Heck, now I just want Crash to win just to see Loyal and andaroo cry

1. The trailers were for movies with african-american main charcters. I guess that makes them trailers aimed at a black audience.

If not, who do you know the film was aimed at a white audience?

2. Again, an ad can be made for one demographic, a different one for another. Universal made ads for "Kink Kong" centered on the love story, aiming for women. Does that mean that "King Kong" was just aiming for a female audience?

If a studio feel that a movie has the potential to cross over, they´ll market it to as many demographics as possible.

3. I meant that if say, black audiences watch specially some type of shows, or read certain magazines you wouldn´t know cause you normally don´t watch/read them. Me neither. If a set of "Narnia" ads are aiming for a christian audience by playing in between two episodes of "7th heaven" I wouldn´t know, either.

4. The trailers that played with Crash WERE definitely aimed at a black audience, I´d say.

5. You said: "I know a lot of reviewers have called it a "white guilt film", so I don't think it is mine alone". So I pointed out to others who disagreed with you, but stated that doesn´t prove anything without a good point to back it up.

6. No, we were not trying to prove universally that Crash is a good or bad film - I don´t think such thing can be done. We were talking about the pèrception of it being a "white guilt" movie or "Racism for dummies", which you and others seem to imply it is. I feel that is less subjective, but maybe I am wrong.

7. BTW, you also said: "The Man wrote it, The Man directed it, The Man distributed it"

I guess "To kill a mockingbird", "The color purple" and "In the heat of the night" are not valid movies cause The man wrote, directed and distributed them.

sadistic bastard

German. D'uh.

well i agree with you on that, and Munich will be nominated, anyways there are alot of ppl around here that want KK for best pic.....and its wierd lol, the movie is not that good.....

for best pic

Crash
Munich
Constant Gardener
Cinderella man


i would love too see ROTS get a nom but its not gonna happen, GL doesnt have the tendency to wipe hollywoods ass...

And Crash locks up SAG ensemble, among others:

http://www.variety.com/ac2006_article/V ... =1&s=h&p=0

I fear Crash is starting toi overtake Clooney and Heslov's GNAGL script as frontrunner. Which makes perfect sense:

"I am angry all the time...and I don't know why."

"It's the sense of touch. In any real city, you walk, you know? You brush past people, people bump into you. In L.A., nobody touches you. We're always behind this metal and glass. I think we miss that touch so much, that we crash into each other, just so we can feel something."

Give those scribes an Oscar, STAT!

That Crash, I tell ya.

heard on the news last night that Crash is sending a video to every Oscar voter which they said was unusual.

Maybe Lions Gate is the new Miramax, not Focus. Heh.

Crash, at least to me, has been the best story of this Oscar race. (Well, Crash and Amy Adams.) To get made for 6 million dollars, and then to gross over 50, and then take advantage of the failures of many Oscar hopefuls that came and went. It has that "little engine that could" thing going for it.

I wouldn't disagree with that assessment.

All true, and a little of part of dies inside watching it happen.

I never expected to still be takling about my least favorite film of 2005, let alone as a major Oscar contender.

There is still time to conform.

Don't give in Ripper!

That leads to the dark side of the force...

Never, if it weren't for Jennufer Espsito's lovely nipple Crash might be on my worst ever list

I would say that Brokeback Mountain definitely has AMPAS in check now. Not awarding it, especially after it's reception, would really put AMPAS in a bad light, and you can bet that all of them realize that. The only way that they could get away with not awarding Brokeback Mountain with a win is if they give it to Crash instead, because then they would not be viewed as close minded or bigots or whatever. Crash is the only film that has a chance to take it down, and I guess the Golden Globes don't play the same politics as the rest.

I thought I posted yesterday in the Contenders thread but I guess I posted here

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Here is the full report on the Crash story I posted before.

WOW< 130,000 > that's alot.

From IMDB

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Lionsgate Sending Out 130,000 Screeners of 'Crash'

Lionsgate has opened a floodgate to send "north of 130,000" screeners of its critically acclaimed Crash to members of the film industry, including all 110,000 members of the Screen Actors Guild and 13,000 members of the Writers Guild in advance of key awards voting, Daily Variety reported today (Thursday). In addition, it will send out the usual number of screeners to voting members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences, the British Academy of Film & TV Arts, and the Hollywood Foreign Press Association. Lionsgate President Tom Ortenberg told the trade publication that his company is unable to invite members of those groups to theaters to see the film because it is no longer playing. Moreover, there is little fear about piracy issues since the movie is already out on DVD.

I love Crash and Terrence Howard but this quote in the latest issue of EW bugs me. Plus it's sad that this amusing thread has fallen off page 1! -

So who will win the big prize come March 5? One theory: Things could follow the 2000 script, when three of the five eventual Best Picture nominees (The Cider House Rules, The Green Mile, and The Sixth Sense) weren't short-listed by the Globes. Terrence Howard, whose Crash lost both of its Globes races, is one of the folks hoping so. "I hope the Oscars will go differently," he said. "The public will demand that Crash be the best picture of the year."

Does anyone else feel that once Crash gets its eventual BP nominee that it will get one of those "vote for this or you're ignoring the issue" type of pushes?

I think both Brokeback Mountain and Crash can be percieved as being a "vote for this or you're ignoring the issue" type of thing.

I agree.

But then again, that did not help Hotel Rwanda last year.

Those black people weren't American, so they don't count.

Oh and Rwanda wasn't that great of a movie other than Cheadle

Maybe.

But it was better than Ray and Finding Neverland

I wasn't thrilled with Ray origionally.

But I've seen it a few times since, and I have to say... I think it's a damn good film for the most part.

I definately understand what "about it" made it a Best Picture nominee.

Enlighten me.

What do you mean?

Why I think Ray is great? Mostly because it has a sense of urgency and energy underlines the entire movie. There are a couple cheesy bits of course (Sharon Warren is particularly hammy, as is some of the early sequences in Seattle) and it's a story told in very, very broad and obvious strokes but a lot of the performances just really strike a chord. Jamie Foxx's of course, but there is also some great work here from Kerry Washington and especially Regina King who makes the "Hit the Road Jack" section of the movie just come to life.

I personally thought the Cinematography and production values, the colors used, the angles, the editing, all made up for a very energetic film. Sure it wasn't the *best* of everything that year, but if you combine everything together into one film and cook it all up on the end of a spoon, it makes for a rather tasty injection (did I just type that?).

On top of that, it said something significant about Ray Charles. One of the big problems I have with Walk the Line is that it didn't really say anything about Johnny Cash or his music or the impact he made in the world. It doesn't even begin to address his activism and political agenda. Although it was *extremely* well acted by the leads, it just didn't have anything else to say.

Yes, Rwanda had it's "importance" and a great acting job done by Cheadle. It was also trying to tell a mighty complex film, and in ways both succeeded and failed. But on a separate wavelength, as far as Ray is concerned, it just hit every note that it was aiming for. And that is also impressive.