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This bodes well for Wall-E (assuming it's as good as it looks) Quote: Was 'Ratatouille' ripped off in Oscar race?
Story Highlights +"Ratatouille" one of best-reviewed films of the year +Despite five nominations, none for best picture; it's put with animated works +Is that fair? Hard to say, but that's the way academy handles things
NEW YORK (AP) -- Among the tales of depravity and violence that dominate this year's Academy Awards race sits the bright and shining "Ratatouille." A rat never seemed so sanitized.
The Pixar film landed five Oscar nominations and was ranked by many critics as one of the year's best, yet was never a serious contender for best picture. Instead, it was relegated to the relatively new category of best animated feature, which the academy began dolling out in 2002.
Directed by Brad Bird, "Ratatouille" has garnered an aggregate score of 96 on Metacritic.com, ranking it above "Pulp Fiction," let alone this year's best picture candidates: "No Country for Old Men," "There Will Be Blood," "Juno," "Atonement" and "Michael Clayton."
And its other nominations across three different disciplines -- best original screenplay, best score, best sound mixing and best sound editing -- suggests the kind of broad consensus that often results in bigger awards like best director or best picture.
Its five nominations rank as the most ever for a computer animated film, and rate second among all animated films, only surpassed by the six received by Disney's "Beauty and the Beast." That picture, done in the traditional Disney style in 1991, stands as the only animated film to ever be nominated for best picture.
If not for the best animated feature category, it's safe to say "Ratatouille" would have been strongly considered for best picture. Brad Lewis, the film's producer, is quick to point out that he has no sour grapes with the academy -- and that he's ecstatic about the five widespread nominations.
Still, he has to wonder.
"Ultimately, it makes it perhaps too convenient for people to look at an animated film from an isolated perspective," said Lewis. "Somebody can say, 'You know what? We have a place for that, so we don't necessarily have to give it broader consideration.' "
Tom O'Neil, a columnist specializing in awards coverage for the Los Angeles Times' "The Envelope" Web site, has pondered whether "Ratatouille" -- which he calls the best reviewed movie of the year -- is the equivalent of "Beauty and the Beast," only it had to deal with the specialized category.
"Is this a case where it's penalized and ghettoized because there's a separate category for animated fare?" O'Neill said. "It seems to have the same respect in the industry and among film critics as 'Beauty and the Beast.' "
"Ratatouille," made by Walt Disney Company and its Pixar Animations Studios, is also not a conventional animated movie. Its framing is largely based on the techniques of classic filmmaking, and the story of a rat who dreams to be a chef has been called a Joycean "Portrait of the Artist as a Young Rat."
"I don't think people when they walk out of 'Ratatouille' the first thing that they're thinking about is 'I went and saw an animated film today,' " said Lewis. "It's partly because we're telling more sophisticated stories and I think it's because we have a more sophisticated filmmaking tool."
"Ratatouille" also has the support of that great international critical body: the French. The film, which is set in Paris and imbued with French culture, was No. 1 at France's box office for six weeks in a row -- surpassing a record set by "Titanic." After making $206 million at the domestic box office, "Ratatouille" made $410 million internationally.
Those totals are much greater than any of the best picture nominees, which combined haven't grossed as much domestically as "Ratatouille."
New York Times film critic A.O. Scott listed "Ratatouille" as one of the five films that deserved to be nominated for best picture. He earlier called it "a nearly flawless piece of popular art, as well as one of the most persuasive portraits of an artist ever committed to film."
That judgment is notable in part because it doesn't make use of the word "animated."
Lewis, who's working on directing a film for Pixar, cited fellow nominee "Persepolis" -- an animated French language film about a girl coming of age during the Islamic Revolution -- as proof of the breadth to animation today. (The third Oscar nominee is the more standard family fare of "Surf's Up.")
"The type of filmmaking that's taking place in the animation category is very broad," said Lewis. "And it's perhaps traveling beyond what people felt the parentheses of the industry were before."
And considering the increasing role that digital animation and computer-generated imagery play in the making of nearly all movies today, it's becoming difficult to firmly say what is and isn't animated. Just as "Ratatouille" reflects live-action filmmaking, live-action films like "King Kong" and "Transformers" often reflect animated works.
"It's folly to have a separate animated category because it hurts the chances of a movie like 'Ratatouille' for being in the best picture race," said O'Neil. "But considering the academy history and the fact that only once did they have the guts to do it, at least the little rat is getting the chance to be a big cheese in one category."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/ ... index.html
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Thing is I doubt Wall-E will be near as good Ratatouille
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You know, Ratatouille was cheated out of a Best Picture nomination, but let's be serious. The movie has five nominations. That's more than Best Picture nominee Juno has. Meanwhile, other highly acclaimed movies (*cough* Zodiac *cough*) came away with absolutely nothing.
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Thing is I doubt Wall-E will be near as good Ratatouille it's a completely different breed. It won't be an extraordinary human comedy like Ratatouille was, but it could be the next E.T., which would be better in some ways and worse in others. Regardless, I have a lot of faith in Andrew Stanton and, because of Ratatouille, Pixar.
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Way too early to tell how Wall-E will turn out. Billbob could be right in that it will be an ET style cute hit. Who knows. But Ratatouille is just amazing. It deserves to get all 5 Best Pic nominations 
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Totally agree on Ratatouille. It's a truly magnificent picture, which leaves you with pleasant warmth in your soul. I think it totally deserves a BP nomination as it is the rare movie which was so universally well accepted in each and every country it was released in. With few exceptions I think all categories of viewers fell in love with that simple and great story. This movie has soul, that's why it became the year's absolute international favourite. It appeals to the very best part in human beings. True masterpiece.
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Jim Halpert
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rat wasnt anything special
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Jim Halpert wrote: rat wasnt anything special I cast thee out, heathen!
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Sun Ra wrote: Jim Halpert wrote: rat wasnt anything special I cast thee out, heathen! I actually agree with him. I don't think of it as any more than a common story. Sure it's done well but ... I'm not feeling it.
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roo wrote: Sun Ra wrote: Jim Halpert wrote: rat wasnt anything special I cast thee out, heathen! I actually agree with him. I don't think of it as any more than a common story. Sure it's done well but ... I'm not feeling it. another one not drinking the kool-aid.
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Jim Halpert wrote: roo wrote: Sun Ra wrote: Jim Halpert wrote: rat wasnt anything special I cast thee out, heathen! I actually agree with him. I don't think of it as any more than a common story. Sure it's done well but ... I'm not feeling it. another one not drinking the kool-aid. Indeed, I can name 15 films in 07 that were better, Surfs Up being one of them.
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Jim Halpert wrote: rat wasnt anything special This is why Meet the Spartans opens to 20M...
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Wind Waker wrote: Jim Halpert wrote: rat wasnt anything special This is why Meet the Spartans opens to 20M... 
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What snub? I adore this film, and I'm satisfied with it's five nominations. It doesn't need a best picture film to qualify its standing among the 2007 releases. It very clearly is one of the best movies in recent years.
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If anything, it received too many nominations.
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Zingaling wrote: If anything, it received too many nominations.  *click click* Start running, boy
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I am more than fine with them putting animated movies in a separate category. I'd hate to see animated movies taking up space that something else could have gotten. I loved Ratatouille, but it's in the category it belongs in. They have a special category for documentaries too. It's more than fair. And this way more films can get nominated in best film categories. I like them having their own. 
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I just want an animated film to get nominated for BP (a win would be even better). It seems impossible though, only Beauty and the Beast has been nominated and that was when there wasn't a Best Animated Category (which I hate), I bet it would have been snubbed if that category existed back then. It's like they rank them below live action films by giving them their own award, and they have basically no shot in any of the bigger categories. I know you can't have Best Actor, Actress, etc. But Director and Picture are very possible.
There's usually at LEAST one animated film a year worth of being nominated.
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Mike wrote: I am more than fine with them putting animated movies in a separate category. I'd hate to see animated movies taking up space that something else could have gotten. I loved Ratatouille, but it's in the category it belongs in. They have a special category for documentaries too. It's more than fair. And this way more films can get nominated in best film categories. I like them having their own.  It's actually not fair to have these separate categories. There is NO line of division between animated films and documentaries, and other films. You have films that have some animation, and all films that feature CGI and computer animation are close kins of fully animated films.
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I hate to say it, but I rank animated movies below live-action ones. I'm just not big on animated movies. I've enjoyed several, but rarely will I watch one more than once, and most tend to be hard to sit through. I never see them in theaters. I loved them when I was a kid, but not so much now. Maybe if they made more adult animated movies, and I'm not just talking about anime. I'd like to see some horror ones too. Only a few I've loved a lot and been able to watch more than one time. Those are LILO & STITCH and SPIRIT. I've also watched FINDING NEMO a couple of times.
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With the more serious, dramatic focus of Best Picture (even though comedies, action movies, etc. are eligible) you should feel lucky that there is a category to award animated fare every year. Rat still would probably not have been nominated for Best Picture.
Actors (who make up a large voting block) and directors and cinematographers and the like all make their art and living off live fare and most of the categories play to this. The Beauty and the Beast nomination was an absolute miracle.
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billybobwashere
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I think it's nice that "Ratatouille" at least has a sure win at its back, whereas "Toy Story" got nothing, but if it ultimately sacrificed a possible BP nom for an Animated Feature win, that's a bit disappointing.
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Ratatouille is the most overrated movie at KJ.
It was good but at times i was bored and it wasn't really funny at all, nothing more than a few chuckles. Also aside from the rat being the cook, it is really nothing different from any other feel good movie.
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Films like Ratatouille, Juno and Children of Men get some serious backlash on here.
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I am in the camp with those that say Ratatouille wasn't special.
Sure, it was good, pretty good actually. I gave it a B+ too, but I've seen enough better films in 2007 and it wasn't even the best Pixar film.
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