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He made jokes about child molestation and rape. He obviously was quite sick in the head when he tweeted that crap, and why would he not delete it? Guardians of the Galaxy came out in 2014, he's had so much time. Quite sketchy, IMO.

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Because what would I search for if I wanted to delete old tweets from 10 years ago? I don't remember posts from 5 years ago. He could've done a Rian Johnson, but then he'd have dozens of articles questioning why he deleted thousands of old tweets.

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They were bad jokes. Jokes. Who gives a flying fuck?

And I say this as someone that isn’t a fan, he comes across as a total prick 90% of the time.

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The Gunn situation was a smear-job--he was targeted by an alt-right troll (Cernovich has said all manner of vile comments about rape/women/and more, by the way) solely to be an irritant. Cernovich wasn't motivated by morality or ethics or fear for the youngsters or simply being "offended" by Gunn's comments from years ago, so nobody pretend this is all for the sake of the children.

Also, why is it that people who make light of taboo subjects are "sick in the head" or "pedophiles" or whatever other baseless nonsense but people who make serious movies/shows/shorts/etc aren't accused of the same?

I mean, Gunn made lewd comments in the name of "humor" yet things like Hereditary, Emelie, Hostel, Human Centipede, and so much more rub your face in decapitated children, a chick changing her tampon in front of kids to fuck with them (among other things...), graphically cutting up people's bodies for entertainment value, sewing assholes to mouths and SO MUCH MORE yet all those people are given the thumbs up for further work and not even really questioned? If making inappropriate comments on the internet is unforgivably sick and termination-worthy then I'm a little lost as to why, again, things like what I've summarized are above board and not "sick in the head" or cause for alarm from the same people clutching their pearls about Gunn's comments.

The entire entertainment industry is full of taboo, inappropriate topics being explored so to simply target people based on political motivations and pretend otherwise is a crock of shit. Disney was a fool to react so strongly/quickly (to things Gunn already addressed years ago, by the way) and anyone duped into debating the merit of the lewd comments from years past has already fallen for Cernovich's con.


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Bravo! Bravo! Well fucking said.


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Disney shows to have no backbone and just expects real-life to be as fairytale-ish as their MCU.
With the Guardians cast as support I really hope Gunn gets his job back and Disney eats a shoe.

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No way Gunn gets his job back. Disney are thriving. Repealing a decision will make them look weak.


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The Gunn situation was a smear-job--he was targeted by an alt-right troll (Cernovich has said all manner of vile comments about rape/women/and more, by the way) solely to be an irritant. Cernovich wasn't motivated by morality or ethics or fear for the youngsters or simply being "offended" by Gunn's comments from years ago, so nobody pretend this is all for the sake of the children.

Also, why is it that people who make light of taboo subjects are "sick in the head" or "pedophiles" or whatever other baseless nonsense but people who make serious movies/shows/shorts/etc aren't accused of the same?

I mean, Gunn made lewd comments in the name of "humor" yet things like Hereditary, Emelie, Hostel, Human Centipede, and so much more rub your face in decapitated children, a chick changing her tampon in front of kids to fuck with them (among other things...), graphically cutting up people's bodies for entertainment value, sewing assholes to mouths and SO MUCH MORE yet all those people are given the thumbs up for further work and not even really questioned? If making inappropriate comments on the internet is unforgivably sick and termination-worthy then I'm a little lost as to why, again, things like what I've summarized are above board and not "sick in the head" or cause for alarm from the same people clutching their pearls about Gunn's comments.

The entire entertainment industry is full of taboo, inappropriate topics being explored so to simply target people based on political motivations and pretend otherwise is a crock of shit. Disney was a fool to react so strongly/quickly (to things Gunn already addressed years ago, by the way) and anyone duped into debating the merit of the lewd comments from years past has already fallen for Cernovich's con.


You make some decent points, but the elephant in the room to me is the odds Gunn has real pedo demons and is unsafe around children. Even if the most likely scenario is he's joking, Disney has to account for the worst case. They don't want to have a finished film and then have it blow up on them. That's the difference between Gunn and some horror directors or the example of Parker/Stone or Macfarlane I have seen mentioned on another forum who have had rape scenes. No one in their right mind thinks a horror director is more likely to be a murderer cause he makes a movie like Hostel, or Macfarlane is a rapist cause Quagmire or whatever.

I have seen liberals completely discount the chance of Gunn being a pedo, but why? Because he's kept quiet about his fixation if he has it since he got GOTG? Since the cast likes him? Maybe it's a subjective thing, but the tweets did not read as healthy to me. He appeared to take a lot of glee in talking about those subjects. There's a video going around of a mockumentary he made with Jenna Fischer talking about "breaking his daughter in". Even in parody, who says that? He was an associate of someone later caught to be a pedo in Huston Huddleston and facebook shared his video, for all we know that was the thing that caused Disney to pull the trigger or they might have looked into how they knew each other and have more information than we do.

If Gunn's thing was to joke about raping dogs and other animals, shared a video sexualizing animals from someone later convicted for beastiality, and RT'd whatever the beastiality version of NAMBLA is, would we say there's no chance of him having real life beastiality demons and that it was just shock comedy? Or would it be worrisome at best

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Nope, sorry--simply making jokes does not open you up to being a pedophile. That elephant you speak of is only in the rooms of people who can't separate humor from reality and are easy marks for people like Cernovich. Way to be a living embodiment of Helen Lovejoy screeching "Won't somebody please think of the children?!?!??"

Humans joke about all kinds of taboo things, daily and forever--what about comedians making light of abortion? Miscarriage? They must love dead babies--how they look/feel/smell (taste?) Why else would someone talk about them in a humorous fashion unless they're hiding something, yeah? How come the people who make torture porn aren't open to accusations of being murderers? If you ask me, then someone (Eli Roth, for example) choosing to spend years of life reveling in films where the only "plot" to speak of is graphically cutting the human body to pieces for fun sure seems just as suggestive something's not right upstairs. Why is it okay for him to make a kid's movie with The House with a Clock in its Walls? Aren't those children possibly maybe in danger of being cut-the-fuck-up?

Michael Ian Black jokes about shaking babies/shaking his very own baby in a recent stand-up special, so I guess we need to assume he is a danger to babies and his own child must be in mortal danger, right? And one could easily chock this "glee" you see as enjoying pushing people's buttons (someone who made troma films sure fits that description to me, well before simply assuming he's a fucking pedophile based on...your gut?).

"Well, he made lewd jokes years ago and has since stopped--but how can you ever REALLY be sure so let's just assume he's probably got pedophilia in there somewhere and both label/treat him as such just to be safe. For the children."

That seems like pure lunacy to me, but that's only because it is.


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I’d say if this was recent stuff it would make sense, but it makes no sense to fire him now ten years later. But it’s been done, and there’s not really a way to go back now.

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Because he's kept quiet about his fixation if he has it since he got GOTG?


A dozen Tweets out of 20,000 = "fixated".

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Nope, sorry--simply making jokes does not open you up to being a pedophile. That elephant you speak of is only in the rooms of people who can't separate humor from reality and are easy marks for people like Cernovich. Way to be a living embodiment of Helen Lovejoy screeching "Won't somebody please think of the children?!?!??"

Humans joke about all kinds of taboo things, daily and forever--what about comedians making light of abortion? Miscarriage? They must love dead babies--how they look/feel/smell (taste?) Why else would someone talk about them in a humorous fashion unless they're hiding something, yeah? How come the people who make torture porn aren't open to accusations of being murderers? If you ask me, then someone (Eli Roth, for example) choosing to spend years of life reveling in films where the only "plot" to speak of is graphically cutting the human body to pieces for fun sure seems just as suggestive something's not right upstairs. Why is it okay for him to make a kid's movie with The House with a Clock in its Walls? Aren't those children possibly maybe in danger of being cut-the-fuck-up?

Michael Ian Black jokes about shaking babies/shaking his very own baby in a recent stand-up special, so I guess we need to assume he is a danger to babies and his own child must be in mortal danger, right? And one could easily chock this "glee" you see as enjoying pushing people's buttons (someone who made troma films sure fits that description to me, well before simply assuming he's a fucking pedophile based on...your gut?).

"Well, he made lewd jokes years ago and has since stopped--but how can you ever REALLY be sure so let's just assume he's probably got pedophilia in there somewhere and both label/treat him as such just to be safe. For the children."

That seems like pure lunacy to me, but that's only because it is.


None of these people are James Gunn. There isn't a blanket response for each situation, they need to be judged in isolation. The content, tone, personalization, setting, etc. changes how they come off and is contributing to why this is being taken seriously by Disney and the right. Compared to something like "Norm Macdonald tells a rape joke" Gunn's jokes are more blurry between obviously having nothing to do with his beliefs, or the demented attempts at humor of a real pedo - the left's hypothesis is that's because it's he was a terrible comedian, but an alternate explanation could be that he's legit fucked. In my opinion it is foolish to ignore the possibility that Gunn could be disturbed after some of the content that's come out such as talking about raping babies and being the first one to anally penetrate his daughter. He is not a guaranteed pedo, but acting like there's no concern seems unfounded.

What's lunacy is people have Trump and Cernovich have the left losing their minds so much, that they have to bend over backwards to attempt to defend the right to make child and baby rape tweets and not face any blowback from the most well known kid's company in the world. Putting aside any of the rationalizing that have been written (Some fair points), Disney firing the baby rape tweeter is a perfectly logical move. Would it be weird if Toys R Us when it was back in business fired one of their store managers when they found out he used to make baby rape tweets? Of course not. This is a different discussion if people were pushing for Gunn to be blacklisted, but dude lost a gig for being a completely abhorrent shithead 10 years ago. He got what he deserved. If you don't want to face any employment consequences don't become the guy who who tweets about baby rape and makes videos saying you want to be the first to fuck your daughter in the ass

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Clutch those pearls, buddy.


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Nope, sorry--simply making jokes does not open you up to being a pedophile. That elephant you speak of is only in the rooms of people who can't separate humor from reality and are easy marks for people like Cernovich. Way to be a living embodiment of Helen Lovejoy screeching "Won't somebody please think of the children?!?!??"

Humans joke about all kinds of taboo things, daily and forever--what about comedians making light of abortion? Miscarriage? They must love dead babies--how they look/feel/smell (taste?) Why else would someone talk about them in a humorous fashion unless they're hiding something, yeah? How come the people who make torture porn aren't open to accusations of being murderers? If you ask me, then someone (Eli Roth, for example) choosing to spend years of life reveling in films where the only "plot" to speak of is graphically cutting the human body to pieces for fun sure seems just as suggestive something's not right upstairs. Why is it okay for him to make a kid's movie with The House with a Clock in its Walls? Aren't those children possibly maybe in danger of being cut-the-fuck-up?

Michael Ian Black jokes about shaking babies/shaking his very own baby in a recent stand-up special, so I guess we need to assume he is a danger to babies and his own child must be in mortal danger, right? And one could easily chock this "glee" you see as enjoying pushing people's buttons (someone who made troma films sure fits that description to me, well before simply assuming he's a fucking pedophile based on...your gut?).

"Well, he made lewd jokes years ago and has since stopped--but how can you ever REALLY be sure so let's just assume he's probably got pedophilia in there somewhere and both label/treat him as such just to be safe. For the children."

That seems like pure lunacy to me, but that's only because it is.


None of these people are James Gunn. There isn't a blanket response for each situation, they need to be judged in isolation. The content, tone, personalization, setting, etc. changes how they come off and is contributing to why this is being taken seriously by Disney and the right. Compared to something like "Norm Macdonald tells a rape joke" Gunn's jokes are more blurry between obviously having nothing to do with his beliefs, or the demented attempts at humor of a real pedo - the left's hypothesis is that's because it's he was a terrible comedian, but an alternate explanation could be that he's legit fucked. In my opinion it is foolish to ignore the possibility that Gunn could be disturbed after some of the content that's come out such as talking about raping babies and being the first one to anally penetrate his daughter. He is not a guaranteed pedo, but acting like there's no concern seems unfounded.

What's lunacy is people have Trump and Cernovich have the left losing their minds so much, that they have to bend over backwards to attempt to defend the right to make child and baby rape tweets and not face any blowback from the most well known kid's company in the world. Putting aside any of the rationalizing that have been written (Some fair points), Disney firing the baby rape tweeter is a perfectly logical move. Would it be weird if Toys R Us when it was back in business fired one of their store managers when they found out he used to make baby rape tweets? Of course not. This is a different discussion if people were pushing for Gunn to be blacklisted, but dude lost a gig for being a completely abhorrent shithead 10 years ago. He got what he deserved. If you don't want to face any employment consequences don't become the guy who who tweets about baby rape and makes videos saying you want to be the first to fuck your daughter in the ass


Where was the disgust six years ago when Disney hired Gunn?

Where was the disgust when Gunn had to apologize six years ago?

And that bolded comparison would be apt comparison if that Toys R Us manager had a prior ten year history of making fucked up films for Troma, almost like it was his “thing” that everyone (who cared to notice...like Disney) knew about him.

Disney should’ve done nothing. It would’ve blown over. Instead, Disney’s going to look dumb when they rehire him.

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If you're a real paedo, you keep it a secret. You don't draw attention to yourself on Twitter. So clearly they were just jokes. Dark jokes, but jokes nonetheless. Disney panicked and fired him. People are constantly banging on about accepting people of all types until it comes to something they find hard to swallow, then it's a different kettle of fish and people revert back to the close-minded cunts they were designed to be. We're forced to believe that not every Muslim is a terrorist, not every black guy is gonna' bust a cap in yo' ass, and not every German is a neo-nazi. But if someone tells a paedophile joke, lock them up and throw away the key. They're sick and hiding it!


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Well, I think if any of those groups joked about doing any of those things, it would be a similar situation.

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Nah, America pussyfoots around black people and minorities. But James Gunn is white and middle-class and rich, so he's an easy target in this new society. You're not allowed to slip up, and if you do it's social castration.


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Where was the disgust six years ago when Disney hired Gunn?

Where was the disgust when Gunn had to apologize six years ago?

And that bolded comparison would be apt comparison if that Toys R Us manager had a prior ten year history of making fucked up films for Troma, almost like it was his “thing” that everyone (who cared to notice...like Disney) knew about him.

Disney should’ve done nothing. It would’ve blown over. Instead, Disney’s going to look dumb when they rehire him.


It sounds like the idea Gunn already apologized for this 6 years ago has been slightly misreported. His apology was for a blog article about which superheroes he would want to have sex with https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... aws-395184

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It is funny that now comics are cool, the real comic fans have to act all decent. Back 20 years ago when only nerds read comics, fantasizing over which superhero you'd want to have sex with was a daily occurrence. You couldn't find a secondhand comic that didn't have its page stuck together.


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The "right" loves to get upset about jokes, but don't give a shit about actual pedophilia.

In fact, they'd much rather focus on fabricated child trafficking (pizzagate), and even INCLUDED TWEETS ABOUT PIZZA in "taking down" Gunn.

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The "right" loves to get upset about jokes, but don't give a shit about actual pedophilia.

In fact, they'd much rather focus on fabricated child trafficking (pizzagate), and even INCLUDED TWEETS ABOUT PIZZA in "taking down" Gunn.



Exactly, many on the right defended an actually pedophile in Roy Moore and many voted for him. There is no evidence that Gunn is a pedophile. Family Guy has made those jokes before and do you think Seth Macfarlane is a pedophile?


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The President of the United States has said, on multiple occasions, that he'd date his own daughter if he weren't her dad. That seems a lot goddamned worse than Gunn's jokes.

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Really? Dating your daughter is worse than "breaking her in"??


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Really? Dating your daughter is worse than "breaking her in"??


Yes, if you have a daughter and describe them as "a piece of ass" and say that you would date them...that's worse than a childless dude making jokes on the internet.

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Really? Dating your daughter is worse than "breaking her in"??


Yes, if you have a daughter and describe them as "a piece of ass" and say that you would date them...that's worse than a childless dude making jokes on the internet.


Let's also not forget how he pointed out a random 10year old girl at a mall to remark he'd be dating her in ten years time. Commenting on your own daughter's level of sex appeal as well as seeing something fuckable in a 10year old doesn't hit minimum "sick in the head" level for Republicans, I guess. Not at all shocking from the same party that supported Roy Moore all the way.


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