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I would start by waiting. A while. You can't just keep hitting the reset button every few years.

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"Superman Returns" was great. There is a name for people who didn't like it: soulless cretins. Either give us another Bryan Singer/Brandon Routh movie, or let the franchise ride off into the sunset, but don't give us an atrocious reboot like Louis Letterier's disgraceful "Incredible Hulk".

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Lots and lots of explosions and booby shots


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"Superman Returns" was great. There is a name for people who didn't like it: soulless cretins. Either give us another Bryan Singer/Brandon Routh movie, or let the franchise ride off into the sunset, but don't give us an atrocious reboot like Louis Letterier's disgraceful "Incredible Hulk".


Where did that madness originate from?

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Nazgul u are in a minority. SR got mediocre WOM and that is why sequel is not being greenlighted. Routh has been an excuse for a SH. Wooden acting and just mimicking CR. I doubt WB will want BR back as superman.

I am hoping they dont go with BS again. He had his chance and failed. They need new team and direction. Superman should be more of a bad ass as well. He was really boring in SR. Plus Lux should have only a minor role and please kill the illegitimate child angle. That was pathetic.

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Where did that madness originate from?

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SR had heaps of emotions, something that TDK was sorely lacking.

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There are folks who consider even Meet the Spartans as a classic.

BR had wooden face throughout SR. if that is emotion. :funny:

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Bale as Wayne was pretty bland.

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SUPERMAN

Story: 1st Draft of J.J. Abrams Superman script-viewable here:

http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/Superman(JJAbrams).pdf

with a few minor changes:

1. Different Luthor. Still CI.A., but not krypton. Rather, keep the whole fake ufo in arizone scene except no lois made it; turns out the ships REAL and the government obv tells them its fake. With the ufo in his possession, the aliens would indrectly come to Luthor.

2. Deaths of Jor-el and Lara on Krypton as it explodes, loss of this prophecy/Jor-el and Kata zor fought crown. I would make Kata Zor just an intergalactic BOSS who invades and takes over planets to keep the war on krypton angle. I would give Jor-el a helper, whose not from Krypton, whose the one who flees to the Desserts of another planet but gets captured/executed. Jor-el sends kal-el away the eradicator technology capible of reviving life (which supes would use when he "dies" to save lois at the end of the 2nd act.

3. More climactic fight and final showdown between supes and tyzor within a city.

4. Inclusion of the fortress of solitude

Director: J.J. Abrams

Casting (top 3 for every role, as chances of getting #1 not likely):

Superman:
1. Matt Damon
2. Josh Duhamel
3. Ryan Reynolds (give him a chance)

Lois Lane
1. Reese Witherspoon
2. Rachel McAdams
3. Zooey Deschanel

Lex Luthor (with hair...for now):
1. Leonardo DiCaprio
2. Daniel Day Lewis
3. Billy Zane

Jor-el:
1. Russel Crowe
2. Hugh Jackman
3. William Hurt

Ty-Zor:
1. Joaquin Phoenix
2. Edward Norton
3. Random unknown to become the character

Olsen:
1. Michael Cera
2. Eric Christen Olsen
3. Some random kid

Note: any of the Luthor actors and Tyzor actors could play either role.

Release Date: 3rd weekend of May

Mix it all together and you get INDEPENDENCE DAY meets SPIDERMAN meets STAR WARS

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We've seen one version of supes begining. Krypton could be a lot better and more interesting/exciting than donner did it, and seriously, smallville in stm didnt cover a whole lot. He jumps from baby to high school graduate.

Plus, thats movies old and dated, it needs to be done again on the big screen.

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I'm with Alpa Chino, whoever he is (i'd ban name changes!), if there was going to be a restart, i'd be all for showing his beginnings again. More often than not that's the most interesting aspect of a superhero's story, at least from my point of view.

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I'm with Alpa Chino, whoever he is (i'd ban name changes!), if there was going to be a restart, i'd be all for showing his beginnings again. More often than not that's the most interesting aspect of a superhero's story, at least from my point of view.


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Make it good I guess. :unsure:

For starters, don't reboot it. Enough with the reboots. Supes' beginnings are interesting the first or even second time. I don't to see it restarted yet again.

Dump the following people:

Routh, Singer, and whomever played Supes Jr.

Tie Supes into the larger mythology of DC. Yeah, I'm talking cross-overs.

Maybe include action and big-scale SFX this time. A shuttle crash and Kryptonite Isle isn't enough.

Have Lex either

Running for president or in prison. I do not want to see him as the main villain.

That's it really. I think the problem with the last Supes and the previous attempts to restart the franchise is that people are getting too ambitious with it. Even if you look at Iron Man and the last two Bat films, they're pretty standard on paper. Their creative teams we'ren't trying to reinvent the wheel. They simply wanted to tell interesting stories.


Don't dump Routh, recast Lois, keep the music, and possibly hint (or go all out) at Lexicorp. After that I pretty much agree with everything Loyal said (minus the fact that I love Superman Returns) which is pretty much equal to a direct sequel.

Actually I think the only thing that's holding a sequel up (besides mixed WOM which can easily be won back by including more action) is what to do with the love triangle and the kid. You can't just flat out ignore it and you can't just put it on the backburner. And you also can't kill James Marsden's unless it looks like Superman had something to do with it. I know we can't have another plane accident or a helicopter accident, but you'd have to have a situation where his character would be in danger and Supes couldn't save him in time (which would be a hard sell).

Or they could go the Death of Superman route, but I'm not so sure about that. I agree with Loyal that they don't have to invent the wheel in order to make Superman really click with audiences. Then again, I could see how a possible storyline here could get rid of Richard and use the kid in an effective way (anything but making him Superboy would be effective). If they could make it a little less corny, maybe it could work.

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As for a possible reboot with Krypton and Ma/Pa Kent again, I wouldn't mind it as long as they keep it under 40 minutes. That's not a knock at Superman: The Movie which did it as properly as they could've without having the film be three hours long (Actually I'm thinking of the longer version. The theatrical has the stuff on Krypton even shorter). Maybe they could do something unique on Krypton, briefly show Ma/Pa Ken and then use flashbacks of them throughout the film? That's the only way I could see it working, not unless you want an hour of film devoted to Supes origins again.

In short: I don't care what they do as long as they keep Williams' theme. It just wouldn't be a Superman movie without that theme. As much as I like Danny Elfman's theme, Batman Begins got away without using his theme simply because people don't associate Batman with that theme in the same way people do with Williams' theme. When you think of Superman you think of Christopher Reeve and that theme immediately pops into your head. They need to keep it.

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The idea of watching a new Superman origin story is so boring that I could decompose just thinking about it.

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now, SR may have actually been a good film compared to the disgusting Batman & Robin, but to have a really successful reboot, they'd either need to make it incredibly different from all the other films in appearance or wait another five or six years in order to show that this is not a part of the Superman franchise they saw with the last film.

but yeah, a reboot sounds like a very smart plan. The only problem is, a 30-minute planet Krypton opening simply won't do with today's moviegoing audience. In fact, I think there's a lot about Superman the character that they'll have to change up, regarding his origin, life, powers... you can't really tell it the way they first told the story; it'll need to be a darker, more action-packed story than that.

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but yeah, a reboot sounds like a very smart plan. The only problem is, a 30-minute planet Krypton opening simply won't do with today's moviegoing audience. In fact, I think there's a lot about Superman the character that they'll have to change up, regarding his origin, life, powers... you can't really tell it the way they first told the story; it'll need to be a darker, more action-packed story than that.


If Spider-Man proved anything it doesn't have to be. Remember what happened when Spider-Man 3 tried to go darker to "adapt" to audiences. The same kind of thing would happen with a darker Superman. Just because the Batman series has worked out so well for Warners, doesn't mean they have to do the same kind of thing with Superman. Who wants to see either, A) Supes getting even more shit on, or B) A brooding Superman? And maybe it's just me being hopeful, but I think by the time the new Superman comes out, audiences will begin to skew the other way again.

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It needs to SPIDERMAN meets INDEPENDENCE DAY meets STAR WArs :D :D :D :yes: :yes: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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I don't want to entertain the notion of this thread because Superman Returns is a masterpiece of its genre (The Dark Knight was only slightly superior) and I 100% want Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh to be able to do a direct sequel.

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I don't want to entertain the notion of this thread because Superman Returns is a masterpiece of its genre (The Dark Knight was only slightly superior) and I 100% want Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh to be able to do a direct sequel.


I agree and I would love for there to be a sequel. There's still a chance that it could happen now that Singer is done with Valkryie. But as the now years have gone on, and since you would figure they might have announced it right after The Dark Knight's mammoth start, it's not looking too good.

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Spiderman 3 wasn't shit because it was darker but because it plainly sucked.

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Spiderman 3 wasn't shit because it was darker but because it plainly sucked.


Very true, but they did try to go darker. Actually, they tried to mix the tones from the first two films with an overall darker tone (emo/Travolta Peter being the primary example). It didn't work.

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I just dont feel that they have to restart every movie just because the last one wasnt well received in public. Pretty soon we will get Catwoman Begins and Howard the Duck Begins


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