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Groucho
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 What Won / What Should Have Won
Here are my subjective choices as to what I would have voted for.
| What Won | What Should Have Won |
1928 | Wings | The Circus |
1929 | Broadway Melody | Steamboat Bill, Jr. |
1930 | All Quiet on the Western Front | All Quiet on the Western Front |
1931 | Cimarron | City Lights |
1932 | Grand Hotel | Scarface |
1933 | Calvacade | King Kong |
1934 | It Happened One Night | It Happened One Night |
1935 | Mutiny on the Bounty | Mutiny on the Bounty |
1936 | The Great Ziegfeld | Modern Times |
1937 | The Life of Emile Zola | Lost Horizon |
1938 | You Can't Take it With You | The Adventures of Robin Hood |
1939 | Gone With the Wind | The Wizard of Oz |
1940 | Rebecca | The Grapes of Wrath |
1941 | How Green Was My Valley | Citizen Kane |
1942 | Mrs. Miniver | Sullivan's Travels |
1943 | Casablanca | Casablanca |
1944 | Going My Way | Double Indemnity |
1945 | The Lost Weekend | Spellbound |
1946 | The Best Years of Our Lives | It's a Wonderful Life |
1947 | Gentleman's Agreement | Monsieur Verdoux |
1948 | Hamlet | The Treasure of the Sierra Madre |
1949 | All the King's Men | All the King's Men |
1950 | All About Eve | Sunset Boulevard |
1951 | An American in Paris | An American in Paris |
1952 | The Greatest Show on Earth | Singin' in the Rain |
1953 | From Here to Eternity | From Here to Eternity |
1954 | On the Waterfront | Rear Window |
1955 | Marty | Mister Roberts |
1956 | Around the World in 80 Days | The Searchers |
1957 | The Bridge on the River Kwai | Witness for the Prosecution |
1958 | Gigi | Touch of Evil |
1959 | Ben-Hur | Some Like it Hot |
1960 | The Apartment | Psycho |
1961 | West Side Story | Judgment at Nuremberg |
1962 | Lawrence of Arabia | Lawrence of Arabia |
1963 | Tom Jones | Tom Jones |
1964 | My Fair Lady | Dr. Strangelove |
1965 | The Sound of Music | The Sound of Music |
1966 | A Man for All Seasons | A Man for All Seasons |
1967 | In The Heat of the Night | Bonnie and Clyde |
1968 | Oliver | 2001: A Space Odyssey |
1969 | Midnight Cowboy | Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid |
1970 | Patton | M*A*S*H |
1971 | The French Connection | A Clockwork Orange |
1972 | The Godfather | The Godfather |
1973 | The Sting | American Graffiti |
1974 | The Godfather Part 2 | The Godfather Part 2 |
1975 | One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest | One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest |
1976 | Rocky | Taxi Driver |
1977 | Annie Hall | Annie Hall |
1978 | The Deer Hunter | The Deer Hunter |
1979 | Kramer verses Kramer | Apocalypse Now |
1980 | Ordinary People | The Empire Strikes Back |
1981 | Chariots of Fire | Raiders of the Lost Ark |
1982 | Gandhi | ET |
1983 | Terms of Endearment | The Right Stuff |
1984 | Amadeus | Amadeus |
1985 | Out of Africa | Brazil |
1986 | Platoon | Platoon |
1987 | The Last Emperor | Empire of the Sun |
1988 | Rain Man | Rain Man |
1989 | Driving Miss Daisy | Do The Right Thing |
1990 | Dances with Wolves | Goodfellas |
1991 | The Silence of the Lambs | The Silence of the Lambs |
1992 | Unforgiven | Malcolm X |
1993 | Schindler's List | Schindler's List |
1994 | Forrest Gump | Pulp Fiction |
1995 | Braveheart | The American President |
1996 | The English Patient | Fargo |
1997 | Titanic | Amistad |
1998 | Shakespeare in Love | Saving Private Ryan |
1999 | American Beauty | American Beauty |
2000 | Gladiator | Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon |
2001 | A Beautiful Mind | The Fellowship of the Ring |
2002 | Chicago | The Two Towers |
2003 | The Return of the King | The Return of the King |
2004 | Million Dollar Baby | Kill Bill 2 |
2005 | Crash | Munich |
2006 | The Departed | The Departed |
2007 | No Country for Old Men | No Country For Old Men |
2008 | Slumdog Millionaire | The Dark Knight |
2009 | The Hurt Locker | Inglorius Basterds |
2010 | The King's Speech | The Social Network |
2011 | The Artist | Hugo |
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Groucho
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 Re: What Won / What Should Have Won
As a disclaimer, I must admit that I have not seen all the films on the "what won" list ... but based on what I have read, I can't imagine that, for instance, "The Greatest Show on Earth" is better than "Singin' in the Rain."
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1990 Goodfellas 1991 The Silence of the Lambs 1992 Unforgiven 1993 Schindler's List 1994 Pulp Fiction (toss up with FG since both stand the test of time so far) 1995 Bravehear (American President? Who even remembers that film?) 1996 Fargo 1997 Titanic (AmiNO) 1998 Saving Private Ryan 1999 American Beauty 2000 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (no Doubt!) 2001 The Fellowship of the Ring (yes!) 2002 Chicago (I agree with this) 2003 The Return of the King 2004 Sideways (love this film) 2005 Brokeback Mountain (EZ) 2006 The Departed 2007 No Country for Old Men 2008 The Dark Knight (snubbed but Yes) 2009 Avatar (no one saw THL and it made nothing) 2.7 Billion to Nothing. Money Matters... 2010 Inception 2011 The Artist (no qualms after I watched it)
On another note, I watched the Midnight Cowboy today and while it was certainly interesting and Voight gave a wonderful performance. It was up against Butch Cassidy...C'mon MAN!
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Dr. Lecter
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Of the films that were nominated:
1990 Dances with Wolves 1991 The Silence of the Lambs 1992 A Few Good Men 1993 Schindler's List 1994 Forrest Gump 1995 Braveheart 1996 Jerry Maguire 1997 L.A. Confidential 1998 Saving Private Ryan 1999 American Beauty 2000 Gladiator 2001 Moulin Rouge! 2002 The Pianist 2003 The Return of the King 2004 Sideways 2005 Munich 2006 The Departed 2007 Atonement (though this is a three-way toss-up) 2008 Slumdog Millionaire 2009 The Hurt Locker 2010 Inception 2011 Hugo
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Algren
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Pre-1970, I couldn't give a rat's ass. Of the post-1970 nominated films, I would have chosen:
1970-1974 Null vote
1975 Jaws 1976 Rocky 1977 Annie Hall 1978 The Deer Hunter 1979 Kramer vs. Kramer 1980 The Elephant Man 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark
1982-1987 Null vote
1988 Rain Man 1989 Field of Dreams 1990 Goodfellas
1991 Null vote
1992 A Few Good Men 1993 The Fugitive 1994 Forrest Gump 1995 Braveheart 1996 Jerry Maguire 1997 As Good As It Gets 1998 Saving Private Ryan 1999 The Green Mile 2000 Gladiator 2001 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2002 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers 2003 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2004 Ray 2005 Brokeback Mountain 2006 The Departed 2007 No Country For Old Men 2008 The Curious Case of Benjamin Button 2009 Inglourious Basterds (flip a coin scenario; Up in the Air lost) 2010 The Fighter 2011 The Descendants
But seriously, all of the movies that did win, should have won.
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Algren wrote: But seriously, all of the movies that did win, should have won. Crash?
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Algren
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be.redy wrote: Algren wrote: But seriously, all of the movies that did win, should have won. Crash? All movies. If a movie won, then it deserved it. These awards are voted on. If Crash won, then it won fair and square, therefore in my mind; yes it should have won. I wouldn't have chosen Crash if it were up to me, but it wasn't.
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You do realize that a lot of votes are made not on the merits of the movie, but on names, friendships, etc.? That's why lobbying is a very important part of an Oscar race.
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Algren
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I do. My opinion still stands.
Perhaps you hold the Oscars in higher regard to me. The integrity of the Oscars should be called into question, not the deservedness of the winners. If they get enough votes, they deserve to win.
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Algren wrote: I do. My opinion still stands.
Perhaps you hold the Oscars in higher regard to me. The integrity of the Oscars should be called into question, not the deservedness of the winners. If they get enough votes, they deserve to win. No matter what our opinions on Oscar are, it's still the highest honor in the movie world today. I'd compare the fact that some movies come into the race with bigger chances for winning due to their pedigree and not due to their comparative quality to a race where an athlete has an advantage over the others due to using some drugs. It might not be enough to win every time, but sometimes that extra push can just skew things into a completely unfair direction.
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Algren
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be.redy wrote: No matter what our opinions on Oscar are, it's still the highest honor in the movie world today.
It is regarded highly, but I've never cared much about it. Reputation is much more important, in my opinion. That level of respect a film gains that cannot be quanitified, but you just know it's well-loved .. that's important and a bigger statement of a films' quality than any Oscar win. And the best thing is that it's different for every person. Then comes Oscar. Then box office. User grading sites, RT, imdb etc. all come a distant fourth. That's the way I see it.
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You have to also realize that with five nominees, that means a film can win with only 21% of the voters thinking that it's "best". Even less with nine nominees.
That's hardly a consensus.
So to say a film "deserved" to win doesn't always square with me.
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Algren
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That's the system that the Oscars uses, so if a movie wins with 21% of the votes, then it is deserved. It's not like this is a new system.
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