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Loyal
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 Rank The Last 10 BP/BD Winners
By significance, quality, timelessness, etc...
Best Picture
1. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Clean sweep. The most successful franchise in AMPAS history. First fantasy win. Top box office.
2. Chicago
First musical to win BP in 35 years. Kicked off a wave of musicals (with help from Moulin Rouge!)
3. Slumdog Millionaire
Won 8 out of 10 Oscars. All Indian cast. No nominated actors. Hard to argue its success. Time will tell if its remembered.
4. Gladiator
Summer release, sword and sandal epic. Kicked off a wave of big budget historical based Oscar hopefuls but as of yet, all pretenders to the throne.
5. The Departed
Perfect blend of art and commerce.
6. Million Dollar Baby
Eastwood and Haggis and the Oscar season haven't been the same since.
7. No Country for Old Men
Violent, gritty, proved you don't have to compromise to win Best Picture.
8. Crash
Famous for its infamy.
9. American Beauty
Alabtross for Mendes and Spacey and pretty much everyone involved.
10. A Beautiful Mind
Meaningless win.
Best Director
1. Peter Jackson
No one has reaped the benefits of a Best Director win as much as PJ. And he earned it.
2. Martin Scorsese
Seemingly endless nominations and finally a big win.
3. Clint Eastwood
You can't fight the Clint. Don't even try.
4. The Coen Brothers
After years of love from die-hard fans and critics, they win big.
5. Steven Soderbergh
A double nominee in the year of his win.
6. Ang Lee
A watershed moment in Best Director history.
7. Sam Mendes
Albatross.
8. Danny Boyle
Too soon to tell what this win means.
9. Ron Howard
Meaningless.
10. Roman Polanski
More of a career achievement Oscar than anything.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:26 pm |
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torrino
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On a timelessness basis, I would argue that Gladiator, A Beautiful Mind, and Chicago have aged better than everything else you've mentioned. Maybe it's cuz they're older...idk.
I certainly hear more about Crash than ROTK or The Departed, but that could be academia in play (same with A Beautiful Mind).
I actually think M$B is the least memorable of the BP winners. Has anyone here watched M$B in the last two years? Didn't think so.
As far as director goes...
Soderbergh belongs with Polanski, really. After Solaris bombed, he found a place with Oceans 11 sequels and HDNet concepts. He's a non-player in future Oscar races (if the botched Che release says anything...Del Toro should've been nominated/won).
Scorsese, Lee, Eastwood, Mendes, Howard, Jackson, The Coen Brothers...at least we still consider their films contenders.
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Jedi Master Carr
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ROTK will be #1 from this decade because Lord of the Rings is timeless.
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If I were to create a 1-10 ranking on each separate area, the rankings would probably be different Torri. I tried to come to an average.
As for Soderbergh, I think the double nomination for Erin Brockovich and Traffic was enough to keep him out the bottom.
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Chippy
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1. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2. The Departed 3. No Country for Old Men 4. Chicago 5. Gladiator 6. American Beauty 7. A Beautiful Mind 8. Million Dollar Baby 9. Slumdog Millionaire 10. Crash
1. Peter Jackson 2. Martin Scorsese 3. The Coen Brothers 4. Ron Howard 5. Ang Lee 6. Sam Mendes 7. Steven Soderbergh 8. Clint Eastwood 9. Roman Polanski 10. Danny Boyle
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Directors Chip?
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Alex Y.
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In terms of cultural significance:
1. Gladiator 2. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 3. Chicago 4. Crash 5. Slumdog Millionaire 6. American Beauty 7. The Departed 8. A Beautiful Mind 9. Million Dollar Baby 10. No Country for Old Men
1. Martin Scorsese 2. Clint Eastwood 3. Peter Jackson 4. Ang Lee 5. Steven Soderbergh 6. The Coen Brothers 7. Roman Polanski 8. Ron Howard 9. Danny Boyle 10. Sam Mendes
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1. Gladiator
2. No Country for Old Men
3. Slumdog Millionaire
4.The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
5. The Departed
6. American Beauty
7. Million Dollar Baby
8. Chicago
9. A Beautiful Mind
10. Crash
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1. Danny Boyle
2. The Coen Brothers
3. Martin Scorsese
4. Ang Lee
5. Peter Jackson
6. Sam Mendes
7. Steven Soderbergh
8. Clint Eastwood
9. Ron Howard
10. Roman Polanski
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Best Picture 01. No Country for Old Men 02. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 03. Slumdog Millionaire 04. American Beauty 05. The Departed 06. Gladiator 07. A Beautiful Mind 08. Million Dollar Baby 09. Chicago 10. Crash
Best Director 01. Roman Polanski 02. The Coen Brothers 03. Peter Jackson 04. Clint Eastwood 05. Martin Scorsese 06. Steven Soderbergh 07. Danny Boyle 08. Sam Mendes 09. Ang Lee 10. Ron Howard
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Masterpieces: 1. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2. No Country For Old Men
Great films that are flawed: 3. Slumdog Millionaire 4. American Beauty 5. The Departed
Very good films: 6. Chicago 7. Million Dollar Baby 8. A Beautiful Mind
Decent, but really doesn't age all that well: 9. Gladiator
Terrible for it's prestige, but as regular drama, just silly and overcooked: 10. Crash
Visionary genius: 1. Peter Jackson
Master craftsmen: 2. The Coen Brothers 3. Roman Polanski 4. Ang Lee 5. Danny Boyle
Great work as usual, but he could do this in his sleep: 6. Martin Scorsese
Great work that he's only followed through with once ever since: 7. Sam Mendes
Very talented man, albeit with organization problems: 8. Steven Soderbergh
Great work that elevates an extremely hokey story: 9. Clint Eastwood
Competent craftsman that contributes nothing to his films: 10. Ron Howard
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Loyal
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AnJon Lyrik Chigurh wrote: Very talented man, albeit with organization problems: 8. Steven Soderbergh
Great work that elevates an extremely hokey story: 9. Clint Eastwood
Competent craftsman that contributes nothing to his films: 10. Ron Howard 
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You know, No Country is really the only great film out of the lot.
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Tyler
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I consider a "great" film to be a potential masterpiece that has a few glaring flaws. No Country is pretty flawless to me. ROTK had Saruman in the theatrical version, but that's not glaring.
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Dr. Lecter
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And I still haven't seen Slumdog.
Will report after March 11th.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Good
Chicago Crash The Departed
Bad
No Country for Old Men Gladiator American Beauty A Beautiful Mind Million Dollar Baby Slumdog Millionaire The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
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Chippy
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Poor bradley.
You've lost all of your sense!
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Loyal
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I want to hug him because of Chicago but ROTK creates feelings of rage. I'm mostly sexually confused over the inclusion of Crash.
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Tyler
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There Will Be Blood > No Country For Old Men. But not by much. Can't complain with the last one winning. After all, it could have been JUNO...
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Howard is really interesting. He goes back and forth between not caring at all about Oscars and creating the baitiest films possible.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:14 pm |
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Rorschach wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Howard is really interesting. He goes back and forth between not caring at all about Oscars and creating the baitiest films possible. The thing is that he can actually make a good bait film IMO. Frost/Nixon, Cinderella Man, and A Beautiful Mind were bait films but still good. I give him credit for being fairly consistent with his bait. I'm going to get beat up for this but Cinderella Man was really really good. I remember the studio offering a money back guarantee if you didn't like the film. So sad it didn't go anywhere.
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Dr. Lecter
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Howard is really interesting. He goes back and forth between not caring at all about Oscars and creating the baitiest films possible. Yeah, you know...it is to the point of me thinking - maybe he doesn't really care and just makes films he likes/wants to make? I mean he said that one of the reasons to do The Da Vinci Code was spending lots of time in Paris and shootng inside of the Louvre (because judging by the boring film, the story couldn't have been the reason).
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Dr. Lecter
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AnJon Lyrik Chigurh wrote: There Will Be Blood > No Country For Old Men. I keep going back and forth on them. I dunno. I don't love either, but like both a lot and truly appreciate the work that went into them. However, I am certain on one thing - There Will Be Blood is better-directed.
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Tyler
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Eh, that's debatable. The Coens are BRILLIANT at design and tension.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Howard is really interesting. He goes back and forth between not caring at all about Oscars and creating the baitiest films possible. Yeah, you know...it is to the point of me thinking - maybe he doesn't really care and just makes films he likes/wants to make? I mean he said that one of the reasons to do The Da Vinci Code was spending lots of time in Paris and shootng inside of the Louvre (because judging by the boring film, the story couldn't have been the reason). I'm also curious how much say Grazer has over Howard's choices. He allowed The Missing to happen.
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Dr. Lecter
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Yess...the tension is the reason why NCFOM stayed ahead for me for most of the time. I mean not only is NCFOM is a very good film with some deeper underlying themes - it is also a damn good suspenseful thriller. There Will Be Blood has its slow parts, IMO. Not everything works.
But the first 10-15 minutes, the burning oil, the bowling alley scenes - masterful. I've gotta give it to Anderson here. Also, Bardem was cool and all....but DDL delivered clearly the best performance of 2007, any category.
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