OUTSTANDING CREATED ENVIRONMENT IN A LIVE ACTION MOTION PICTURE

SPIDERMAN-2 – NYC STREET, NIGHT
Dan Abrams
David Emery
Andrew Nawrot
John Hart

OUTSTANDING SPECIAL EFFECTS IN SERVICE TO VISUAL EFFECTS IN A MOTION PICTURE

THE AVIATOR
Robert Spurlock
Richard Stutsman
Matthew Gratzner
R. Bruce Steinheimer

OUTSTANDING MODELS AND MINATURES IN A MOTION PICTURE

THE AVIATOR – XF11 CRASH
Matthew Gratzner
Scott Schneider
Adam Gelbart
Leigh-Alexandra Jacob

OUTSTANDING COMPOSITING IN A MOTION PICTURE

SPIDER-MAN 2 – TRAIN SEQUENCE
Colin Drobnis
Greg Derochie
Blaine Kennison
Kenny Lam

OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE BY AN ANIMATED CHARACTER IN AN ANIMATED MOTION PICTURE

THE INCREDIBLES – BOB PARR/MR. INCREDIBLE
Craig T. Nelson
Bill Wise
Bill Sheffler
Bolhem Bouchiba

OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE BY AN ANIMATED CHARACTER IN A LIVE ACTION MOTION PICTURE

HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN – HIPPOGRIFF CHARACTER
Michael Eames
David Lomax
Felix Balbas
Pablo Grillo

OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR OR ACTRESS IN A VISUAL EFFECTS FILM

SPIDER-MAN 2
Alfred Molina

BEST SINGLE VISUAL EFFECT OF THE YEAR

THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW – TIDAL WAVE
Karen Goulekas
Mike Chambers
Chris Horvath
Matthew Butler

OUTSTANDING SUPPORTING VISUAL EFFECTS IN A MOTION PICTURE

THE AVIATOR
Rob Legato
Ron Ames
Matthew Gratzner
Pete Travers

OUTSTANDING VISUAL EFFECTS IN A VISUAL EFFECTS DRIVEN MOTION PICTURE

HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN
Roger Guyett
Tim Burke
Theresa Corrao
Emma Norton

Looks like it'll be between Harry Potter and Spider-Man 2.

I still believe Spidey will get it.

I think Spider-Man 2 will get it, but I would really love for HP3 to win.

Yay, TDAT wins best single effect

Deservingly so (even though I'd have prefered the Tornadoes scene to win.

I think this selection of winners is very good. Spot on to all the films which won. Very well deserved!

Looking at this wins and the overall picture it makes me wonder why The Aviator wasn't nominated for Best Visual Effects at the Oscars.

It's a shame Aviator wasn't nominated for the Oscars. The third bullshit not-nomination after Terminal's Art Direction and Collateral's cinematography :???:

I disagree. I'd rather say it's a shame that The Day adter Tomorrow wasn't nominated. I don't think that either Spider-Man 2 or I, Robot or Harry Potter 3 had worse visual effects than The Aviator.

Seriously, the plane sequences were good, but as someone else said on here they've already been done better in Pearl Harbor.

I said this in my review.

Pearl Harbor is an underrated technical masterpiece, buried under a really crappy story with crappy acting on top of it. I almost purchased the extended DVD just to see all the history stuff and the stuff about the special effects. But technically, I think it is the best that ILM has ever produced.

Really, the Aviator's CG sequences are about as good as anything the Discovery channel or History Channel can produce for television. When you can tell that planes are CG then there is a problem. Sure the crash was great, but from my understanding, the crash was mostly practical.

I'm not really keen on the films with CG in them this year. Well most of them. I'm in the camp that Harry Potter should win just for Buckbeak and its amazing digital scenery. I, Robot's Sonny also had a couple moments of being very realized.

Minus the story, I'm not impressed with The Day After Tomorrow at all, it feels like it has all been done before (Deep Impact, etc.).

I wouldn't even give Spider-Man 2 a nomination. Even Raimi seems to think it is not quite up to snuff either. It's hard to disagree with that. However, I'm not stupid, it will win, and it will win partially because of some great features (like they said, compositing) but it will mostly win to celebrate its critical success and box-office.

I said this in my review.

Pearl Harbor is an underrated technical masterpiece, buried under a really crappy story with crappy acting on top of it. I almost purchased the extended DVD just to see all the history stuff and the stuff about the special effects. But technically, I think it is the best that ILM has ever produced.

Really, the Aviator's CG sequences are about as good as anything the Discovery channel or History Channel can produce for television. When you can tell that planes are CG then there is a problem. Sure the crash was great, but from my understanding, the crash was mostly practical.

I'm not really keen on the films with CG in them this year. Well most of them. I'm in the camp that Harry Potter should win just for Buckbeak and its amazing digital scenery. I, Robot's Sonny also had a couple moments of being very realized.

Minus the story, I'm not impressed with The Day After Tomorrow at all, it feels like it has all been done before (Deep Impact, etc.).

I wouldn't even give Spider-Man 2 a nomination. Even Raimi seems to think it is not quite up to snuff either. It's hard to disagree with that. However, I'm not stupid, it will win, and it will win partially because of some great features (like they said, compositing) but it will mostly win to celebrate its critical success and box-office.

I prefer the filming of Hell's Angels to the Hollywood crash, though both were brill.

Wow, you are hard tom please.

I thought Sonny in I, Robot was ingenious and so was the chase scene in the tunnel. Amazing visuals.

The Day after Tomorrow had much better visuals than Deep Impact. I am not talking about the wave only, I mean look at the tornadoes in L.A. Great effects.

Spider-Man 2 was great as well, mostly because of Doc Ock.

To me, these three were better than Harry Potter 3.

As far as entertainment, it pretty much all washes over me, but if I am looking at it critically, I always am a hard person to please, unfortunately. All I know is that if any of last year's nominees... Pirates, Master & Commander or Return of the King where nominated this year, any one of those three would win.


Sonny in I, Robot was realized pretty well, but sometimes he looked waaaaaaaay too CG. I don't think I ever got a sense of him in the "real world". I didn't feel him as metal and plastic, etc. But sometimes it worked. The chase scene was poorly executed in general, lets not talk about that. I have a hard time finding that scene "visually amazing" when The Bourne Supremacy's practical/stunt based tunnel chase scene absolutely owned it.

I, Robot loses huge points with me for the HORRENDOUS effects at the ending of the film (in the building) and other uses of CG which didn't pull me into the world of Chicago of the FUTUAR!


But that's just a time thing.


But done before. Granted, the matte painting work on The Day After Tomorrow was absolutely fantastic, but we've been so forced into a mode of seeing cities and debris and destroyed buildings, it just gave it a notion of been there done that.


Because of his arms, not because of the rendered bits of human in it (Doc Ock himself or Spider-Man) which still look incredibly cheesy.


As far as digital characters in a live action motion picture, there is absolutely NOTHING to match Buckbeak this year. That has always been the digital strength of Harry Potter 3, although granted, Harry Potter, although it has a fair amount of CG and effects work, isn't considered the effects powerhouses that Day After Tomorrow, Spider-Man 2, I, Robot, etc are.

But the composite work on Harry Potter 3 is also a cut above.

About The Day after Tomorrow you say that it has been done before. But then I say that the waves like in M&C have been done before in The Perfect Storm. The time thing doesn't matter. If it is good, it IS good.

And I never got the CGI feeling when I saw Sonny in I, Robot. The showdown looked fvery decent to me as well, even though a bit unrealistic.

Harry Potter's Buckbeak looked good, but then we have the stupidly looking werewolf in the end...

The HP3 werewolf was one of the worst CGI effects I've seen in recent memory.

The waves in M&C are only half the story, the simple fact that most people don't see the CG in the ship battles and just assume most of it is practical is what is REALLY interesting about Master & Commander.

The Day After Tomorrow's effects weren't THAT good. They were mediocre. You whine about the "water" effects being seen before in The Perfect Storm and in the same breath people nominate and call out the FLOOD in The Day After Tomorrow. The icing of the Empire state building looked amazingly CG. So did the people flying around in the tornado (especially the flying billboard). The wolves? Please. It was not the greatest CG moment of the year for me. Live with it!

Yes, the werewolf and the Grim weren't the greatest CG characters ever. But they were servicable, and Buckbeak more than makes up for it. Harry Potter 3 is not the greatest CG using movie ever, I have stated that, it is merely the best of the group we were given.

The reason why I don't like the I, Robot tunnel sequence from a CG perspective is that it completely lost itself in the fact that the entire sequence was animated and it LOOKS like the entire sequence was animated. There is no sense of gravity, physics or interaction which sells it for me. You can tell when things look CG these days not by the quality or rendering of the image, but by the nuances and style of the animation. That's where I, Robot failed for me.

I don't whine about the "water effects" being seen before, I am just following your logic. If M&C was nominated despite the waves haveing been seen before, then it doesn't matter that the effects of The Day after Tomorrow have been seen before in Deep mpact and Twister, as long as they are better and they ARE better.

The HP3 werewolf is even worse than the DAT wolvs, so live with it as well!

And as a matter of fact, most of M&C's ship scenes were real, heck I have seen one of the ships in person when I was in San Diego.

The logic is that Master & Commander wasn't nominated for it's "water effects" alone, but the seemless integration between what the real ships were, the ocean, and the battles.


Nothing is worse in 2004 than those DAT wolves, except that Spider-Man stealing the pizza scene.


Of course the ships were real, they had to be real. But do you think they actually smashed them to pieces and then rebuilt 100% practically? Do you think they fired cannons into them from distances? It's the integration between live action and CG is what makes Master & Commander a really great film technically. I've said it before, and I will repeat it again if you still can't come to terms with it.

The ships scenes have made up about 5-10% of the entire movie. I have said it before and I will say it again. The movie (which by itself wasn't deserving of a Best Picture/Director nomination) didn't deserve a Best Visual Effects nomination against T3 and The Matrix Reloaded (which wasn't even submitted by WB, I think).




The HP werewolf was worse.

And have you actually seen Van Helsing or Catwoman?

It's war now motherfucker.

You can go to a hole and DIE! DIE LIKE THE PIG DOG YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!

I would make some weird funky Nazi/German/Hitler joke/comparison, but I am German too


In the theaters even.

These two "films" don't show up on the map because they hardly tried to. The Day After Tomorrow tried, and failed miserably.

Hey, where's that Goldie fan-club, "your opinuion now OFFICIALLY means less than dirt to me" post? I was prepared to response to that one

Anyway, apparently you are in war with quite a couple of posters on here since they also disagree with M&C being nominated for both. Seriously, M&C is supposed to be a better Oscar contender than, say, 21 Grams? Or even The Last Samurai? No freaking way!



Man, if you saw those and thought that Spidey's pizza stealing and the wolves were the worst, I don't know what to say besides you're wrong.

Because it's too mean and not funny enough. And I acknowledged Goldie, and that's like acknowledging that Satan is your best friend.


21 Grams has no point other than overacting and gimmicky editing.


Last Samurai is Western apologist bullshit.

I would have given M&C best picture.


Spidey's stealing of the pizza was the biggest moment of OMG THEY SPENT $200 MILLION ON THIS MOVIE AND THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO!??!?!?!!??! Fortunately the CG got marginally better from there on.


No salvation for you.

When I am king, you will be first against the waaaaalll...

I could have lived with that :razz:




The editing was the only thing I didn't particualyr like about 21 Grams, but as far as the rest goes, it was a magnificent movie and the acting was excellent. Thankfully, I don't need to feel myself in a minority on that movie.




And even that is better than M&C.





Well, thankfully, you are not the member of the Academy. It's not a secret that I loved ROTK, but that aside, Mystic River was miles better.




So you officially declare that it was worse than anything you've seen in Catwoman and Van Helsing?

And I don't feel myself in the minority for loving Master & Commander:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0311113/awards


Tell that to Ed Zwick for me.


Mystic River was very good. I'm not going to set up a war between Return of the King, Mystic River, Lost in Translation and Master and Commander... 4 of which (with the middiling Seabiscuit) make up one of the best Best Picture line ups in Academy History in my opinion.


The pizza scenes and the wolf scenes? They were the two scenes that got the most negative reaction for me. My Catwoman and Van Helsing radar wasn't even turned on while I was watching those.

They were definately the two most embarassasing CG scenes of the year when you compare money, effort and result.