Match Point Thread - Dark Horse/Major Contender?
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Dr. Lecter
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 Match Point Thread - Dark Horse/Major Contender?
I think this movie has enough Oscar hype already to warrant its own thread.
In the past 3-4 years, each year a Woody Allen movies came out (or even two) that was supposed to be his "great comeback" and it never eneded up being so. The most recent example is this year's Melinda and Melinda. While the movies usually scored decent reviews, they failed at the box-office and were forgotten by the time any awards arrived.
This year promises to be different. Really.
Match Point apparently is really the master's comeback. It has been released in Spain and France thus far, to pretty good reviews and box-office-wise it is tracking there better than all recent Allen flicks. In the USA, the movie comes out in LA/NYC on December 28th and expands on January 20th.
All signs points at quite a strong Oscar contender. After the first trailers, people have noticed that it looked quite different from Allen's usual quirky flicks. This one is more serious. It also doesn't feature Allen as a star, but just as a director and screenwriter.
Once the first reviews came in and the year itself started looking weaker and weaker, Match Point, slowly, but gradually developed from just a possibility, to a real dark horse and by now with more reviews in and movies like Jarhead failing and Memoirs of a Geisha not lookiong so strong anymore, it is picking up even more buzz.
It stands at 100% at RT with 12 reviews in and an Average Rating of 8.4/10.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10005366-match_point/
That is quite excellent if you ask me. Here is the link to the glowing Variety review
The IMDB score stands at 8.0/10 with 842 votes in.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416320/
I think that it really starts to become more and more of a contender as the year gets weaker. While I am still not sure about a Best Picture nom, I am fairly sure that Allen will get one for Directing and one for Writing.
Here is what I predict as of now:
Best Director
Best Original Screenplay
Best Supporting Actress (Scarlett Johansson)
I'll compile Woody Allen's Oscar hisoty in the next post.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:57 am |
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Harry Warden
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Yeah, this could really sneak up on people, even moreso than Million Dollar Baby last year. I wouldn't rule out Johnasson for a nom either.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:02 am |
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Christian
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Thanks for the thread Artur!
Definitely seems like true-to-form Woody (even a departure to his style, maybe) so if his Oscar trend (with his good movies) continue - Supporting Actress is a definite lock. The guy can get Jennifer Tilly nominated and Mira Sorvino actually win! Dianne Wiest won twice with him at the helm.
Director and Screenplay - possible. People can't forget his post-9/11 Oscar appearance and with this movie getting good buzz, we shall see.
Definite dark horse for Picture.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:12 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Woody Allen's Oscar History:
Wins in bold
Sweet and Lowdown:
Best Actor (Sean Penn) Best Actress (Samantha Morton)
Deconstructing Harry:
Best Original Screenplay
Mighty Aphrodite:
Best Supporting Actress (Mira Sorvino)
Best Original Screenplay
Bullets over Broadway:
Best Supporting Actress (Dianne Wiest )
Best Supporting Actress (Jennifer Tilly)
Best Supporting Actor (Chazz Palminteri)
Best Director Best Original Screenplay Best Art Direction Best Costume Design
Husbands and Wives:
Best Supporting Actress (Judy Davis) Best Original Screenplay
Alice:
Best Original Screenplay
Crimes and Misdemeanors:
Best Supporting Actor (Martin Landau) Best Director Best Original Screenplay
Radio Days:
Best Art Direction Best Original Screenplay
Hannah and Her Sisters:
Best Supporting Actor (Michael Caine) Best Supporting Actress (Dianne Wiest) Best Original Screenplay
Best Art Direction Best Editing Best Director Best Picture
The Purple Rose of Cairo:
Best Original Screenplay
Broadway Danny Rose:
Best Original Screenplay Best Director
Zelig:
Best Cinematography Best Costume Design
Manhattan:
Best Supporting Actress (Mariel Hemingway) Best Original Screenplay
Interiors:
Best Actress (Geraldine Page) Best Supporting Actress (Maureen Stapleton) Best Art Direction Best Original Screenplay Best Director
Annie Hall:
Best Actress (Diane Keaton) Best Original Screenplay Best Director Best Picture
Best Actor (Woody Allen)
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Whew, that was a lot.
So we have 44 nominations for his movies and 9 wins. Five of them are acting wins and of those three are for Best Supporting Actress.
Also, out of 44 noms, 7 are for Best Supporting Actress. Bodes well for Johasson, right?
Moreover, he has got 6 Best Director nominations and a whopping 13 Best Original Screenplay noms, however only 2 Best Picture noms.
Feel free to discuss.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:25 am |
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andaroo1
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Screenplay seems solid.
Not sure about anything else. Supporting Actress is surprisingly competative this year.
Director is not out of the question. Picture seems like a reach. A movie with 4 nominations getting a Picture nod usually isn't that strong of a contendor, and this one will have to stretch to get all 4.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:16 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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andaroo wrote: Not sure about anything else. Supporting Actress is surprisingly competative this year.
It is? I didn't notice.
And IF the reviews hold up, it might end up as this year's Sideways in terms of critics' reactions and reviews and in terms of noms.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:22 am |
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andaroo1
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It won't be Sideways. Sideways had the build like Lost in Translation (was released in October). Match Point will be more immediate and quick critical build.
Good Night and Good Luck fits the Sideways mold better.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:33 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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andaroo wrote: It won't be Sideways. Sideways had the build like Lost in Translation (was released in October). Match Point will be more immediate and quick critical build.
Good Night and Good Luck fits the Sideways mold better.
Yes, I agree on the latter.
Maybe like M$B, then. But it lacks the high profile.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:36 am |
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andaroo1
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M$B had 3 acting potentials and a definate win (Swank), even this far out.
Match Point just has no real comparison at this point. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a bit uncharted.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:45 am |
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torrino
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andaroo wrote: Screenplay seems solid.
Not sure about anything else. Supporting Actress is surprisingly competative this year.
Director is not out of the question. Picture seems like a reach. A movie with 4 nominations getting a Picture nod usually isn't that strong of a contendor, and this one will have to stretch to get all 4.
I think Academy voters would be hard-pressed to nominate Shirley MacLaine, Maria Bello, and Rachel Weisz over a girl who has 3 Golden Globe nominations without a single one translating to an Oscar nomination. Plus, Match Point will actually be campaigned for. I don't think studios will be doing much for In Her Shoes, A History of Violence, and The Constant Gardener, and I certainly don't think the voters will find these candidates' performances anymore worthy than Johansson's (judging from what I've heard about the movie...).
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:41 pm |
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torrino
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andaroo wrote: Match Point just has no real comparison at this point. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a bit uncharted.
The Pianist, maybe? Both directors have "dark" pasts, both movies are comebacks, and both are opening limited right after Christmas.
...and both have young, in-their-late-20s, experienced-with-indie-films in the lead.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:43 pm |
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Raffiki
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As much as I think it will gain alot of buzz in the last act of the Oscar race before the noms and my agreement that it's turning into the dark-horse of the contenders, I just don't see it nominated for Best Picture...
Best Screenplay
Best Director
Best Supporting Actress
I think it is DEFINITELY going to score in those 3 and only in those 3!
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:46 pm |
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kypade
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I dunno.
I had it basically all over a month ago, going on hopes and instinct, but then kinda lost interest...
If it starts getting a little push via critics, reviews, and the etc, it could expand into some noms, I imagine. But I just don't really know.
I'm definitely looking extremely forward to it.
a nom/win in Director and SActress would pretty much make my year, though...only a Kong nom would be better, really. 
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:02 pm |
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Should the reviews remain strong and the buzz remain, I think Allen will get a nod for Director. Pulling off a project like this really shows he can be versatile, and I think the academy will want to recognize that.
As for BSA, it is rather crowded this year. Until the movie is released, we can do little more than speculate as to the quality of Johansson's performance. It seems to early to see if she's got the right stuff to garner an Oscar nom.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:21 pm |
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xiayun
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torrino wrote: andaroo wrote: Match Point just has no real comparison at this point. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a bit uncharted. The Pianist, maybe? Both directors have "dark" pasts, both movies are comebacks, and both are opening limited right after Christmas. ...and both have young, in-their-late-20s, experienced-with-indie-films in the lead.
And both were hot commodities at Cannes.
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Dr. Lecter
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xiayun wrote: torrino wrote: andaroo wrote: Match Point just has no real comparison at this point. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a bit uncharted. The Pianist, maybe? Both directors have "dark" pasts, both movies are comebacks, and both are opening limited right after Christmas. ...and both have young, in-their-late-20s, experienced-with-indie-films in the lead. And both were hot commodities at Cannes.
But The Pianist won there.
And its topic of Holocaust immediately multiplies its chances by 100.
By the way, in the case of The Pianist it was the first time that I ever read that something actually leaked about how close the winning movie and the runner-up were. Apparently (I read so at some sites) The Pianist lost out to Chicago for Best Picture by a really small margin.
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torrino
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Dr. Lecter wrote: xiayun wrote: torrino wrote: andaroo wrote: Match Point just has no real comparison at this point. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a bit uncharted. The Pianist, maybe? Both directors have "dark" pasts, both movies are comebacks, and both are opening limited right after Christmas. ...and both have young, in-their-late-20s, experienced-with-indie-films in the lead. And both were hot commodities at Cannes. But The Pianist won there.
Allen's movie wasn't in competition at Cannes, though.
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Dr. Lecter
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torrino wrote: Allen's movie wasn't in competition at Cannes, though.
I know, but the fact that The Pianist still won there was already a good sign since we cannot find out whether MP would have won or not. It would have not possibly fared better than The Pianist there, at least just as well. That's all we know. The Pianist was starting out on a higher note due to the win.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:49 pm |
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If reviews stay this strong it has a definite shot at a nod for best picture, especially considering alot of oscar hyped movies arent really living up to the hype. Allen probably easily has a nod for best director guaranteed, from the reviews it seems as though he really nailed it this time and the fact it's something diffrent really helps.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:01 pm |
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MovieDude
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I think a more suitable comparison is House of Sand and Fog, if one needed to be given. That said, I don't expect this will get more then one acting nomination, if any at all.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:01 pm |
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xiayun
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House of Sand and Fog was the directing debut for its director, a far cry from the name of Woody Allen. It also had considerably less buzz. I'd rather use Muholland Drive, but overall I don't think there is truely a good comparison. We'll just have to wait and see how critic awards pan out.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:13 pm |
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There are simply not good recent comparisons, I agree.
The Pianist is really notz a bad one, except for that it won at Cannes and its topic which is already Oscar-bait in itself.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:06 am |
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andaroo1
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torrino wrote: andaroo wrote: Match Point just has no real comparison at this point. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a bit uncharted. The Pianist, maybe? Both directors have "dark" pasts, both movies are comebacks, and both are opening limited right after Christmas.
The Pianist had an amazing performance and a lot of technical potentials.
Don't count Bello out for an award nomination.
I'm not the one talking about In Her Shoes so...
Oh and yes, Johanesson's been overlooked (and it was criminal), but she's not the only actress to be overlooked for fantastic performances.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:27 am |
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Hmmm
93% at RT with 14 reviews, 13 fresh, 1 rotten. Average Rating: 7.8/10
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10005366-match_point/
The one negative review gave the movie 1/5, singlehandedly bringing the movie's average rating down from 8.4/10 to 7.8/10 and it called it the worst movie of the year.
Here's the review:
Quote: Woody Allen is Back... With the Worst Movie of the Year For six years now, critics and audiences have been trying to come to terms with a sad and uncomfortable truth: Woody Allen is finished. The man who made some of the best American comedies of the late twentieth century has nothing to left to say in the twenty-first. It was a long, steep way down from the heights of "Annie Hall" to "Curse of the Jade Scorpion," from the sublime "Manhattan" to the abysmal "Hollywood Ending." So it's no wonder that adoring fans defend Allen's increasingly awful output every step of the way. They simply refuse to believe that the neurotic New York auteur hasn't made a decent movie this millennium yet.
And so it has become a predictable ritual: with every new release, the "advance buzz" is "great" and our hopes are stoked that "this one" marks Woody's return to form! Shot entirely in London, "Match Point" was a smash at Cannes! The new location liberated Woody from his creative rut! (And please forget that we said exactly the same thing about the last five duds.)
If you'll excuse my French: it's all rubbish. "Match Point" is, shot for shot, the worst movie I have seen all year, an uninspired, sloppy rehash of any number of noir morality tales, a mangled carbon copy of a long line of superior films. To praise this cobbled-together mess in the same breath with Allen's classic films is to insult his past greatness. The new setting--filthy rich upper class London instead of ludicrously expensive upper class New York--still amounts to a fantasy world of the wealthy. As for the jokes... there are no jokes.
Instead, we get ill-conceived cardboard characters, none of them likable, who act out a preordained plot without any concern for their own motivations or the laws of plausibility and continuity. Chris Wilton (Jonathan Rhys Meyers) starts out as an affable former tennis pro who becomes a coach for the upper crust, but half an hour into the film, after romancing the wealthy Chloe Hewitt (Emily Mortimer), he heads straight into the business world, where he morphs from mildly sympathetic social climber to homicidal monster, equally driven by lust and ambition--apparently at random. He's too stupid to use contraceptives with his mistress (Scarlett Johansson), but smart enough to dupe Chloe into marriage.
Chloe starts out lively and good natured but swiftly turns into the grating caricature of a baby-obsessed nag. Scarlett Johansson's talents are wasted as hopeful and headstrong American actress who, halfway through the film, mutates into a shrill, dependent adulteress who doesn't know how to make a phone call without male help. In the heat of passion, her shirt gets torn off her ample breasts, and in embarrassingly obvious scenes, she whines the worst lines of her budding career. (Yes, that does include the Jerry Bruckheimer flop "The Island.")
Other characters drop by to fulfill certain plot requirements and disappear altogether, or make inexplicable entrances ten minutes before the film is over--after 124 interminable minutes. Scenes drag on way past the time they served their purpose, and others are altogether pointless. Cliches, plot holes and major improbabilities multiply, making "Match Point" a veritable encyclopedia of poor scriptwriting, and it is hard to escape the suspicion that Woody Allen has no clue how real people think or act.
Source: http://worldfilm.about.com/od/k/fr/matchpoint.htm
The most hateful review for a potential Oscar contender I have read in a while.
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andaroo1
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Reviews are nice, but what Match Point needs desperately is to end up on year end lists and to win some major critic awards.
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:34 am |
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