Commando?! That's one of his lesser good films IMHO. An... odd taste you seem to be having i must say... But to each his own.

Yeh, but to me, Commando is what Arnie was born to do. Films wise, his definitive role that could even be compared to Stallone's Rambo is John Matrix in Commando.

scoff! arnie's success as a bodybuilder is unparalleled. unparalelled? it's "sans pareil," is what i mean.

bodybuilding isn't just about size; it's about symmetry, separation, and proportion. if you watch pumping iron, you'll see waller beat katz, even tho' katz was by far the bigger competitor. AND schwarzenegger beat ferrigno, even tho' ferrigno, again, was actually more massive in many ways. so you can't use that excuse

I didnt use that excuse. I am on the side of Stallone, yet he is smaller, so how the hell am i "using that excuse"?

Arnold's body is, like you said, unparalelled, but that does not excuse Stallone's body...his physique is unique and equally toned. You see, Arnie is a large man, whereas Sly was a small man, that built his body up...which i think is brilliant...not putting Arnie down in any way...ive read his books, and i think he is a master of bodybuilding.....i use his methods also... :wink:

I know that bodybuilding isnt about size, to be muscle-bound means nothing in bodybuilding.....which is why Arnie is the best, because he has shape and proportion to his body..which other builders dont have.

Sly isnt a body builder, but his muscles are equally impressive considering his life style from a child.

- Seeing Rambo 2 and Commando were both made in 1985, I am going to give the "let's get ready for war" to which movie came out first. Anyone remember as I don't feel like checking right now.

- Also another thing that they both tried to do was the funny / special one liners - which right now I remember more from Arnold.

- Your fired.
- I lied.
- I'll be back
Etc.

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From below.

here are the EARLY Stallone movies that should be considered.

Assassins (1995) .... Robert Rath
The Specialist (1994) .... Ray Quick
Demolition Man (1993) .... John Spartan
Cliffhanger (1993) .... Gabe Walker
Tango & Cash (1989) .... Raymond 'Ray' Tango
Lock Up (1989) .... Frank Leone
Rambo III (1988) .... John J. Rambo
Over the Top (1987) .... Lincoln Hawk
Cobra (1986) .... Lieutenant Marion 'Cobra' Cobretti
Rambo: First Blood Part II (1985) .... John J. Rambo
First Blood (1982) .... John J. Rambo
Victory (1981/I) .... Capt. Robert Hatch
Nighthawks (1981) .... Det. Sgt. Deke DaSilva

With the above bolded movies, Stallone did start it alittle earlier.

But was he better againist these early Arnold movies of the 80's.

Red Heat (1988) .... Capt. Ivan Danko (Russian State Police)
The Running Man (1987) .... Ben Richards
Predator (1987) .... Major 'Dutch' Schaeffer
Raw Deal (1986) .... Mark Kaminsky, aka Joseph P. Brenner
Commando (1985) .... Colonel John Matrix
Red Sonja (1985) .... Kalidor
The Terminator (1984) .... The Terminator
Conan the Destroyer (1984) .... Conan
Conan the Barbarian (1982) .... Conan

Rambo II was out first.

Arnold wasb etter at one liners, but thats hardly the thing that draws you to the cinema...

Schwarzenegger: 23 films (not including cameos) - $1621.9 million
Stallone: 31 films (not including cameos) - $1526.9 million

Clearly something drew more people to Arnie than Stallone in the cinema.

Also, Commando is the quintessential one-man-army film and much better than any of the Rambo films (in my opinion, of course). Does any Rambo film have a Freddie Mercury lookalike in a chainmail vest? No. I rest my case.

Silly Americans...... :wink:

Both Arnold and Stalone are terrible, terrible actors.

But at least Arnie had an excuse to be with a role that required next to no thespian talent, and he even struggled to pull it off imo

How the fuck can you call Stallone a terrible actor, you seriously havent watched Rocky or Copland.

Arnie, yes, terrible actor.

Sly, no, he is a bloody good actor, just, usually picks role that require low level of acting.

You truly do amaze me every single time

you're starting to scare me with your love for stallone algren, lol

They may be bad actors but they both picked the roles best suited for them. Arnold is better though. And will always be more popular. More people know The Terminator than Rocky.

Its not a fair comparison since Arnold has most of his hits during the 90s so those inflated grosses will clearly favor him. Its already been established that Stallone was the bigger star during the 80s and Arnold was the bigger one during the 90s. What I dont like is people hating Stallone clearly to spite Algren and dismissing everything Stallone has done including Rocky and Rambo. I make fun of Algren's love for Stallone but at least I dont dismiss any of the hits that Stallone has generated :wink:

The most laughable comment was the one referring to Stallone as a Arnold wannabe when it was Stallone who paved the way for Arnold. I might as well say that Bruce Lee was a Jackie Chan wannabe since Jackie Chan has the bigger margin of higher grossing movies

Was Stallone really better than Arnold in the 80's. I would like to see the BO of these movies.

Tango & Cash (1989) .... Raymond 'Ray' Tango
Lock Up (1989) .... Frank Leone
Rambo III (1988) .... John J. Rambo
Over the Top (1987) .... Lincoln Hawk
... aka Meet Me Half Way (USA)
Cobra (1986) .... Lieutenant Marion 'Cobra' Cobretti
Rocky IV (1985) .... Rocky Balboa
Rambo: First Blood Part II (1985) .... John J. Rambo
Rhinestone (1984) .... Nick Martinelli
Staying Alive (1983) (uncredited) .... Man on Street (cameo)
First Blood (1982) .... John J. Rambo
... aka Rambo: First Blood
Rocky III (1982) .... Rocky Balboa
Victory (1981/I) .... Capt. Robert Hatch
... aka Escape to Victory
Nighthawks (1981) .... Det. Sgt. Deke DaSilva
... aka Hawks

But was he better againist these early Arnold movies of the 80's.

Red Heat (1988) .... Capt. Ivan Danko (Russian State Police)
The Running Man (1987) .... Ben Richards
Predator (1987) .... Major 'Dutch' Schaeffer
Raw Deal (1986) .... Mark Kaminsky, aka Joseph P. Brenner
Commando (1985) .... Colonel John Matrix
Red Sonja (1985) .... Kalidor
The Terminator (1984) .... The Terminator
Conan the Destroyer (1984) .... Conan
Conan the Barbarian (1982) .... Conan

But Arnold's one liners added to the charm of his movies.

And looking at the average of the above movies.

Stallone = 50
Arnold = 70.

Without taking into account the years the movies were made.

It clearly shows that Stallone tore Arnold a new one during the 80s and ARnold tearing Stallone one during the 90s. Arnold had only 2 movies that passed 50 million and one of which reached 100 million. Stallone had almost a dozen that passed 45 million and 4 that made over 100 million

The #'s really tell it with Rambo and Rocky leading the way for Stallone.

Its still his bread and butter so... Not to mention he wrote the screenplay to the originals too. Many can say the same thing about taking away Star Wars and Indiana Jones away from Harrison Ford and he will be behind Eddie Murphy and Tom Cruise. Those BO numbers still prove that Stallone was a big draw in the 80s, it doesnt matter what numbers come from which franchise

they both SUCK
I do watch Arnie movies to humour him, but stallone seems to take himself seriously - it hurts inside.

Yes they both suck as actors but they are action stars. But one thing Stallone holds over Arnold is that he was never the guy to have his voice dubbed over in english in one of his movies

Suck? Maybe we should rate Jennifer Garner in Elektra on the SUCKING scale.

!YAY!.

I still haven't seen Rocky or Rambo but everything i've heard about them ... Sly was more in it than how Michael described him.

And Terminator 2 stands above all of them.

I for one am not hating Stallone, not at all, he's cool, like him. Rocky and Rambo were both great successes. But that doesn't change the fact - ok, if you insist, my opinion - that Arnie is the bigger star of the two (looking at their whole careers), that Arnie has achieved more (not counting just the movie business).

And who says Arnie would not have become as big without Sly?

Indeed.