I have to agree with BKB (ABOUT BATMAN, not his crazy Hulk theory (sorry BKB, but you would expect it from me so no big)). The movie is being WAY overhyped by the internet. I don't think people realized how much people hated Batman 4. It was truly terrible, I mean George Clooney as Batman? What were they thinking. Anyway, I have not heard ANYONE talk about this new batman movie outside of the internet.

Don't get me wrong it will be big once everyone hears about it. But it will break 200 million at the most, and wont come anywhere near the success of Spider-Man or any of the other huge movies that have come out recently.

=D> Exactly... And HULK RULED MOVIEBUFF!!! DON'T MESS WITH ME!!! :wink:

Well Michael, what can i tell you.

Batman is one of the best selling comics of today. 2003 individual comic sales put a batman comic at the top. the teasers and posters support the batman people have all waited for ... this IS how batman was meant to be done so for them (and me), its not really mediocre at all.

The movie is catering pretty much to the fan base .. and like i said a 100 times, i do not know how that transfers to the general public.

Actually bkb, Ebert is most probably going to give begins a great review otherwise, he'll be a hypocriite to his earlier views. Ebert has never given batman movie a good review at all with Forever scoring the highest. His view has always been that the batman movies have never concentrated on batman/bruce wayne ever, cept for Forever that came closest (with which i agree) .... you should read his 4 reeviews .. really ..

Um that description fits all the movies being released from april to the following year. I see Batman posters in about 3 different movie theaters I visited the past month. Tell me at least 5 movies that have more awareness than Batman right now. Before you answer, I know you will say either Star Wars or War of the World but besides the SW's freaks and Natalie Portman fans, I dont think that many people know SWs is going to be out this summer knowing that there hasnt been a teaser poster or trailer yet.

Ep3 has quite a bit of awareness. according to me, Begins pretty much challenges Ep3 on the net for awareness and discussion. whereas any release of Ep3 major spoilers are huge (poster or teaser), otherwise, the conversation goes down. begins usually does not have a huge discussion over its spoilers but it has consistent presence in the online community.

Ep3 and batman both now have posters everywhere. there is a bigger marketing push for begins now than Ep3, mainly cause Ep3 doesn't really need it to be a seller. But like i said, assessing the interest from a general user right now is tough ... i've introduced it to some people now .. all are happy with it, some find it kewl yet some are very meh ....

Im dont quite notice any awareness from Star Wars other than the few Star Wars dork roomate I have. Most people I know hate Star Wars. Like I said awareness for Star Wars is only high for the SW geeks,dorks and the Natalie Portman fans

my point being, for lucas to spend 50 million more on marketing for awareness or any sort of money over what hes spending would result in the same gross for it. Star wars is a definite .. the marketing for it is just enough, cause the name of the movie markets itself at the end of the day. people who need to see it know its coming out and these people are inthe millions. those who dont know when its coming out are a very small minority of the peopel contributing to its total gross .. i mean seriously, if you even remotely see star wars, its quite obvious you know round about when its to be released.

begins has a bigger issue. marketing more WILL result in higher turnout (if its good marketing). low marketing will only get the fanboys in.

Well SW crowd is mainly the internet crowd too. Dont tell me it isnt true. And as you said the hype of the internet for Batman Begins is as big as SWs since they really rely on the internet crowd. Even if Batman Begins will just rely on the internet crowd, it will still do big as demonstrated by Matrix Reloaded and its internet campaign unless the movie is bad or boring

define internet crowd then. cause AOTC made 700 million worldwide or something .. using american prices, thats like 100 million or so people ..... you're not convincing me that 100 million people browse internet movie forums, movie sites and stuff and get all their info from there. sure, they all GO on the internet but so do the people who watched Frida : )

Um you neglect to mention that some people watch the movie maybe 3 times and they dont watch it during matinee hours. If you go by world wide figures, overseas people arent as uptight as americans are when it comes to sci-fi movies so I will stick with the domestic gross of 330 million. It sounds reasonable that out of those 33 million people, a little over half of them are the SW dorks. The other half percent is probably from people who watch anything thrown into them, teens who just want to see a blockbuster and the casual family

yes but 33 million confined to one country. that figure becomes even more unrealistic. i doubt there are 33 million users in the US surfing sites and stuff ...

indeed, there are people who watch movies multiple times and not during matinee. thats a hindsight on my part but i let it be because i cant possibly measure that quantity.

read what I just edited baba :wink:

i disagree. half of them may be SW crazed fanboys and girls but the other half aren't just casual viewers. I'm a big lover of hitchhiker but i'm no crazed fanboy. a lot of people love star wars for what it is but don't go crazy over it. they know its coming out, they already know they'll see it but they're in no way anticipating it like i anticipate begins or naturalflux antipicates electra. yet theyre not the very casual viewer either.

So where does a person get his information of either Batman or SW coming out if they cant get it off from the internet or the SW/Batman internet freak they talk to everyday, baba?

You have to be honest here and say that both SW/Batman will eventually have to depend on the internet for its hype. Its not like in the old days where internet isnt available that you have to get the information of when a movie is going to be coming out from a magazine or entertainment show

I think you answered your own question.

People get information from TV. You think you have 6 year old kids on the internet?? They watch tv, find out nemo is coming out an voila, they're there. they get it from looking at magazine covers as they wait at the counter to buy their groceries or books. They get it when they actually go out and watch a movie and see what else might be coming out. lots of them (my friends) get it from an internet guy like me who tells them something is coming out and then they go on the net and find it.

internet is important but theres a difference between internet buzz followers are people who just browse the internet. Internet hype is very important and both will rely on it for their marketing. but theres a difference between us who search out this info on a daily basis not for one but many movies and those who are on yahoo and see a link for a movie that sounds interesting ... or its a fiday night and they check the theatre on the net for whats playing and then proceed to check something like rottentomatoes or something to see what people think of it : )

oh yea .. theres the radio ... and radio does wonders for the early morning car drivers : )

Radio doesnt talk about a movie till its about to open a month ahead of time unless they are interviewing a star and talk about their upcoming movie. Personally I dont think any of the stars for Starwars is in the spotlight with the exception of Natalie Portman(because of the golden globe) and Samuel L Jackson. But that same logic can apply to either Liam Neeson or Morgan Freeman ( talking about his role in Million Dollar Baby). And no I dont see Yoda on the cover of any magazine when Im shopping :mrgreen: . I did see Batman make the cover on Entertainment weekly

but you missed my point .. i already said Ep3 doesn't require additional marketing .. how often does lucas even promote this movie openly?? think about it. he doesn't need to.. putting yoda is not important. putting batman is. and i already made this point, batman begins is pushing more than ep2 in terms of marketing outside of the internet right now : )


your argument on morning radio is not justified. while the campaigns for the movie does not start till right before the movie is to be released, it makes a huuuuge impact when it does start. and plays a major part in awareness of those people who work all day and come home and spend time with the family. i'm an internet geek and sometimes, i'm convinced to watch a movie only based upon the ads on the radio for a reviewer on the morning show. hell, i've even heard of movies over the radio the first time ....

All of you who are saying Batman is being overhyped, theres only been one teaser poster and blah blah blah dont even know who's behind this movie and how much praise the script has been getting ( which are the important things ). I could care less about Batman, the only movie i've even liked was the 89' Batman ( which wasnt even that great ) This one will be one of the great super hero movies, it'll be in the same leauge as Spider-Man 2 and X-2 ( quality wise )


* These could have spoilers in them *

Overall, Batman Begins was a huge relief and a great fresh start for Warner Brothers' ill-treated franchise. Goyer and Nolan's story was exciting, smart, and faithful to its source material. It managed to be both emotionally intimate and epic in scale, entertaining as a popcorn flick yet thoughtful enough to be appreciated on a more adult level.

With its great ensemble cast, talented director, and Goyer's solid script, Batman Begins has every opportunity to be the Batman film we've all been waiting for (some feel since 1989). It should do for DC films what the X-Men movies and Spider-Man did for Marvel, which was to legitimize the genre again for both fans and filmmakers. In short: you won't be disappointed!

I still recall the joke that was going around when Burton's Batman opened. "Wow, did you see how much money Batman made?!" "Yeah, now imagine how much it would've made if it was good." Come next summer Warner Brothers will learn the happy answer to that question and it will be because they finally treated Batman (and his fans) with respect. – STAX

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/496/496077p3.html


This is going to be the best “Batman” movie ever. No butts about it. Sure, it’s probably got its problems and no doubt not everything is going to work as well with some as it will with others, but when something makes you thirsty as hell for the sequel, you know someone’s doing something right. The last couple of pages – the ending – frickin ties it all up skilfully and as good as one could wish for. Having spoken to Christian Bale several times over the years, I’m aware of just how much he likes the Batman character and I think that’s what’s going to make him strive to give it his best. He’s a fan of the superhero just as much as we are, so would indubitably be livid as heck if it wasn’t done right. And think about the rest of the film’s cast – Oldman, Holmes, Watanabe, Neeson, Freeman, Caine? – Why would they be some little superhero movie unless they honestly believed it was much more than that. In closing, I’ve got everything crossed for this baby and hope it’s the big one for Chrissy B. Pity we have to endure “Catwoman” first though.

http://www.moviehole.net/news/3738.html

While I talk so much about the story, the plot, the characters I don't want you thinking this baby is without action. Oh, there's action all right and there's a great sequence with that Batmotank I was so worried about. If it is executed as well as the script, then I'm no longer worried.

I am pleased as punch to say that reading this script has given me faith. Perhaps Warner Bros. might finally make a good film out of one of their properties. They've certainly put a powerful cast into place with a talented director who has a f***ing AMAZING script to work with. I'm just hoping this is the Final Draft. That is, unless Goyer has found some way to make this thing better

http://www.comics2film.com/StoryFrame.p ... 66&f_sec=6

There ya have it. Basically, an origin movie and a very dope one at that. The second half of the film is just as good if not better. There is a big Batmobile chase that will knock your socks off. If you want more story details, check out Garth’s site for the story synopsis. This was a fun script to read. I was literally ooing and awing as I read. You bet your ass Warner Brother’s will make serious Cartel Drug Dealer Dollars with this one. I will be first on the geek line to see this flick. A very entertaining read and I tip my hat to David Goyer for a job well done.

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptrevie ... eview.html

If anybody wants to talk abou overhyped movies lets talk about Episode 3 not Batman Begins.

Moviebuf!!!!


HELLO!!! =D>

Without even reading this drivel, I'll say that SW EPISODE III is hands down DESERVING of the Hype it's receiving cause face it: Every pic shown so far looks so much closer in connection with the original Star Wars and that's REALLY what fans and casual moviegoers wanted with EPISODE I and didn't get it.. EPISODE III will really be EPISODE I, What everyone wanted EPISODE I to be and wasn't.. BATMAN on the otherhand looks like it's relying on it's comeback success by copying LOTR and 7 Years in Tibet with all the sword fighting and treking through the mountain scenes and unless your really attuned to the BATMAN comics, most people are going to scratch their head at this, plus the use of 2nd rate villains in this as well... Also, I see people going ga ga over the batsuit and it looks exactly like Tim Burtons vision.. I thought they were going for a fresh approach to this and not copying Burtons BATMAN??? :-#

I read the Batman Begins script. In my opinion it isn't that impressive, campy dialog and an incredibly disjointed story (slow realistic first half, heavy and utterly comic second half). I've stated those reasons elsewhere and Baba (in particular) and I have have gone round and round on it.
Acting can save it, but these days I'm weary of the idea of having to fill every supporting role with a well known actor.

There is a lot of stuff about this project that I don't agree with. I don't agree that this is a very far step away from Tim Burton's vision of the character. I don't agree this represents "the true Batman" only a modern interpretation of the character. The vehicle fails to impress me even though its appearance fits into the story, I felt they could have pushed it into the realm of fantasy a bit more.

I am, however, not delusional enough to say this movie will flop. It will do at least $180 million, if not more.

What made X-Men, X2 and Hulk so great was that they really pushed the boundries of what a comic book movie could do. The X films proved you could take a comic, modernize it, and spit out an excellent and balanced ensemble picture. Hulk proved you could strip the comic of almost anything 'comical' and push the drama. In fact, my biggest criticism of Ang Lee is that he didn't just take that extra step and eliminated Nick Nolte's character entirely from the picture, that would have cut the SUPERVILLAN and made the Hulk itself the villan in the picture.

Superman and Spider-Man are successes because of their authenticity, the love for the projects by the directors, their scope and the closeness of the adaptation.

I don't see how Batman Begins is going to make its mark long term. We'll see.

=D>

A great analysis on Hulk. Though i must say, itis lack of humor was why i think people didn't like the hulk much .. it took itself too seriosuly, which worked fo rme, but i guess didn't work for others. I recently watched Superman and loved it. I'm undeiceded now if Hulk or Superman is my favorite superhero movie.

Thanks! Hulk is a perplexing movie because Ang Lee completely failed making a traditional comic book film (aside from the editing and cinematography) because he had great actors and a great dramatic situation. Instead he made a film more akin to Unbreakable, which is much more arty and specific.

Here I go on a tangent:

Hulk really centers on the inner torment of the primary character. The Hulk IS the villian of the film. Nick Nolte and the Absorbing Man are complete afterthoughts of the story, a way to add an action scene to the end of the film. Much like Spider-Man II concentrates on Parker's inner torment, Dr. Ock and Absorbing Man, who incidently both have no long term interesting plans to do with the power they aquire, are just these henchmen added to the story so that it has some "authentic super villian". This, incidently, is why I have so many problems with the Spider-Man series.

Bruce's father plays absolutely no part in directly how Banner becomes Hulk (well, except the backstory), the relationship with Betty and her father, and Hulks subsequent rampage in order to get to San Francisco. The instant Betty saves Bruce by walking down those steps in San Francisco the movie is pretty much over. Lee could have tagged on a clever ending where he re-Hulks out, takes Betty away, drops her off so they could have an intimate moment alone, then escapes in a big action scene, but instead.

In fact, if Lee wanted to make an impact, he could have killed Banner. No cheesy supervillians, no "franchise", just take the plunge and turn it into the Jekyll and Hyde story that it is.

Batman Begins may turn out to be the same way. It's VERY Batman focused, but the villian is a little more active than Hulk or Spider-Man, and a little bit more a part of the backstory of the whole piece. Not the scarecrow though, that part is almost a complete afterthought, mostly created to sell another uneeded supervillian.