...we are going to have a Best Picture winner that did not get a Best Editing nomination. That is rather rare, but then again, so are many things that happened this year.

You think the Best Editing snub for BBM hurt it in any way?

I don't really think so. I still don't see any other movie upsetting it.

Not really.

Many films that won best picture failed win for editing. Beautiful Mind lost in the category (Black Hawk Down won), Million Dollar Baby lost to Aviator, Shakespeare in Love lost to Private Ryan. American Beauty lost to the Matrix. Gladiator lost to Traffic. That's quite a list.

It won't affect BBM, except potentially in the victory total column.

It's an odd snub; BBM's editing is wonderful. I think Walk The Line's nod is humorous; it's plodding, poorly edited third act nearly sinks the film.

Not winning is one thing. Not getting nominated is another, especially for a frontrunner.

Its not a sign of weakness; its just a sign that the clean, subtle and meticulous cutting and pacing of the film was overlooked. As subtlety so often is.

Compare that to something like Constant Gardener. The editing becomes the picture. For BBM, the editing is done in such a way that it isn't noticed.

Editing category must have been very close. I don't see it as a sign of weakness, and when everybody votes for every category, I doubt the voters will say "hey, Brokeback wasn't nominated for editing, maybe I shouldn't vote it for BP then."

two words: Cinderella Man ugh..

and yeah, voters don't look at the overall picture when they're voting for these categories.. otherwise, they would give Editing to both GNAGL and BBM instead of that Ron Howard movie and Walk the Line..

Ordinary People I think is the last BP winner not to get an editing nomination.

It is strange, although I doubt it'll affect the way the Academy votes. It could, possibly, be a sign that support for the movie isn't as high as everyone thinks though.

But I still don't see it losing either...

Ang is winning BD, Munich is winning BP.

You heard it here first (and probably last).

I think it may be a sign that the BP nominees nominated for Editing could act as potential spoilers in BP. Most likely to spoil in my opinion would be Crash, then Munich, then GNAGL. I think Capote is the only BP nominee that has absolutely no chance of winning.

What's selling me on Brokeback still winning BP, other than all the precursors, is the fact that Gyllenhaal, aka the weakest acting link, got into Supporting Actor. I think if they were more in favor of the other movies we'd have seen multiple noms for Crash in that category, Langella for GNAGL, and someone for Munich. I do have a sinking feeling that Crash may take BP but I hope it's just pessimism.

What's even sadder is that Geraldnie Peroni, the editor of Brokeback Mountain, died in 2004. This is his last film, and they couldn't even honor him.

That was probably the case with John C. Rilley and Clint Eastwood scoring noms for Chicago and Million Dollar Baby -- the so-called rising-tide effect. However, Gyllenhaal's nomination wasn't a surprise like Rilley's or Eastwood's, but BBM's snub in editing was. That's what's bothering me.

1981 was also the last time BP matched 5 for 5 with BD.

Yep. I see a pattern there..


And yeah, the fact that Peroni died last year makes me even more sad for this snub.. I'm not saying that you should honor a person just because he/she died recently but when that person does a tremendous work in that year - like Conrad Hall in Road to Perdition - and specially when that person worked in the fruntrunner... tsc..

Hmmm...is there actually any chance for BBM to lose Best Picture after it won PGA and DGA? Saving Private Ryan won both as well, but lost to SiL. The thin gis that there is simply no movie that could challenge BBM. Munich, Capote and Crash were all not even nominated for the Globe and it hasn't happened in 30 years that a movie without a GG Best Picture nom won the Oscar.

There's one big (literally) reason that Shakespeare In Love could upset while this year's runner-ups cannot: Harvey Weinstein.

Right? All the other four are on my top 10 list for the year. Munich: #1, Good Night and Good Luck: #3, Brokeback Mountain: #5, and Capote: #9. Yet somehow I get the distinct feeling the movie I liked least this year (except for F4, and the movies I basically skipped rather than see) is going to sneak in for gold. I can't tell if I'm depressed or excited, as at least this vague premonition adds some suspense to the race.

Loyal, Munich walks home empty handed, War of the Worlds gets two wins. Odd, isn't it?

It's a good news/bad news situation:

Good News: It would take a miracle for BBM to lose.

Bad News: If that miracle should occur, Crash would be the one, the only one, to take BBM's place in the winner's circle.

You guys are starting to buy the "Crash" win hype that the media will probably bring over the next few weeks just to give some suspense to the race..

It can't. It just can't.


Shakespeare in Love had Harvey AND 13 nominations.. and the Golden Globe, and SAG and WGA.. Crash has a 6.5 million budget and an independent company (Lions Gate) that's way smaller than Focus - which is the new Miramax in case you haven't noticed... Sandra Bullock is no Harvey

When was the last time a movie with 6 nominations won BP? (Probably Ordinary People, and that one had 3 acting nominations)

And when was the last time a movie with 6 nominations AND with no Picture GG nomination won BP? The Sting had 10 noms, you know (the nominations leader along with The Exorcist).. so you got to go much further than that...

Not to mention the release date and the box-office.. Brokeback will outgross it this week...


I don't think they'll give us what is arguably the biggest shock in history, just one year after Million Dollar Baby vs. The Aviator..

Hmmm, I don't think anyone is buying it. I still think BBM will win, I was just wondering. The Sting actually won DGA and PGA, I think, and that is something none of the other films here can brag with.

The box-office argument doesn't work, though, considering SPR made more than twice as much as SiL did

the combination of box office with all of these hurts it though - and the main difference between Shakespeare and Crash regarding the box-office is that one was still in theaters at this point, so it had the opportunity to make +100 million with the awards push..

The thing is: if it wasn't the editing snub for BBM (and to a lesser extent, the SAG win for Crash), we wouldn't be having this discussion...

As I said before, if BBM were to lose, it would have been to a lighter film such as King Kong. There is no light film among the nominees this year. They are all serious, and they all appeal to the blue states. I don't see any serious movement to push for another film to overcome BBM, since the industry insiders are happy to see BBM win, not like the year where Jack Nicholson asked everybody to vote for Brody and The Pianist or the year where the actors organized to be behind Soderbergh's Traffic.

Nicholson did that?

That's what I remembered hearing. Nicholson was campaigning for Brody.