: do we ban everyone for 1 bad thread. More like a gazillion bad threads + a shitty attitude + history of harassing other members Grill wrote: also, not a bad thread as I just saw that whoever posted it on BOM, has 10 comments from different posters. Just trying to give a fair view point! This is WoKJ, not BOM. Learn to read signals at WoKJ...where posters have clearly told you by not posting in your threads that they do not give a shit about RT ratings when you post them. Additionally, they have written several threads in The Site complaining about these threads when you make them. Grill wrote: and Torri's and mine were the same, just the 10 fools were allowed to come into mine and bash it. Yet mine received a response. It probably has something to do with our posting styles. (Most) things I write make sense, yours are littered with asteriks and hyphens and caps and whatnot. They are horrible monstrosities. But I am not proposing we ban you because you failed grammar school. I just think you're incompatible on this forum and advise you to shape up like a man should -- otherwise, clearly the majority of WoKJers are not ready for the 25th century (as your signature goes). * well list the threads loser, lets see which you say are bad... * wow, big deal as the same losers post in the site. Why don't you list all the names and we can see who they are and how many there are. Not as many as you would think. * lol, again, you are just talking again about the 10 losers, lets see how many others post in my threads or say nothing but view them!!!!! Again, more than you would think! * Lastly, Shame that you just keep on pointing out the viewpoints of the 10 losers on this board, instead of everyone. BAD ADM!!!!!
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Keyser Söze
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Wow. What happened to Magnus. I thought he had a good chance. I think da torri/Zing combo looks good. I like corpse as well.
Much as what everyone said makes sense, lets not make this thread into grill bash thread. Kind of defeats its purpose.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:16 pm |
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Grill
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shawman wrote: Wow. What happened to Magnus. I thought he had a good chance. I think da torri/Zing combo looks good. I like corpse as well.
Much as what everyone said makes sense, lets not make this thread into grill bash thread. Kind of defeats its purpose. Very true as I liked Magnus and Price. Also don't expect much from these guys as Grill bashing is pretty much all they can do. Anyway, here are some starter ideas for making this place better! * Grill is the one who fights for the rights of all the people, not just some of them! * hey ??????, either make a comment about the thread subject or stfu! > a grill platform > GRILL 'EM! * Seperate sections for Movie Gossip/Future Movies & Talk on Present Movies. Really no reason for them to be mixed.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:48 pm |
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Chippy
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If elected, I would fine tune the site. I have already planned out ways to limit pointless threads, have more excitement on the boards and hopefully bring new members to the stagnant forum.
Because as with every job, I will strive to be the best and listen to every single suggestion any member makes. I may not be able to make it all happen, but with a special task force of mods, most valid suggestions will be processed.
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Michael A
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Magnus wrote: After intense thought, I've decided to end my campaign. Please remove me from the ballot. NOOOO! Magnus, wtf, I demand some reasoning! Why did you drop out, you were one of the good ones! Now I only have 2 to chose from! Damn you, sir.
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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