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Algren
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 Hero, what is it actually like?
My friend at work is really into her martial arts movies, she likes really tacky martial arts though, aswell as good stuff, but mainly rubbish......and she says that Hero is crap!! Her reason for this was because when people die they get back up and are alive still.
Is that true? is it crap? what is it like?
I expect Hero to be good, but im skecptical to watch it now, because she says its crap. Other than that though, ive heard really positive stuff about it.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:26 am |
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teenman
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Probably the reason why she said it's crap is because of exploitive marketing ads that tend to feed audiences possibilities that action is HERO's main genre than others. However, i thought it's so-so but overrated or too praisely acclaimed. The logic theme of the plot is three alternative stories effected by matrix-esque movie in each story coming from Jet Li's mouth. Unfortunately, the plot is too boring to care enough about characters and all but forgettable. But the plot is worth a watch if you definitely like it. From what I've heard, the king's history is not accurate. Maybe it is. Kung-fu, music, screen, and flying effects were average; but they were cheesy and shouldn't be a little bit similar to CTHD and MATRIX. Cinematography was good. That's it
If I were you, I'd rather go to the Asian store and rent a director's cut version than the British store that doesn't include more minutes of extra scenes never shown in Asian versions. Otherwise, check on internet to inspect dvds. Then go to the Asian store and rent director's cut, even though I only rented a standard Asian version. In other words, I recommend you not to buy any versions of HERO.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:54 am |
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Michael.
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One word.
Bullshit.
My friend Dawn said the same thing, she hated it - but she hates all movies of the genre.
Hero is one of the finest pictures ive ever seen [ and ive already seen it 4 times] not only is it the most visually awe inspiring thing ive possibly ever seen; but its action and drama is amazing.
But - its not got the pacing or emotion of Crouching Tiger.
Its still an A wheras Crouching Tiger is one of the [very] few movies that gets my A+ grading
http://naturalflux7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1177 for my fuller thoughts
The scene with the leaves is probobly going to be the stuff of cinematic legend.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:07 pm |
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publicenemy#1
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I loved Hero. Go check it out Algren and see if you like it for yourself. If you get a chance to see House of Flying Daggers, go see that too. :wink:
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:24 pm |
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zingy
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Algren, if you didn't like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (obviously not, based on your grade in Your Take), I won't guarantee you'll like this. Visually, it's spectacular, but it's got no substance.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:46 pm |
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dolcevita
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I hated Hero. The movie got the lowest grade of any I saw last year. Here is the official review if you are actually interested in what I though.
http://www.worldofkj.com/Galia-Hero.php
I'm not a martial arts fangirl, so I don't love something just cause its got some choreographed fight. I do have several I've really liked and they range from the campy to the dramatic. I liked Bride with White Hair, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and The Heroic Trio, so I don't know if those three give some sort of idea of my tastes as this goes. Don't see it, if you're going to see a Yimou, see House of Flying Daggers, but honestly, if you're already going to be watching a Zimou, watch one of his good movies, like Shanghai Triad (Its mafioso, you might like it) To Live, Raise the Red Lantern, or Ju Dou.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:48 pm |
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The trialer showed here in the states gave away a major plot point of Hero, which took away the impact of the ending. I think Jet Li is very woodena nd interesting in the movie. It is beautiful shot and when Maggie Cheung and Tony Leung are on screen its great, but when its on Li the movie is very meh.
It is a decent movie.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:53 pm |
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Heinrich Himmler
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its probably last years greatest movie, i give it an A.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:55 pm |
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Algren
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Thanks guys....well, i want to see House of Flying Daggers too.
I didnt like CTHD, but that was mainly because of the flying in the tree's and the shock of it being in subtitles....but i know Hero will be in subtitles and i know its more truer to life than CTHD, so i may enjoy it.
Great review dolce 
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:24 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Hero is decent, but nothing spectacular. Visually, it's excellent. But, unless you see this movie just for the visuals, it's nothing great. I gave it a C+. Average.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:45 pm |
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Snrub
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It's a terrific film, hampered by the outright Nazi message the film gives at the end.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:52 pm |
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dolcevita
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Snrub wrote: It's a terrific film, hampered by the somewhat fascist message the film gives at the end.
Somewhat fascist? :-s
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:40 pm |
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Snrub
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dolcevita wrote: Snrub wrote: It's a terrific film, hampered by the somewhat fascist message the film gives at the end. Somewhat fascist? :-s
Hey, that's not what I said at all!
Go back and re-read what I said, then apologise.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:13 pm |
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Algren
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Snrub wrote: dolcevita wrote: Snrub wrote: It's a terrific film, hampered by the somewhat fascist message the film gives at the end. Somewhat fascist? :-s Hey, that's not what I said at all! Go back and re-read what I said, then apologise.
 hahaha.
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Groucho
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Hero is one of the best looking films I have seen in a long time. I liked the way the story was told in three different ways -- just when you think you know what's going on, someone says "Well, it really happened this way..." Each version is told in a different color scheme too, which adds a lot to the beauty of the film...
I agree that it's not as good as Crowded Tiger, but I still thought it was great. It's on IMDB's top 200, so someone likes it! But I agree that if you don't like these kinds of films, this won't change your mind. It's not a Jackie Chan film; it has a definite Chinese feel to it, and it doesn't have one of those "good guy defeats the bad guy" American endings.
Hope I didn't give too much away.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:55 pm |
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Algren
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Sounds really good from where i'm sitting. I'll watch it maybe tomorrow....  cheers
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:00 pm |
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Michael.
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You know i really dont understand why people justify a film not being great just because it rides on visual spectacle.
To be 100% honest - this is probobly the most visually accomplished film ive ever witnessed. Why the hell shouldnt i love it for taking my breath away with every, perfectly thought out frame?
Its rife with symbolism and such things attached to colours.
It seems that people dont want colours, settings, visuals and actions to tell the story, but would rather have some flimsy dialogue and drama.
But i was perfectly happy to sacrifice some substance for the overwhelming stunning style.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:51 pm |
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dolcevita
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Michael wrote: You know i really dont understand why people justify a film not being great just because it rides on visual spectacle.
I don't. I just thought its visuals were pretty weak too. :wink:
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:55 pm |
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Michael.
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dolcevita wrote: Michael wrote: You know i really dont understand why people justify a film not being great just because it rides on visual spectacle.
I don't. I just thought its visuals were pretty weak too. :wink:
What was weak about it exactly?
A sea of autumn leaves dancing around two mysterious women as they glide through the air, set off by a background that is a forest of yellow and mahogany. Thats one of the most vivid images i think ive ever seen in film.
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Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:01 am |
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dolcevita
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Michael wrote: I don't. I just thought its visuals were pretty weak too. :wink:
What was weak about it exactly? A sea of autumn leaves dancing around two mysterious women as they glide through the air, set off by a background that is a forest of yellow and mahogany. Thats one of the most vivid images i think ive ever seen in film.[/quote]
Read my review. The entire effect of swirling leaves and random falling drapery just felt like a really kitschy car commercial. But not with the campy aspect or anything...it was taking it self seriously, which just made it doubly funny that Mazda was already shooting the same scenes in the early 90s. :razz:
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Mister Ecks
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Michael wrote: dolcevita wrote: Michael wrote: You know i really dont understand why people justify a film not being great just because it rides on visual spectacle.
I don't. I just thought its visuals were pretty weak too. :wink: What was weak about it exactly? A sea of autumn leaves dancing around two mysterious women as they glide through the air, set off by a background that is a forest of yellow and mahogany. Thats one of the most vivid images i think ive ever seen in film.
Your description was better than the visual itself. :wink:
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Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:14 am |
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Michael.
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i give up. Suffice to say i have watched that scene alone a good 8 times now.
Since my opinon is of course the only one that is valid/true i just hope that the "common sense" stick will whack you HaTeRz on the head a few times.
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Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:23 am |
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dolcevita
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I know I'm the only one who found it so bad. RT gave it 97% approval, however...that just means 97% of critics have no idea what they are talkin' about. :wink:
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Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:38 am |
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Ripper
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dolcevita wrote: I know I'm the only one who found it so bad. RT gave it 97% approval, however...that just means 97% of critics have no idea what they are talkin' about. :wink:
My love of Maggie Cheung and Tony Leung, and enjoying their parst allowed me to find the film decent.
Jet Li was so wooden and everytime he appeared on screen with the emperor, I felt he life of ht eiflm sucked out, which of course gave litle point to the vignettes we saw with Cheung and Leung, but at least those actors brought emotiona nd life to their characters.
The overall story driving the film though was anti-climatic (as the US trialer gave it away), and dull and lifeless.
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Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:57 am |
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Bell
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Algren wrote: Thanks guys....well, i want to see House of Flying Daggers too. I didnt like CTHD, but that was mainly because of the flying in the tree's and the shock of it being in subtitles....but i know Hero will be in subtitles and i know its more truer to life than CTHD, so i may enjoy it. Great review dolce 
HOFD is really reccomended by me, Algren. trust me. :wink:
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