BKB Takes Aim At USA TODAY Critic For Denial Of SW3
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Ahmed Johnson
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Archie Gates wrote: Whingers? When did Ahmed go Brit on us?
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MikeQ.
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I love how so many people jump to say that her omission of Star Wars and inclusion of King Kong shows her "extreme bias". lmao. Really? How? lmao. Seriously people, not everything in life is Star Wars vs. another film, or Lucas vs. Jackson. lol.
Personally I would include Star Wars in the top 5, but I can see the point in her comment and I think her opinion is supported. Star Wars has not much going for it except for it being the last film in the trilogy. The last 2 Star Wars films garnered overall disappointment/negative buzz among people, even if a lot of hardcore fans were happy, so the third got hurt by this. It's unfortunate, but it happened. The box office has declined, and Star Wars isn't necessarily really buzzing among the film industry as much as some people might expect. I can see why she decided to not include it on the list, even if I, and most others, probably would.
There's nothing wrong with her list; it's not as if she put films that are glaringly not that "big" this year. All of the films she listed are "big expected blockbusters" for this year, and each film is being talked about. There are more fans for Charlie and the Chocalate Factory than people think. A lot of people either a) love the whole story and cannot wait, b) are incredibly excited for another amazing casting pair, Johnny Depp and Freddie Highmore, or c) both. War of the Worlds continues to get lots of coverage and has another great Spielberg/Cruise matchup, plus Dakota Fanning. King Kong: obvious Peter Jackson support, plus coverage, Narnia is a incredibly beloved book, almost up there with Harry Potter, etc. All of the films have something there.
PEACE, Mike 
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Groucho
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I don't expect ROTS to make the top 5 of the year.
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:43 pm |
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MikeQ. wrote: There are more fans for Charlie and the Chocalate Factory than people think. A lot of people either a) love the whole story and cannot wait, b) are incredibly excited for another amazing casting pair, Johnny Depp and Freddie Highmore, or c) both.
Hear, hear!!
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:45 pm |
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Mike Ventrella wrote: I don't expect ROTS to make the top 5 of the year.
Now that's just silly.
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:56 pm |
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Groucho
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Nebs wrote: Mike Ventrella wrote: I don't expect ROTS to make the top 5 of the year. Now that's just silly.
Phantom did great business, Clones did much less (and only was 3rd for the year) and I think this film will drop in a similar fashion.
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:05 pm |
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Edit: Nevermind.
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:09 pm |
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First off, Charlie and the Chocalate Factory should not even be remade and second do people really wanna see a movie for kids with a gothic type feel to it? With Burton involved you know its gonna have that feel to it and from little I saw of the movie from clips you can tell he's really adding the Burton touch to it. I hope it fails big time. ROTS is probably the most anticipated movie this year, that doesnt mean it'll be great or anything though, just means people wanna see the last installment in the SW franchise, no matter if it sucks or not.
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Groucho
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Killuminati510 wrote: First off, Charlie and the Chocalate Factory should not even be remade and second do people really wanna see a movie for kids with a gothic type feel to it? With Burton involved you know its gonna have that feel to it and from little I saw of the movie from clips you can tell he's really adding the Burton touch to it. I hope it fails big time. ROTS is probably the most anticipated movie this year, that doesnt mean it'll be great or anything though, just means people wanna see the last installment in the SW franchise, no matter if it sucks or not.
I think the audience for Star Wars has peaked. There is without a doubt a core group that will go see it no matter how bad it is, but I don't think it will appeal to the mainstream audience enough to make it as big as some people think it will be.
Oh, it'll make a lot of money but it won't be as much as Clones, and it won't be in the top 5 (well, unless a lot of other films don't do very well, which is possible).
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:31 pm |
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Maverikk
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*Makes a note to pull this thread back up at a later date.*

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MGKC
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Mike Ventrella wrote: I don't expect ROTS to make the top 5 of the year.
I would back you up on this one.
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:30 pm |
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Cleric
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Couldn't they have pulled off a winter release and thrown on Kingdom of Heaven or even Fantastic Four?  I don't agree with her opinion about Episode III, but "facts is facts", the majority of the public can't wait to see this movie.
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STEVE ROGERS
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Snrub wrote: Maverikk wrote: Well, intentionally leaving off Star Wars, yet making sure to include King Kong speaks volumes here. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory at #1? Batman Begins at #2? Was she purposely trying to kill her credibility while she was purposely omitting Revenger of the Sith? In her defense, she doesn't actually rank the films in the article. She just lists them in the order of their release (Charlie comes in third). I think BKB just made up the rankings all by himself. However, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is at number one in the poll that accompanies the article with a whopping 29% of the total vote. =D>
No, I didn't include those rankings myself.. I had the USA TODAY Life Section right in front of my eyes cause I weas in the process of delivering the USA today to the Guests staying at the Hotel I work at and I saw this portion of it where she babbled about SW3 being a BUST or not and it possed me off enough to make this thread.. It's a bunch of bullshit and it should be listed whether her Jackson loving ass likes the SW Prequels or not.. I provided the link where she said this and it isn't made up..
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Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:23 am |
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STEVE ROGERS
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Mike Ventrella wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: First off, Charlie and the Chocalate Factory should not even be remade and second do people really wanna see a movie for kids with a gothic type feel to it? With Burton involved you know its gonna have that feel to it and from little I saw of the movie from clips you can tell he's really adding the Burton touch to it. I hope it fails big time. ROTS is probably the most anticipated movie this year, that doesnt mean it'll be great or anything though, just means people wanna see the last installment in the SW franchise, no matter if it sucks or not. I think the audience for Star Wars has peaked. There is without a doubt a core group that will go see it no matter how bad it is, but I don't think it will appeal to the mainstream audience enough to make it as big as some people think it will be. Oh, it'll make a lot of money but it won't be as much as Clones, and it won't be in the top 5 (well, unless a lot of other films don't do very well, which is possible).
You care to make a Wager on this??? This movie will smoke at the box office... It has Darth Vader, it has Multi Chewbacca's, It has The Emperor, what more needs to be said about this?? Your crazy if you dion't think this film will not be in the Top 5.. I'll betcha BATMAN BEGINS isn't in the Top 5 before SW3??
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STEVE ROGERS
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MikeQ. wrote: I love how so many people jump to say that her omission of Star Wars and inclusion of King Kong shows her "extreme bias". lmao. Really? How? lmao. Seriously people, not everything in life is Star Wars vs. another film, or Lucas vs. Jackson. lol. Personally I would include Star Wars in the top 5, but I can see the point in her comment and I think her opinion is supported. Star Wars has not much going for it except for it being the last film in the trilogy. The last 2 Star Wars films garnered overall disappointment/negative buzz among people, even if a lot of hardcore fans were happy, so the third got hurt by this. It's unfortunate, but it happened. The box office has declined, and Star Wars isn't necessarily really buzzing among the film industry as much as some people might expect. I can see why she decided to not include it on the list, even if I, and most others, probably would. There's nothing wrong with her list; it's not as if she put films that are glaringly not that "big" this year. All of the films she listed are "big expected blockbusters" for this year, and each film is being talked about. There are more fans for Charlie and the Chocalate Factory than people think. A lot of people either a) love the whole story and cannot wait, b) are incredibly excited for another amazing casting pair, Johnny Depp and Freddie Highmore, or c) both. War of the Worlds continues to get lots of coverage and has another great Spielberg/Cruise matchup, plus Dakota Fanning. King Kong: obvious Peter Jackson support, plus coverage, Narnia is a incredibly beloved book, almost up there with Harry Potter, etc. All of the films have something there. PEACE, Mike 
Because I've been a big follower of her Column every Wednesday and her chat for Years ever since Fellowship was made and she's said on countless occasions that she simply adores everything and anything that is even related to LOTR including Peter Jackson being her all time favorite and him inviting her to New Zealand while he made these films.. She's extremely biased toward this guy and in her eyes, he can do no wrong.. Lucas on the otherhand and his SW Prequels get bashed everytime someone brings up the subject of them and her lack of faith sucks donkey balls that will blow up in her face when this comes out..
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STEVE ROGERS
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Explian to me you idiot how I deceived anyone??? Click on the link and read how she purposely left SW3 off in attempt to put the movie down and praise Jackson's movies and putting them on a pedestal as though he can do no wrong.. I'm gponna laugh my ass off if Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, KING KONG and Chronicles of Narnia BOMB at the box office or get shit on by the critics..
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Explian to me you idiot how I deceived anyone??? Click on the link and read how she purposely left SW3 off in attempt to put the movie down and praise Jackson's movies and putting them on a pedestal as though he can do no wrong.. I'm gponna laugh my ass off if Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, KING KONG and Chronicles of Narnia BOMB at the box office or get shit on by the critics..
I believe he was refering to the fact that
a) You called it Summer releases when her list was for the whole year.
b) You graded them 1 to 5 while she was just naming 5 movies, not listing them down in order of anticipation.
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insomniacdude
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No where does it say that she left Star Wars off to leave room for Kong. Nowhere does she say that it WILL bomb, but merely it could (and I agree with her to a point). She gives plenty of support to her thoughts (except for omitting Sith, could have had more thoughts) but, honestly....
WHY THE HELL DO ALL OF YOU CARE?!
Honestly, I see people always touting the critics don't mean anything, and that people shouldn't pay attention to the press sometimes, and this and that and hypocrisies across the board. You could....you know....NOT read the article. Or is that too logical?
BKB wrote: ...Because I've been a big follower of her Column every Wednesday and her chat for Years...
If she pisses you off so much, why?
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STEVE ROGERS
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insomniacdude wrote: No where does it say that she left Star Wars off to leave room for Kong. Nowhere does she say that it WILL bomb, but merely it could (and I agree with her to a point). She gives plenty of support to her thoughts (except for omitting Sith, could have had more thoughts) but, honestly.... WHY THE HELL DO ALL OF YOU CARE?!Honestly, I see people always touting the critics don't mean anything, and that people shouldn't pay attention to the press sometimes, and this and that and hypocrisies across the board. You could....you know....NOT read the article. Or is that too logical? BKB wrote: ...Because I've been a big follower of her Column every Wednesday and her chat for Years... If she pisses you off so much, why?
Oh, OK.. Why don't I just not read the newspaper PERIOD anytime blockbuster movies like this are mentioned??? I thought it was fucking ignorant of her to go to great lengths to mention the Pro's and Con's of the movies she did list and didn't even give the most anticipated movie of the summer the time a day.. Sorry, but like I said.. I'm not saying you have to like the SW Prequels or not, but for heaven sakes, at least have the damn decency to mention the Possible Pro's and Con's of the upcoming SW3 like she did for the other movies she listed and she didn't... To me, it was a blast at Lucas to and it's going to be funny when this backfires and this movie makes a bloody fortune making her look like a Goof..
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insomniacdude
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You didn't answer my question.
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JURiNG
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to tell you the truth..
all my friends laugh when we were watching ROTS in trailer.. say it's ridiculous..
I feel like am a black sheep..
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Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:34 pm |
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Groucho
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JURiNG wrote: to tell you the truth..
all my friends laugh when we were watching ROTS in trailer.. say it's ridiculous..
I feel like am a black sheep..
I loved the original films, and saw them many times. I'm old enough to have seen them when they were first released and the excitement was great before each one -- what would happen next? Was Darth really his father? Who was the "other"?
I went to see Phantom in the theatre and was really really disppointed. I gave Clones another chance and was even more upset. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I don't plan on seeing ROTS because I don't expect it to be any better. Besides, I already know how it ends; there's no suspense.
And I think there are a lot of people like me out there now. Star Wars, instead of being a big event that everyone anticipates, is now basically a fanboy series. Yes, it is the largest fanboy series out there, and it will do fine business, but not as much as the films before it.
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MovieGeek
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MG Casey wrote: Mike Ventrella wrote: I don't expect ROTS to make the top 5 of the year. I would back you up on this one.
DAMN YOU PEOPLE! ROTS WILL BE NUMBER ONE THIS YEAR!
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Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:52 pm |
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I am really looking forward to EP3's opening weekend, just because i will relish in its dissapointing box office. Not dissapointing to me, as i am quite sure that it will dissapoint, and i am looking forward to it.
No more SW after this May \:D/ \:D/
The only people who are amped up about Ep3 are the fanboys, that's it. Ep1 sold about 84mil tix, then Ep2's ticket sales plunged to 53mil, as many people were dissapointed with Ep1. Now, Ep2 was not a fantastic film that restored people's faith in SW by any means. So we are going to be looking at another decrease in ticket sales from Ep2to Ep3. SM2's ticket sales fell about 12% from SM's, and that was from one well-liked movie to another. So even if Ep3 only manages a 15% fall in ticket sales (which is possible as the "last one" effect might help it, but unlikely) that would get Ep3 less than 300mil.
Either way, no more SW movies in a few months \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
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STEVE ROGERS
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Dr Malcom wrote: I am really looking forward to EP3's opening weekend, just because i will relish in its dissapointing box office. Not dissapointing to me, as i am quite sure that it will dissapoint, and i am looking forward to it. No more SW after this May \:D/ \:D/
The only people who are amped up about Ep3 are the fanboys, that's it. Ep1 sold about 84mil tix, then Ep2's ticket sales plunged to 53mil, as many people were dissapointed with Ep1. Now, Ep2 was not a fantastic film that restored people's faith in SW by any means. So we are going to be looking at another decrease in ticket sales from Ep2to Ep3. SM2's ticket sales fell about 12% from SM's, and that was from one well-liked movie to another. So even if Ep3 only manages a 15% fall in ticket sales (which is possible as the "last one" effect might help it, but unlikely) that would get Ep3 less than 300mil. Either way, no more SW movies in a few months \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
Oh for heaven sakes.. I can't wait to revisit this thread at the end of the summer and see the shocked faces at how much this movie made.. This whole making less than the other 2 is a wash... Hell, Clones made 300 Million off mixed reviews.. If anything, ROTS is guaranteed 300 Million just based on that alone folks.. Get used to it.. This movie is gonna make an absolute fortune and your crazy if you think oitherwise..
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