Not as much praise by the audience? Pretty much everyone I talked to has loved it and it will make at least $70-75M, unlike Lost in Translation, which had mixed reaction and topped out at less than $50M.

I don't think any BPN this year will remembered for years to come.

I agree, even though Sideways would deserve it.

Probably not, none of them stand out THAT MUCH, even if you think they're fantastic none of them really have anything going for them that would make them last for a long time. Theres not many movies that do. Alot of oscar movies arent really remembered, hell Titanic made almost 2billion worldwide and nobody gives a shit about it anymore.

Right.

And, by those standards, what best picture winners would you consider people are still "giving a shit" about?

Gone With the Wind
Casablanca
Ben-Hur
The Godfather
The Godfather Part II
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Rocky ( this one can be argued )
Amadeus
Platoon
Rain Man
The Silence of the Lambs
Unforgiven
Schindler's List
Forrest Gump
Braveheart
American Beauty

Those imo are all considered timeless classics

I'd add Lawrence of Arabia and The Sound of Music to the list. There also have been quite a few best picture nominees that are remembered over time.

Yep, especially The Shawshank Redemption, Saving Private Ryan, Star Wars, all LOTR films (they will be remembered, I am sure) and Pulp Fiction.

Lets just say about 40 ( give or take a few ) movies from over 500 nominated for best picture are considered timeless classics.

Yes, it did.

That's not true, it's internet geeks that slag the film. No one I know in the real world has anything but admiration for the film. (Titanic that is).

No, it didn't.

Sure it did Mav. You know that Hollywood is all about back slapping and firends voting for each other. That's why a truly mediocre film like MDB won this year and a gem like Sdieways got passed over. Nepotism rules.

If a movie this year was to win "because of" then it'd certainly be The Aviator/Scorcese. Clint has already been awarded...

Now I haven't seen Million Dollar Baby (I saw the four other nominees, though), but I do believe that it was awarded on its own merits and not only because of Clint.

Oh and out of the four that I have seen, Sideways was the best one, but it has never had a chance to win in first place.

Sideways is good, but it's no Million Dollar Baby. If Hollywood truely was about backslapping Eastwood, then why did Peter Jackson win? Didn't your 20 bet with everyone teach you anything? \:D/ :razz:

Million Dollar Baby is just one of those rare films that touches people in a way Sideways and The Aviator never would. It's incredible in every aspect. You don't have to like it, but this is an argument that NOBODY was making before the Oscars, so it carries no weight with me. =; :wink:

I just don't get it. MDB did jnot resonate with me. Maybe it did with many people, but it just felt so cliched to me. I can't win the arguement because it is all a matter of opinion and I don't want to pretened like I hated this movie, because I didn't but to have MDB win best picture, it just doesn't make sense to me.

As for PJ winning, I guess that was inevitable. You can't ignore 3 billion dollars worth of success. ](*,)

It's no classic and nobody talks about it anymore.

Titanic is a classic and will always be one. Look, no one talks about ROTK or American Beauty either. But Titanic will always be remembered as a timeless classic because it grossed 2 billion dollars and won 11 oscars. No film can boast that it is the highest grossing film and has the most oscar wins in history (tied of course). Only Titanic has that honour. Titanic is considered a classic and is a classic. Case closed.

A movie isnt considered a timeless classic because it made alot of money, dont be absurd. You wanna use oscars? Then MDB won best picture, best director, best actress, and best supporting. Did Titanic win any acting awards Big whoop, it won alot of technical awards, GREAT!!! It's a technical achievement :wink: nothing more. Its looked upon as an overated movies these days, in the same vein as The English Patient & A Beautiful Mind.

That is the most absurd argument I have ever heard. It won best director and best picture. So what are you saying? That rOTK is not a classic because it has no acting awards. They both won 11 fucking oscars dude. That, whether you agree or not, makes it a classic. I am not a LOTR loonie by any stretch, but you cannot take away what it accomplished. And you can call films classic by how much they make. If a film makes what ROTK and Titanic did, that makes them classics. Just like Ghostbusters and Beverly Hills Cop and Austin Powers and so on will be classics. some people actually enjoyed the films.

That statement just took away any credibility you had. Some people enjoy them? Sure, I enjoy them too - but they're not classic, if someone enjoys a movie it doesnt mean its a classic.

How is American Beauty anymore a classic than titanic?

Because to this day its still looked upon as a fantastic movie and not torn apart and being called overated everywhere. A classic is a movie that doesnt diminish its reputation in time, its a movie that can live on forever and still be looked upon as a masterpiece of cinema to this day.

And by your definition, Beverly Hills Cop and Ghostbusters and so on are classics. I don't subscribe to the fact that you have to have movies like Gandhi and English Patient and so on exhibit the "classic" motif. I happen to love American Beauty, it is one of my top 5 films of all time. But that doesn't make it more of a classic that a film like Titanic or E.T. or Forrest Gump or whatnot. Classic is a term that is so overused. A film is a classic because people deem it that way, it is a matter of opinion, there is no fact.

always found american beauty to be overrated.