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Joker's Thug #3
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 Zodiac getting f'ed by it's own studio?
Interesting perspective on why Paramount/Dreamworks is handling the film the way they are by Jeff Wells.
Quote: From: Jeffrey Wells, Hollywood Elsewhere. To: Dreamamount publicity/ marketing. Re: An open letter about the selling of David Fincher's Zodiac (currently set for release on 1.19.07).
Greetings and salutations, guys: I'm writing to ask what the upside is in not platform-releasing Zodiac at the end of December, which is what certain Dreamamount parties are apparently against at this stage. A late December release, obviously, will put Zodiac into the derby and make it eligible for whatever possible critic awards and or Academy nominations that may result. This, obviously, would fortify the 1.19 general release to some extent.
Not putting Zodiac<em> out as an '06 platform end-of-December release strikes me as nonsensical, certainly from the standpoint of Zodiac's admirers or from the standpoint of any kind of opportunistic, fair-shake approach to creative marketing. Clearly, going out cold on 1.19 without the buildup of a December platform opening isn't going to help.
Zodiac is, I'm hearing, a serious quality-level piece. It's also a longish cerebral procedural, a '70s period dramae, a non-conventional cop thriller. It needs some media massaging to help prime the pump.
The word around town is that there are two reasons that certain parties with Dreamamount may be against the platform-release idea:
(a) Dreamamount will have four films in Oscar contention by the end of the year (Flags of Our Fathers, Dreamgirls, Babel, World Trade Center) and some p.r. and marketing people think that a fifth film in the hopeful-Oscar-pipeline will strain the resources of Dreamamount marketing/publicity and cause this or that film to receive less of an Oscar push effort (in terms of manpower and/or ad dollars), and...
(b) DreamWorks honcho David Geffen wants an all-out, balls-to-the-wall Oscar push for Dreamgirls, which is his pesonal baby, and he doesn't want to hear about a fifth film potentially sapping the energy or marketing budgets allocated for Dreamgirls, let alone the other three.
What does Paramount/DreamWorks think about all this? What do readers think? Is there merit to the David Geffen theory? This issue has been festering for a long while and I'd like to get some reactions from all corners.
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives ... ac_ete.php
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Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:02 pm |
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ashwani
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Well this is one stupid asshole studio.
Any other studio would have marketed all their movies properly.
FOX, WB, SONY and UNIVERSAL all would have marketed their oscar calibur movies properly.
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Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:15 pm |
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Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:30 pm |
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Shack
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Quote: DreamWorks honcho David Geffen wants an all-out, balls-to-the-wall Oscar push for Dreamgirls, which is his pesonal baby, and he doesn't want to hear about a fifth film potentially sapping the energy or marketing budgets allocated for Dreamgirls, let alone the other three.
That's bad news for Flags, eh? Dreamgirls is getting the big Dreamworks push.
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Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:03 pm |
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Gulli
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That is idiotic. Whatever about Oscars don't they want the bloody movie to make some money.
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Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:47 pm |
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Anonymous
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business decision makes sense. But I need my Fincher fix.
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Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:00 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Oh boy, now I hope even more than ever for Dreamgirls to disappoint. Seriously if it does, I'll be in utter joy.
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Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:21 pm |
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Oh boy, now I hope even more than ever for Dreamgirls to disappoint. Seriously if it does, I'll be in utter joy.

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Joker's Thug #3
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Quote: A filmmaker friend has passed along some info about David Fincher and Zodiac, by way of an editor pal who knows a sound mixer who worked on Zodiac a while back.
"This girl is very smart and cool," this guy says. "She's very much the San Franciso arty girl who hates a lot of Hollywood shit and is funny talking about working on all the shit she does. Anyway, she said Zodiac is fucking brilliant and so amazing and smart. I really, really trust this girl. She says the movie is great and that George Lucas was blown away by it.
"She also said that Robert Downey, Jr. gives an incredible Oscar-level performance.
"But here's my favorite detail. The first half of the movie, which takes place in the late '60s, is mixed mono when all of radio was AM and with the advent of FM, in the chronology of the film as the calendar moves into the '70s, the movie turns stereo. Such a great idea. She said that Fincher has the best ears of anyone other than David Lynch.
"The other point to make here is that if Zodiac sucked there's noway Dreamamount would ever greenlight Fincher's Benjamin Button project, which will star Brad Pitt."
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives ... rumble.php
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android
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Oh boy, now I hope even more than ever for Dreamgirls to disappoint. Seriously if it does, I'll be in utter joy.
I think everyone here (or at least 99% of the people) is hoping for a disappointment (including me) 
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Dr. Lecter
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android wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Oh boy, now I hope even more than ever for Dreamgirls to disappoint. Seriously if it does, I'll be in utter joy. I think everyone here (or at least 99% of the people) is hoping for a disappointment (including me) 
The more the merrier
Sadly there are still folks like Loyal and Libs here hoping for the opposite 
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zennier
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Dr. Lecter wrote: android wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Oh boy, now I hope even more than ever for Dreamgirls to disappoint. Seriously if it does, I'll be in utter joy. I think everyone here (or at least 99% of the people) is hoping for a disappointment (including me)  The more the merrier  Sadly there are still folks like Loyal and Libs here hoping for the opposite 
I too hope it falls flat on its face. Especially if it is the real reason Zodiac can't manage to get a 2006 opening.
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Harry Warden
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android wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Oh boy, now I hope even more than ever for Dreamgirls to disappoint. Seriously if it does, I'll be in utter joy. I think everyone here (or at least 99% of the people) is hoping for a disappointment (including me) 
Count me in as well. Can't stand all these musicals. Hate almost all of them.
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:32 am |
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Anonymous
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I don't get the hate but whatever, more people to laugh at when it kills during the award season. 
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:42 am |
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andaroo1
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Fox Searchlight Pictures wrote: I don't get the hate but whatever
It's simple.
They don't like black people.
I however LOVE black people.  except Tyler Perry
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zennier
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andaroo wrote: Fox Searchlight Pictures wrote: I don't get the hate but whatever It's simple. They don't like black people. I however LOVE black people.  except Tyler Perry
Tyler Perry is black people.

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Anonymous
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Funny you say that Roo. Harry over at AICN has a theory that his readers are racists and homophobic because of their Dreamgirls dislike.
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:20 pm |
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Fox Searchlight Pictures wrote: Funny you say that Roo. Harry over at AICN has a theory that his readers are racists and homophobic because of their Dreamgirls dislike.
Why would homophobes hate Beyonce?
Or are all gay people supposed to love Dreamgirls, because it is about singers in sparkly dresses?
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Dr. Lecter
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I'm fine with being considered a homophobic racist (hey I could star in the Crash sequel!) as long as Dreamgirls fails.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: I'm fine with being considered a homophobic racist (hey I could star in the Crash sequel!) as long as Dreamgirls fails.

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MadGez
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Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23339 Location: Melbourne Australia
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hehe funny because as I was reading the article I was thinking about how badly I want Dreamgirls to fail - and then I read all the anti-dreamgirls posts  well done!
I think its disgraceful that they are doing this to Zodiac. Even if they gave it a platform - it will atleast help the film and may not have any effect on any of the others. And its a bit worrying for (potentially) quality films like Flags and Babbel - that they will get shafted for Geffen's baby. 
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MadGez
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The whole "market" our film for Oscar system stinks too. Cream should rise to the top and awards shouldnt be bought. In some ways - Zodiac should be released in a non awards season time (though Jan is silly) as really we should be seeing quality films year round and not just in the Sept-Dec period.
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Maverikk
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Here's an interesting Zodiac piece, along with several other interesting things. Zodiac shouldn't be held back because of office politics... If it's ready to go, give it it's release date, especially if the quietly is there. I've been waiting for this for over a year, damnit!  It'll be interesting to see if there is a 2006 release dated for it, and if that in any way reflects Dreamgirls quality.
http://hollywoodwiretap.com/?module=new ... ry&id=6394
Quote: Two years ago, eventual Best Picture Oscar victor, ?Million Dollar Baby? had not even been officially announced as a 2004 release. Warner Bros. didn?t do that until September 30th and the film wasn?t screened for select press until mid-November when its heavy courtship with Oscar began in earnest. Ever since then, crafty producers have dreamed of coming up with their own ?Million Dollar Baby,? a stealth campaign that takes the media and industry by surprise and upsets the entire rhythm of the awards dance.
Is that scenario in the cards for David Fincher?s ?Zodiac?? This adaptation of the Robert Graysmith book about the notorious Zodiac serial killer who roamed San Francisco in the 60s and 70s is currently scheduled to open through domestic distributor Paramount on January 19, 2007 (Warner Bros. is handling the international release).
Fincher is now completing editing and mixing and the film should be pretty much wrapped in a couple of weeks. Sources are saying it is brilliantly made with great performances across the board. The cast includes Jake Gyllenhaal, Robert Downey Jr., Mark Ruffalo and Anthony Edwards. And even though Fincher?s hard edged previous films (?Fight Club,? ?Panic Room,? ?Se7en?) have received a grand total of 2 Academy nods in tech categories, this is said to be the one that could change that pattern.
That is, if ?Zodiac? receives a qualifying run in December ahead of its wide January release. If it has to wait until next year, the odds are long since January films are a distant memory come nomination time. But hope remains that Fincher?s film will still be a part of this year?s kudos story. We have been told that it is a complex situation and there are ?discussions that are probably going to take place.?
One hurdle may be that Paramount really doesn?t need another picture going for the gold this year since they already have ?World Trade Center? and the upcoming Dreamworks?films ?Flags Of Our Fathers? (Oct 20) and ?Dreamgirls? (Dec 21). And although it is a completely separate entity, specialty division Paramount Vantage has a major contender in Alejandro Gonzalez Inarittu?s ?Babel? (Oct 27).
Further, ?Zodiac? co-producer Mike Medavoy who runs Phoenix Pictures, the production entity behind the movie, has two other films of his own to deal with in this week?s ?All The King?s Men? and December?s anticipated Renee Zellweger drama, ?Miss Potter? for The Weinstein Company.
But if ?Zodiac? really does deliver the goods as those few who have seen it believe, then how can it be denied a passport to the Kodak? After all, remember 1974. One studio accounted for three, count ?em , ?three? of the five Best Picture Oscar nominations. The movies were ?The Godfather Part II,? ?Chinatown? and ?The Conversation.? The studio was, you guessed it, Paramount.
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MadGez
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Hmm.... I think there may be a chance they bring it into 2006 at the last minute - I guess they are waiting on the final prognosis on Dreamgirls quality. The thing is - if they were serious about not including it in 06 (and it is indeed of high quality) - why would they dump it in January (where BO may be ok) but it will have almost no chance of oscar/awards at the end of 2007. So they would be totally sacrificing it which Im not convinced of yet. Surely they would be better to delay it to 4th Quarter 07!??
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Joker's Thug #3
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Theres really nothing to lose by giving it a limited release at the end of December if it's worth it, some films are falling off, this could creep in there and would lead to it doing better then it would just coming out in January with no way of awards pushing it's BO
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