For me, 7 wins.

Is it better because of the Cast or what???

BKB, how old was the girl? Se7en is getting quite old (a decade).

Oh Man.. Speculating, I'd say she was probably 18 or 19 at best..

well i dont know, i havent seen Saw yet

I'm going to get flamed for this....

I don't think someone her age has had enough exposure to know which of those two films were better. She may have been 8 when Se7en was released. Granted, she could have seen it on video or whatnot, and I'm sure there are some teenagers who manage to see a lot of films in their space time when not in school.

There will be some teenagers who will say Cursed is the best werewolf film ever made. Those of us who are wiser or older, know the real deal.

At a certain point IMO, younger people tend to like newer things and not necessarily what's better and perhaps not as new.

Seven.

Saw was probably my least favourite film of last year. It's awful on so many levels...

SAW is very very good movie...but there are too many questions for me...I gave it an 'A' because i enjoyed it so much and still do, but Se7en probably wins, because of the amaaing acting involved and the story is better...

Jigsaw's creative "games", the awesome twist at the end, and Danny Glover are the things that made Saw great.

Se7en had not one, but three great actors (plus R. Lee Ermey, who, despite not having a major role, gets points just for being who he is). The deaths were not as creative as Saw's, but they were still very interesting. Likewise, the twist at the end was not as surprising as Saw's, but still very shocking.

Even though I'm still a teenager and may not have as much "exposure", I believe Se7en is the better movie.

Se7en beats Saw by a hair.

Se7en. Not only because I like it more (Story actor).
It was also in a way groundbreaking because it brought a bit the "Film Noir Feeling" back to a wider audience.

Alright, I'll probably get bashed for saying this, but I think Saw (8/10 or B+) is way better then Se7en (5/10 or C-). Yes, I was quite young when Se7en came out, but I just saw it last year, so you can't say "he was young when he saw it" :wink: I do think Se7en was well made, but I just found it boring and predictible, whereas Saw was interesting and I didn't guess who the killer was, and I was entertained the whole way through. So I'm definetely saying that Saw is miles better then Se7en, but both are well made films.

the Acting in 7 was 1 billion time better than saw. But Saw had a much better ending. But in terms of overall story line they are pretty much equal.

bkb.

apples and oranges.

saw had a great premise but not the best acting in the world. on the whole, one can say 7 is a better movie. but personally, i thought the concept of Saw was great. A worthy original screenplay. Give it a chance and no need comparing it to Seven. Cause it was never its intention to be compared to it.

Heres my review of Saw

http://worldofkj.com/bABA-Saw.php

It was down to either watching ‘The Grudge’ or ‘Saw’. A big part of me kept nagging that ‘Saw’ will be the better movie and another big part of me (my stomach) kept reminding me how weak it was feeling. After following the previews for this movie for a while, my stomach’s concerns seemed extremely valid but I’m not known for treating my body too fairly to begin with. So I took the risk and armed with a trusty plastic bag for those scenarios best left unmentioned, I walk into the theatre to watch ‘Saw’, as I heard my stomach pass rude statements that I’m sure were worthy of an R rating.

But thankfully, this is one occasion where I was happy for the misleading advertising. Though extremely twisted, the movie refrained from introducing us to grotesque moments and my head could finally focus on what was on screen, and not what it was trying its best to digest. I was also, pleasantly surprised and extremely pleased. I had spent the past 2 months exercising my freedom of speech, voicing out my complete disrespect for Hollywood for dishing out half eaten table scraps during Halloween season, year after year of terrible offerings. Finally, ‘Saw’ came along and changed all that for me.

Made for a miniscule budget, Saw tells the story about a sick and twisted man who puts his victims in some heinous life and death situations. The man, nicknamed Jigsaw by the police, places people in various number of traps that will eventually kill them unless they do not perform some unthinkable act. It is his way of teaching people appreciation for life, who otherwise would not have thought about it twice.

I can tell you all straight up that this movie, is in no way scary at all. There is not a moment where I feel scared, disgusted, and grossed out or even remotely uncomfortable, until of course, I leave the theatre and reflect on what I had just witnessed as a whole. ‘Saw’ scores points because after a period of watching remakes of old horror movies or movies that are classified under inspired (lets be honest, they’re complete rip offs), here was something which was completely fresh. Not since ‘Silence of the Lambs’ was I completely intrigued by the premise and where it might lead to. And more importantly, even though there is nothing ‘horror’ about it, the premise is extremely messed up, which is a good thing. It has a balanced number of twists and turns, nothing too over the top except those that can be easily excused, and an incredible ending, even if one deems it a bit too far fetched. The movie is sometimes told in the form of flashbacks. It became a little bit confusing due to the multiple characters who present their own back story in this way but on the whole, it is not all that difficult to follow. On the whole, there is nothing groundbreaking about the structure or content of the movie at all, but I believe everything is just well done.

One of the weaker aspects of this movie though, is its complete reliance of providing the audience with information, not made public before. Though it was presented well in a story telling way, it happens on numerous occasions and towards the end, one feels that they’re being taken on a ride. Even still, it was one of the few weak moments and according to me, easily excusable when looking at the final product.

I believe I am one of the few people who are actually impressed by the acting, especially of our 2 central characters, battling to save their life. Leigh Whannell, the screenwriter for ‘Saw’ also portrays the character of Adam and along with Cary Elwes, who plays Dr Gordon, tells the story of two strangers, brought together due to the ‘Jigsaw’ and has no more than a few hours to save not only themselves, but each other. What was great about watching these 2 characters is how they’re developed from the beginning to the end. While Adam is made to behave like a typical twenty five year old kid, freaked out upon realizing his predicament at the start, his letting out of his frustration allows him to calm down as the movie progresses and make more mature decisions as time passes. By the end of the movie, he plays the saner of our two leads, initially the job of Dr Gordon who tries to take control of the situation from the very beginning. In his quest to remain sane, he takes upon added stress. As the movie moves along, you can physically see the deterioration in him and like a concerned father, husband and doctor, he tries to keep his head in gear and make some intelligent plans on improving their situation, till by the end, he completely breaks down when he cannot handle the pressure anymore. It is great to see the reversal of characters between the two leads in general.

I will say this though. The last 15 minutes of the movie will provide you with a lot of unintentional laughs. Characterized by some terrible dialogues, I found myself laughing when I should be feeling pity or horror Adam’s and Dr. Gordon’s predicament. All is forgiven though, after the final twist in the tale is revealed, which even though a bit unbelievable, was still a good way of ending a great tale.

Conclusion


The movie does come with its faults and is definitely not the best thing I’ve seen all year. But it is a pleasant change from the cliché horrors that we’ve been presented with in theatres for the past 2 years and will be talked about for some time.


My grade: B+

Yes, the acting in Saw was pretty bad for the most part, but thats to be expected. It was an independent film, they were on a budget and didn't have much time to shoot it. If you messed up on a take, you had few chances to get it right.

Honestly baba, if Seven had never been made do you really think Saw would exist today? Serial killer films have been ripping off Silence of the Lambs and Seven for years now, but none to date have done it more blatantly than Saw.

Se7en beats Saw by an afro.

There is alot of truth in your statement. Its very hard to compare another person's movie experience 10 years ago to another generation of people. I guess for each generation certain movies appeal to them like for those in their late 20s to mid 30s will say that Indiana Jones, Superman, Ghostbusters etc are the greatest popcorn flicks they have experienced because as a child we were alot more impressionable back then. But for someone in their 70s, they may say Wizard of Oz or Gone with the Wind something like that

I loved both Se7en and Saw, its a tough choice choosing between one of another but Se7en will make the most impression even 10 years from now.

BTW, Company of the Wolves is the best Werewolf movie there ever was :wink:

One more question. Why do you think that the acting was bad in SAW? I still dont see it. With the exception of the cigarette fake death scene, it was intentional because he was trying to fake his death but came off bad, its intentional, there was nothing that was bad in SAW. I dont see where all the criticism for Cary Elwes comes from since hes one of the best character actors out there. Just look at Princess Bride and the hilarious Men in Tights

Se7en by far!!!! I liked saw, but its nowhere near close to the brillance of se7en

SE7EN Better cast, acting, directing, everything...

True. But just because a movie started something doesn't mean all movies coming after it ARE asking to be compared to it. Its us who do it (understandably). I mean its honestly like saying any fashionable movie now IS trying to compare itself to Ocean's 11, any superhero movie IS trying to compare itself to Superman ...

none of them want to be compared ....

YES!! YES!! YES!!

i thought the 2 dudes were excellent in their acting. I actually thought their acting was pretty freaking good, specially the dude that wrote the screenplay (is that Cary Elwes?). Cept ofcourse till the end.