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The Proposition is taking names!
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dolcevita
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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 The Proposition is taking names!
No really, its a critics darling already! I like Nick Cave, as a singer. I had to admit the idea of him as a screenwriter seemed odd.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1000596 ... oposition/
But apparently, he's done it before. He teamed up with the director from The Proposition previously to do Ghosts...of the Civil Dead, back in 1988. I've never heard of it. Has anyone seen it?
There's a great cast here to, and I guess anyone who could make a campy song about a group anticipating death must have some kind of knack for language.
Quote: IN THEATERS MAY 5, 2006
Australian director John Hillcoat first teamed up with singer Nick Cave on 1988's disturbing GHOSTS...OF THE CIVIL DEAD, for which Cave co-authored the screenplay and took a memorably brief acting role. The two reconvene for 2006's THE PROPOSITION, with Cave penning the screenplay and providing a soundtrack written with Dirty Three member Warren Ellis. Cave's 19th-century tale begins with the proposition of the title, as Captain Stanley (Ray Winstone) captures fugitive brothers Charley (Guy Pearce) and Mikey Burns (Richard Wilson) at a scene of bloody rape and murder. Informing Charley that he must kill his older brother, Arthur (Danny Huston), in order to be set free, Stanley drags Mikey to a decrepit jailhouse while he waits for Charley to carry out the deed.
Hillcoat's western reeks of the dry desert heat, with flies buzzing, temperatures soaring, and emotions spiraling out of control. As Charley reluctantly sets about his task, Hillcoat and cinematographer Benoît Delhomme create a mesmerizing vision of the Australian outback. The slow, meandering pace of the film is peppered with brutal jolts of unremitting violence, and there are fine performances from the entire cast, who are supported in small but significant roles from Emily Watson (BREAKING THE WAVES) and John Hurt (THE ELEPHANT MAN). Cave's screenplay is tight and focused, leaving little room for sentiment--or anyone for the audience to root for--by giving all his principal characters plenty of grimly undesirable personality traits. But it works perfectly, and in Winstone and Pearce, Hillcoat got his casting exactly right. Both actors give dizzying performances as two men unable to escape their personal demons, finding a tragic outlet only in ceaseless acts of aggression. A memorable feature that lingers long after the last frame of celluloid has flickered onto the screen, THE PROPOSITION establishes Hillcoat as a director of major gravitas. - RT Synopsis
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Wed May 03, 2006 2:07 am |
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getluv
i break the rules, so i don't care
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 4:28 pm Posts: 20411
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I've seen GHOSTS...OF THE CIVIL DEAD. It's set in a prison. It's a bit like HBO's OZ. But considering GHOSTS was made in 1988 it was a real head turner. Great little film that divulges what happens behind closed doors.
As for THE PROPOSITION, which is like DEADWOOD, with bit more of a raw feeling. Prepare for the violence, it's quite shocking. Performances are great.
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This is what the Australian version of EBERT & ROEPER thought of the film:
http://www.abc.net.au/atthemovies/txt/s1474241.htm
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Wed May 03, 2006 2:56 am |
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The Proposition was solid.
I caught it a few weeks ago.
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Thu May 04, 2006 2:46 pm |
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Squee
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:01 pm Posts: 13270 Location: Yuppieville
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I want to see this one quite a bit. Guy Pearce has become one of my favorite actors. He's been in two 4 star movies already, and one is one of my all time favorites. He's also been in a few others that were solid as well.
_________________Setting most people on fire is wrong.Proud Founder of the "Community of Squee." 
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Tue May 09, 2006 12:17 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Ebert & Roeper spoke very highly of it on their show...
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Tue May 09, 2006 2:43 pm |
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dolcevita
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Well, I just got back from seeing it.
I think its safe to say people who like Cave for certain reasons, will like Proposition for those very same reasons!
http://www.worldofkj.com/reviews/Galia/Proposition.php
Last edited by dolcevita on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:11 pm |
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Squee
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:01 pm Posts: 13270 Location: Yuppieville
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dolcevita wrote: Well, I just got back from seeing it.
I think its safe to say people who like Cave for certain reasons, will like Proposition for those very same reasons!
What about people who have no idea who Cave is?
_________________Setting most people on fire is wrong.Proud Founder of the "Community of Squee." 
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:13 pm |
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makeshift
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
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dolcevita wrote: Well, I just got back from seeing it.
I think its safe to say people who like Cave for certain reasons, will like Proposition for those very same reasons!
I'm sorry love, but that made no sense.
Did you like it, though? I'm looking forward to it.
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Wed May 10, 2006 12:14 am |
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dolcevita
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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makeshift wrote: I'm sorry love, but that made no sense.
Did you like it, though? I'm looking forward to it.
Makes perfect sense. If I asked you to write a paragraph up on why you liked or disliked Nick Cave's music/lyrics, that paragraph would most likely be an apt description of the movie. Go ahead, try it and I'll see if I'm right.
If you haven't heard his music, Squee, that's ok. There's still very many reasons one would be drawn to this movie, but tonally, the themes, and at times even distinct word choice really reflect his style. It was a very tight movie, but direcotr and screenplay (Cave did the screenplay) heavy. One can really see its root.
Though Watson was a real standout amongst them all. Everyone did a good job. I liked it, but I don't want to give too much away until the review is up.
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:11 am |
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makeshift
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I actually don't listen to Nick Cave that much, so I don't really have an opinion on him.
Go ahead, sista! Analyze that!
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:15 am |
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dolcevita
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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makeshift wrote: I actually don't listen to Nick Cave that much, so I don't really have an opinion on him.
Go ahead, sista! Analyze that!
You disdain all things Australian?
Actually, I would say if there's nothing appealing/repulsing about his music to you, that you'll probably enjoy the film, but not remember it half a year from now.
I guess I'll proceed since no one reads this anyways.
There's a fine line between a film that is poetic and one that is lyrical, and The Proposition is it. Its very fluid, well done, and really emphasizes atmosphere. There's a sense of decay that overruns the entire film. Its bloody as hell, and incredibly terse. Its also got some passages that pretend at being profound, but really aren't. Those tend to come from the chief antagonist though, so you realize the man is full of it, which is why his words ring hollow. Everything came together nicely, but the movie is so much about tone that its sometimes hard to get into.
Thats what I said about Cave's music. He's one of those guys that people appreciate, but not nearly as many of them listen to his music repetitively, or even own his albums. I only have one, and while I love a song or two on it, its a very hard album to get into. I still appreciate it though. Thats the film as well. I could definately see some very bored people in the theatre (I wasn't one of them) who were probably expecting a little more plot and a little less landscape to this Australian Anglo-Western. None of them left though. They felt compelled to finish off the film, which made me think they at least harbored some respect for it.
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:23 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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I liked this one.
A cold, dark observation on the compromises inherent in the interface between civilization and bloodlust. Well written, stylishly directed, and solidly acted by some old pros - The Proposition is a Western's Western.
5 out of 5.
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:21 am |
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makeshift
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
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I finally saw this today.
I'm having a hard time shaking it. It was a truly depressing film, but it's that good kind of depression you have when you know you've just been hit hard by art. It's two main themes - one's inability to seperate themself from their family ties no matter how much their family brings them down, and the brutalized nature of justice and law experienced back then - are very heavy, and executed in a manner that left me rocked to my core.
Despite the stark subject matter and the extremely graphic violence, the film is a beauty to behold. John Hillcoat has a sumptuous visual style that is perfect for this kind of film. He fills the screen with beautiful compositions, and the way he shoots violence is unique in it's simplicity. No rapid fire cutting here - Hillcoat's camera is unflinching.
The acting is uniformly excellent. The score is great, which is to be expected.
****
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Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:30 am |
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Dkmuto
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I think it's one of the most skillfully made films of last year -- and one of the biggest surprises for me.
The direction deserves awards. As does the cinematography. And score. And editing. (FYC!)
I was never a fan of the western, and even the much beloved revisioning Unforgiven didn't do anything for me, but consider me a fan if all those I haven't seen are in the same vein as this.
A very quiet, very violent, but ultimately lovely meditation on violence and loyalty.
A-
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