Guys, it made more than 500 Million+ with critical acclaim, buzz everywhere. We are all stupid that we considered it.

Well, the good news is that Batman Forever is not the most-nominated Batman movie anymore...

Exactly. It's the Oscars! Regardless of any other intangibles, they were never gonna care about a comic book superhero movie. We were all so blind.

The fact that people like Spielberg were championing it for the race, along with an entire studio, and the DGA/PGA/WGA, I don't feel that blind.

I don't think TDK missed because of comic book or superhero roots (though that didn't help). It missed more moreso because it's an action/popcorn movie. They didn't nominate T2 or Aliens either.

The comic book genre isn't dead at the Oscars. They just need to make the Beauty and the Beast to TDK's Aladdin. Oscar just has a habit of considering drama to be better than everything else, it's annoying but whatever.

To be honest though, making headway at all those guilds and picking up 8 nominations IS pretty solid and unusual for the underrespected popcorn/blockbuster/etc. branch. TDK's award run is not a complete failure.

Aladdin came out after Beast.

And taking the spot of Dick Tracy as the most nominated comic book film and being basically the Aliens of the decade is pretty cold comfort. But you know, fuck them. They'll be laughed at in twenty years for this as well. You remember any other films from 1986? I got...Platoon, and nothing else except the not-nominated-for-BP Blue Velvet.

TDK is about as dramatic as a comic book movie is gonna get. What more do you want?

It's still an action/popcorn film a la Aliens and T2. Which the academy ignores just about all the time. Star Wars made it because it's Star Wars. That being original material helped it a lot too though

LOTR definitely fell more in line with the academy's dramatic tastes, IMO... it had "action" somewhat but it wasn't the explosions, cars flipping over, Michael Bay associated type of action the academy has a bias against. Or even like Road to Perdition which just missed, fits.

TDK just cannot stand on its own as a complete film. There were many things in it that went unresolved or inconclusive. Also, it relied on many shock factors from Ledger's and Eckhart's characters to build up dramas. You know shock factors usually do not appeal to the AMPAS.

Oh and for the record while I do like/love TDK... to me the LOTR movies being such an incredibly grandiose overall film achievement and creating such a large world, I feel they commanded the awards and accolades to come for them from the beginning more than TDK, which was a regular summer blockbuster from the beginning and then fell into the role of contender as the reviews and box-office came in. If that makes sense.

Maybe if TDK took place in the 70's or 80's or any time that wasn't the present, as the Academy seems to hate things that take place in this day and age. There's one reason LOTR made it and TDK didn't, it was a period piece!

It's odd, they generally don't nominate movies that take place in the present but if a movie comes out further back than a couple months from nomination time it's usually forgotten. It seems their ideal film is a period piece that opens in November/December so it's fresh in their minds. They want it both ways, the bitches.

They should release the next Batman film in December.

I'm very happy that we turned out to be right. The Dark Knight is a horrible film, and thankfully the Academy came to that realization. Unfortunately, it didn't get the memo about some of the other films, but this is encouraging. If only they had ignored Ledger too. I mean, it's not as if he would have turned in his grave if he was snubbed. Or maybe he would have? Haha.


Oh well.

If I would've said something like this, I'd be lynched for it, but apparently, you get a pass.. How hypocritical can you get KJ??

To me... as a film, The Dark Knight is excellent (mostly) in execution but feels rather cold. You are watching these things happen on screen and are interested in them, but it really doesn't speak to the "human condition" like the other nominated films and some of the other films up on the board.

Like I said, it's a cold film. I think there are grander elements to it, but as a viewer I felt very detached because these emotions are playing out EXTREMELY dramatically in people in make-up and rubber suits. You could argue the same about Lord of the Rings, but LOTR has a deeper dramatic history behind the movies and in the end is much more emotional/warm.

A lot of people hook into TDK more intensly than the academy might have because maybe they are fans of Batman or have passion for the characters.

And because they are not very well-read or have not seen enough films.

just like people in love with children of men. i think i understand.

Children of Men > The Dark Knight

I know right? Kind of too obvious right?

TDK gets an A+ and CoM an A+

That settles it.

The Dark Knight gets an A...if I'm in a good mood, Children of Men gets an A+ everytime.

Where?

Not among the people I talk to - - most saw through this sham, and recognized it as simply a triumph of marketing, nothing more...

Not in the rest of the world - - only the US BO was strong - - the BO total in all other countries of the world didn't even crack $500m...

How dare you bring this "praise" talk to our thread in celebration of the Academy's sensibility in NOT nominating TDK!