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bABA
Commander and Chef
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:56 am Posts: 30505 Location: Tonight ... YOU!
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 Night Watch
I may get the opportunity to watch this movie ... it sounded like those low budget horror vampire films but i have been reading more and more about it and people are calling this one surprisingly good.
Has anyone seen it or heard of it?
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Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:18 am |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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It's bad, I have seen it quite a while ago. Unless you read the book, you'll have hard time understanding anything.
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Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:18 pm |
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Andrew
Lover of Bacon
Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2005 7:05 pm Posts: 4197 Location: Sherwood Forest, UK
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Meh, i enjoyed it, gave it a B+ even though it did turn into a big episode of Buffy towards the end. But then i liked buffy...
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:33 pm |
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asalem182
Cream of the Crop
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:44 am Posts: 2375 Location: Cairo, Egypt
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Dr. Lecter wrote: It's bad, I have seen it quite a while ago. Unless you read the book, you'll have hard time understanding anything.
Couldn't agree more. This film is quite a mess. I gave it a C, and if it wasn't for the last 10 minutes, I would have given it a D.
If anyone thinks Tony Scott's style is crazy, wait until you see Nightwatch. Its director makes Scott look like Terrence Malick.
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Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:34 am |
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dolcevita
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Huh? Wasn't this the Russian horror film I saw the trailer for about half a year ago? I was wondering what happened to it.
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Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:45 pm |
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android
Cream of the Crop
Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:44 am Posts: 2913 Location: Portugal
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It received a few good reviews here... but I didn't feel the urge to see it..
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Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:36 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
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I'll probably be watching this tonight. I feel weird considering it a 2006 film since i've known about it since what seems like forever. Oh well. I need more 2006 films, anywho.
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Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:57 pm |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:25 pm Posts: 28110 Location: Awaiting my fate
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I have tickets for the 27th (a week from tomorrow) to see it.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:02 am |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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I have tickets to this as well, but I don't know if I'll be able to make it.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:08 am |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
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I was able to watch the first half of the film, but then my subtitles got all screwy. From what i've seen, it's pretty fantastic. Yeah, the plot is extremely convoluted and almost nonsensical, but this film is all about it's style, and it comes through in spades in that department. I don't want to say too much until I can finish it, so i'm gonna try and do that. So far, though, i'd recommend that you guys try and see this one. Especially you, Zing. I think you'll love it.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:11 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
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Also, it should be noted that I was watching the original Russian release. I hear that Fox has made some changes to the US release. I'm definitely gonna try and see the US version before putting it on any '06 lists.
EDIT: Apparently, the changes are pretty minimal. They do some tricky stuff with the subtitles and there are one or two scenes added, but nothing that impacts the film.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:43 pm |
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dolcevita
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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What did they do with the subtitles? This actually really interests me, as its traditionally been one of the big barriers to people in the States watching international films. Especially something like horror, which begs close attention to the image, etc.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:02 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
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dolcevita wrote: What did they do with the subtitles? This actually really interests me, as its traditionally been one of the big barriers to people in the States watching international films. Especially something like horror, which begs close attention to the image, etc.
I've heard they're kind of animated/graphic in nature. It's supposed to be pretty interesting.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:17 pm |
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dolcevita
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Hmmm? I may peak in for a few minutes just to see how they handled it. I can't really comprehend a different layout for them, so I would like to see it. I know the restrictions, is it 35 characters and seven seconds? Something like that, and I know how much of a turn-off they are unfortunately to large audiences that would otherwise enjoy the style and content of certain films.
At one point I say, tough, their loss. But I do want to see imports have success here as well, and it certainly is a challenge to have subtitles match tone, style, pace and allow for looking at cinematography depnding on the film.
I once saw a Greek version of Lysistrata and marveled at how hard the translator/subtitlers had to work to keep the puns and entendres and rymescheme all within the limitations of time and space.
There's nothing more painful than white lettering on a white backgrouns as well.
Let us know how its unique.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:26 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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makeshift wrote: I was able to watch the first half of the film, but then my subtitles got all screwy. From what i've seen, it's pretty fantastic. Yeah, the plot is extremely convoluted and almost nonsensical, but this film is all about it's style, and it comes through in spades in that department. I don't want to say too much until I can finish it, so i'm gonna try and do that. So far, though, i'd recommend that you guys try and see this one. Especially you, Zing. I think you'll love it.
I don't think Zing will like it and I don't think you'd be as fond of it if you actually finished it, hehe.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:26 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
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Dr. Lecter wrote: makeshift wrote: I was able to watch the first half of the film, but then my subtitles got all screwy. From what i've seen, it's pretty fantastic. Yeah, the plot is extremely convoluted and almost nonsensical, but this film is all about it's style, and it comes through in spades in that department. I don't want to say too much until I can finish it, so i'm gonna try and do that. So far, though, i'd recommend that you guys try and see this one. Especially you, Zing. I think you'll love it. I don't think Zing will like it and I don't think you'd be as fond of it if you actually finished it, hehe.
Unless it takes a total nosedive in the second half, I can't imagine it being that bad.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:29 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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Hmm. I don't think I'll make the screening (or the Thank You For Smoking screening either, argh), so I'll download it if you say it's really worth it, makeshift.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:06 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
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Zingaling wrote: Hmm. I don't think I'll make the screening (or the Thank You For Smoking screening either, argh), so I'll download it if you say it's really worth it, makeshift.
Well, it's looking like i'll be able to finish it tonight, so i'll let you know tomorrow if it's worth it for sure. Thus far, though, i'd say it is.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:08 pm |
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dolcevita
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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makeshift wrote: Zingaling wrote: Hmm. I don't think I'll make the screening (or the Thank You For Smoking screening either, argh), so I'll download it if you say it's really worth it, makeshift. Well, it's looking like i'll be able to finish it tonight, so i'll let you know tomorrow if it's worth it for sure. Thus far, though, i'd say it is.
Zingy, where'd you get Thank-you for Smoking screeners?
Makeshift, is this the version with the new subtitles you're watching right now? Did you get to see Walk on Water?
Lecter, for some reason I actually do remember hearing *somewhere* that it did take a nose-dive but I may be confusing the memory with some other import horror movie from last year.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:08 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
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dolcevita wrote: makeshift wrote: Zingaling wrote: Hmm. I don't think I'll make the screening (or the Thank You For Smoking screening either, argh), so I'll download it if you say it's really worth it, makeshift. Well, it's looking like i'll be able to finish it tonight, so i'll let you know tomorrow if it's worth it for sure. Thus far, though, i'd say it is. Zingy, where'd you get Thank-you for Smoking screeners? Makeshift, is this the version with the new subtitles you're watching right now? Did you get to see Walk on Water? Lecter, for some reason I actually do remember hearing *somewhere* that it did take a nose-dive but I may be confusing the memory with some other import horror movie from last year.
No, it's the older, Russian version.
I haven't gotten around to Walk On Water just yet. I have it, I just need to make time. Hopefully tomorrow.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:10 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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dolcevita wrote: makeshift wrote: Zingaling wrote: Hmm. I don't think I'll make the screening (or the Thank You For Smoking screening either, argh), so I'll download it if you say it's really worth it, makeshift. Well, it's looking like i'll be able to finish it tonight, so i'll let you know tomorrow if it's worth it for sure. Thus far, though, i'd say it is. Zingy, where'd you get Thank-you for Smoking screeners? Makeshift, is this the version with the new subtitles you're watching right now? Did you get to see Walk on Water? Lecter, for some reason I actually do remember hearing *somewhere* that it did take a nose-dive but I may be confusing the memory with some other import horror movie from last year.
Well, it is not like it really takes a huge nosedive. It's just that the first half keeps the viewer relatievely interested and builds up to something that....never happens.
Oh and they totally butchered the book (which was decent, but not even great to begin with. the second book is great)
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:14 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
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dolcevita wrote: Zingy, where'd you get Thank-you for Smoking screeners?
http://rsvp.foxsearchlight.com/RSVPSyst ... oviesId=36
No screener in New York, though. But you could always snab one for Philly. It's on Tuesday at the Ritz.
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:18 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
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Okay, so I finished it...
The second half is indeed quite a bit worse than the first.
BUT
I found this... http://www.horrorview.com/Night%20Watch.htm
"When I heard that Fox Searchlight had picked up the film for international distribution I was really pleased – that is until I found out they were to be releasing a re-edited version. Frankly, this made me very nervous & suspect that what would entail would be a Hollywood homogenising, ironing out all the quirks & peculiarities that make the film so interesting. However, it seems that Bekmambetov was brought in to oversee the changes & the result is actually a stronger film. On a simple level, some of the CG effects have been subtly tarted up, whilst the subtitles are done in a unique & stylish manner – different colours, fonts, positioning on the screen – it sounds like a simple gimmick but it works really well & compliments the film perfectly.
Yet the changes are much deeper than that. Although I’ve heard some say that the changes amount to around 40-60 minutes, I only noticed around 15-20 changed from the DVD. The cuts are mostly from the second half of the film, which is where the pace really lags & which could have done with some stricter editing in the first place. The missing scenes – though often interesting in & of themselves – are ultimately superfluous & slow the film down. It’s also pleasing to note that the most blatant bit of product placement (where a character had to go to the supermarket to buy another jar of coffee!) has hit the cutting room floor. In addition, the subtitles have been retranslated & read much more freely than the difficult-to-follow Russian version. In short, the film simply plays much stronger, more coherently, & less butt-numbingly in the Fox Searchlight cut, which is undoubtedly the version I’ll be returning to most often in the future."
So it appears that the changes made are actually pretty big, and apparently they fix the problems I had with the film (an incredibly slow and muddled second half). So, i'm hesitant to give a review of the film until I can see the US version, which is apparently better.
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Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:25 pm |
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Andrew
Lover of Bacon
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I think i must have seen the edited version as the second half didn't seem to be all that slow to me, and it did have the funky subtitles which are an interesting addition, but hardly anything groundbreaking. Here's some info on them:
Quote: The result is subs that come and go as characters speak. They sometimes appear in different places on the screen, most strikingly when a character is hurled across a kitchen and his shouts of "No!" and "Stop!" explode across the screen like impact marks in a comic book. The words of a curse appear in red and disappear in puffs of digital mist. A computer's output types itself across the screen with a blinking cursor. Some of these stunts work, and some don't, and they may only make sense because this is a fantasy film. But one place that everyone could learn something is in the timing of the subtitles, because it's perfect. Jokes are set up so that the punchline doesn't appear full minutes before it's delivered onscreen. If a character pauses, the subtitles pause. If a different character starts talking the subtitles for the now-silent character go away.
The result of all this? Although the occasional sub stunt is too conspicuous, for the most part the subtitles disappeared completely giving the illusion that you were hearing the characters talk in their natural voices. And that's the goal of subtitles.
http://www.kaijushakedown.com/2006/02/s ... done_.html
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Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:50 pm |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
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I'm curious now as to which version is playing at my local theater. I'll have to check it out this week sometime and report back.
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