congratulations to brokeback mountain for a great showing!

If any movie from the Oscar race is remembered 5 years from now, it's BBM

Interesting trivia, all directors which won their second DGA seen their films (that won them the 2nd DGA) win the BEst Picture Oscar.

I think you're confusing BBM with Cinderella Man, Goldie..

I don't know what movie will be remembered for a longer time, Crash or BBM. It may have as many haters here at WOKJ, but the fact is that it does stand firmly on IMDB's Top 100, at #70 as of now which is higher than many many acclaimed films, like Forrest Gump, both Kill Bill films, CTHD, Mystic River, Sideways etc.. Whereas BBM has yet to make it inside of the Top 250. I have little doubts that it will eventually, but it won't come close to Crash. Therefore, I think it is early to say that BBM will be the race's most remembered film.

I didn't flip through 500 comments, but it sounds like the SAG was just spreading the wealth. There might be people who let Weisz(?) get the Supporting SAG so that they could give Williams the Oscar. They might have given Crash the Ensemble so that Crash could have something, while Brokeback cleans up at the Oscars.

At this point, the only clear runaway winner is Ang Lee, and possibly Hoffman. Not a bad thing. Sorry Heath, my man, but if you can't do a presentation worth a darn, or sit still on Jay Leno for 20 minutes, you have work to do. Settle down, put out a good performance in a weaker year 5 years from now, and you'll get your Brokeback Oscar.

Williams has a clearer shot since Oscar likes to award pretty young girls, experienced or not (Anna Paquin, anybody?).

How come Kate Hudson lost to Marcia Gay Harden then?

One of the biggest mysteries in the history of the Academy...

P.S. - do people really think that Heath's behaviour last night hurt his chances? I thought he was... funny

It's true that BBM's so-called "content problems" never materialized, and thus has enjoyed mainstream success, but we certainly can't discount the fact that it has an ardent cult-ish following in the gay community. Movies that achieve cult-like status are always remembered for a long time (ie. Fight Club, Rocky Horror, Blade Runner).

Supporting Actress has always been a category rife with upsets.

The thing that bothers me most with William's chances is that she was so passive in her role. Don't get me wrong or anything, I think she was great, but in a category that favors scene-stealers and verging on leading roles, I think she could get overlooked. Unless, of course, she benefits from a Brokeback sweep.

Oscar liking young pretty things doesn't explain everything. I speaking of a trend.

I didn't see Heath on the SAGs, but I did see him on Leno. And yes, I think it did hurt him. Oscar likes older actors. In order for a younger actor to win, he has to at least look and act old, and Heath isn't doing that yet. Any other year, I think Heath's performance would have soundly thumped the must-be-older trend, but not in this crowded catagory this year.

Lee Krasner in Pollock was not only a long-suffering wife, but also essentially a lead role.

Crash won't be much further from that either. Movies like Fight Club and Blade Runner actually made it into the upper half of IMDB's Top 250 list. I am not saying that BBM will be forgotten soon, but I think that it is not right to say that it will be the only one to be remembered from the race. I contend that Crash will be remembered for at least just as long.

Only time will tell

A movie with homosexual overtures is going to be dragged down by alot more people with hate in their mind as opposed to movies with racial overtures. Its not surprising that BBM isnt on imdb top 250 because their would tend to be people who havent seen the movie to vote 1-4s for it. Now that I think about it, where in imdb's 250 list is there a movie that deals with homosexuality. BTW I do think Crash would probably be higher on the list but I do think it suffers the same fate as BBM with bigots dragging its score down, not to the extreme extent as BBM. Im still pissed that Boyz in the Hood is missing from the top 250 list when it had been hailed in critics top 10 in 1992 and even making it on critics best of for the 90s

I guess a better way to put is lead female acting winners tend to be younger than their male counterparts. Adrien Brody, 29 at the time is their baby.

no ....wrong as I usually say to you on your firrst comment > In BBM, they gloss over every topic > they send 10 minutes on something move on and never really come back to it in detail.

One great example was when the wife saw then kissing and then two scenes later they were divorced with no talking about it or the Randy Q scene where he says you 2 cheated me and now get out ............................

**************** and on the second if I remember when I asked that in the Roundtable, most everyone agreed...............

notice a trend?


1997:

The English Patient wins the Globe, PGA, DGA, loses all of its 4 nominations at SAG and then wins 9 Oscars, including one acting win - Juliette Binoche, who previously lost both the Globe and the SAG.


2001:

Gladiator wins the Globe, PGA (loses DGA to Ang Lee), loses all of its 3 nominations at SAG and then wins 5 Oscars, including... you guessed it.. one acting win - Russell Crowe, who previously lost both the Globe and the SAG.


2006: ?

BBM will enter the list, it is just a matter of time. Is it being dragged down? Yes, certainly. But the fact that 60% of votes are perfect 10/10 tells pretty much exactly that there are "BBM fanboys" who would just vote a 10 for it, just for the heck of it because it deals with the topic. It is not wise to say that there are only haters and deny that there are fanboys as well.

Well the thing is the votes work more in a negative way than positively. For every vote that has a 10, there may be a few 1-3s you see. If 10 people voted 10, and 10 people voted 1, the average would be 5.5. You see the flaw in that?
And besides alot of people vote 10s on all movies

Which is why the dragging down effect is not as strong as assumed, in my opinion. There are just films that are perceived by the oublic as better/worse than by the critics. Which is one of the reasons why Sideways is not even THAT high on the list, even though it was one of the most praised films of the recent years.

Oy! Don't get my hopes up!