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dar
Indiana Jones IV
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andaroo wrote: Why is Crash "a black film", it's written and directed by a white guy, aimed at a white audience, and racism isn't just a black-white thing!
Why was it "aimed at a white audience"?
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:59 am |
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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dar wrote: andaroo wrote: Why is Crash "a black film", it's written and directed by a white guy, aimed at a white audience, and racism isn't just a black-white thing! Why was it "aimed at a white audience"?
Its trailers, as I remember were targeted at films that traditionally aim at a white audience.
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:31 pm |
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bABA
Commander and Chef
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:56 am Posts: 30505 Location: Tonight ... YOU!
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loyalfromlondon wrote: how many Crash supporters here have actually had a latino in their home for dinner?
tsk. you amerkan man. you think the world is just white, black, latinos and the asian.
have you ever had a lebanese for dinner? or say a columbian? how about someone from Romania? or that guy from vietnam. I had a combodian and a bangladeshi over once .. together!
and once i entertained a man who was from london but could trace his heritage to over 6 ethnicities.
now thats multi-cultural!!
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:14 pm |
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Anonymous
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I'm the Rubik's Cube of races. I'm so cool.
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:25 pm |
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I'm the Rubik's Cube of races. I'm so cool.
The question is, do you invite yourself to dinner??!?!
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Sauron
Star Trek XI
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:26 am Posts: 345 Location: in front of my pc
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so much hate for the best picture of 2005......i dont get it. but if ppl want KK for best pic i guess its all clear 
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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Sauron wrote: so much hate for the best picture of 2005......i dont get it. but if ppl want KK for best pic i guess its all clear 
No, we want Munich not KK.
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dolcevita
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Go Munich!
Barring that, Good Night and Good Luck better pull an upset.
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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I'm pulling for Clooney to win one of the four big awards. Obviously Best Actor is a little more out of reach.
I however don't think Director is impossible and Screenplay is a definate (depending on how strong Crash is going into the night).
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:11 pm |
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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dolcevita wrote: Go Munich!
I know, at least if people are going to pull the bias card, they should pull the right movie.
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:15 pm |
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Anonymous
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Sauron wrote: so much hate for the best picture of 2005......i dont get it. but if ppl want KK for best pic i guess its all clear 
Picture as in...motion picture?
I love Jennifer Esposito as much as the next person.
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dar
Indiana Jones IV
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andaroo wrote: dar wrote: andaroo wrote: Why is Crash "a black film", it's written and directed by a white guy, aimed at a white audience, and racism isn't just a black-white thing! Why was it "aimed at a white audience"? Its trailers, as I remember were targeted at films that traditionally aim at a white audience.
The trailers that were attached to it when I saw it clearly aimed at a black audience: "Hustle & flow" and that bee spelling movie with Samuel L. Jackson. So...
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:31 pm |
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zennier
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dolcevita wrote: Go Munich!
Barring that, Good Night and Good Luck better pull an upset.
Sounds good to me.
You, andaroo, and I should have complete control over the Oscars. 
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:43 pm |
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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I do have complete control of the Oscars in Bizarro World.
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dolcevita
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dar wrote: The trailers that were attached to it when I saw it clearly aimed at a black audience: "Hustle & flow" and that bee spelling movie with Samuel L. Jackson. So...
I think you're collapsing Bee Season and Freedomland together. 
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Libs
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dolcevita wrote: dar wrote: The trailers that were attached to it when I saw it clearly aimed at a black audience: "Hustle & flow" and that bee spelling movie with Samuel L. Jackson. So...
I think you're collapsing Bee Season and Freedomland together. 
I think the spelling bee movie he's referring to is like Alkeesha and the Spelling Bee or something, which I also remember seeing a trailer for at Crash.
I think it has Laurence Fishburne, though, not Sam Jackson.
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:23 pm |
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Libs wrote: dolcevita wrote: dar wrote: The trailers that were attached to it when I saw it clearly aimed at a black audience: "Hustle & flow" and that bee spelling movie with Samuel L. Jackson. So...
I think you're collapsing Bee Season and Freedomland together.  I think the spelling bee movie he's referring to is like Alkeesha and the Spelling Bee or something, which I also remember seeing a trailer for at Crash. I think it has Laurence Fishburne, though, not Sam Jackson.
well, all black people do look alike.
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dar
Indiana Jones IV
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Libs wrote: dolcevita wrote: dar wrote: The trailers that were attached to it when I saw it clearly aimed at a black audience: "Hustle & flow" and that bee spelling movie with Samuel L. Jackson. So...
I think you're collapsing Bee Season and Freedomland together.  I think the spelling bee movie he's referring to is like Alkeesha and the Spelling Bee or something, which I also remember seeing a trailer for at Crash. I think it has Laurence Fishburne, though, not Sam Jackson.
Yep, you are right. Sorry.
Point being... I don´t know why Crash is supposed to be aimed at a white audience. Why is that? Could any crash haters elaborate? Thanks.
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:44 pm |
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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dar wrote: Point being... I don´t know why Crash is supposed to be aimed at a white audience. Why is that? Could any crash haters elaborate? Thanks.
Crash was aimed (from a marketing perspective) at an indie audience, at a suburban indie audience who tends to be white. Is that hard to see? I dunno. It definately didn't follow the release pattern of an urban film.
That's my view at least. I know a lot of reviewers have called it a "white guilt film", so I don't think it is mine alone.
The Man wrote it, The Man directed it, The Man distributed it.
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Maverikk
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Well, since Crash is my #1 serious movie of the year, I'm obviously happy about it's support in the guilds. It is quite deserving, after all.
The sour grapes must be tasting quite nasty to the haters in this thread. I'd like to say I feel for ya, but I don't. 
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Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:12 am |
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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It's okay, when the apocalypse happens, Crash fans will not be spared.
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Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:12 am |
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dar
Indiana Jones IV
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andaroo wrote: dar wrote: Point being... I don´t know why Crash is supposed to be aimed at a white audience. Why is that? Could any crash haters elaborate? Thanks. Crash was aimed (from a marketing perspective) at an indie audience, at a suburban indie audience who tends to be white. Is that hard to see? I dunno. It definately didn't follow the release pattern of an urban film. That's my view at least. I know a lot of reviewers have called it a "white guilt film", so I don't think it is mine alone. The Man wrote it, The Man directed it, The Man distributed it.
Trailers attached to the movie were not aimed at a white audience specifically, at all. And an ad campaign can be directed to more than one demographic, including those "indies" who want to see a well reviewed film about a hot topic. Of course you wouldn´t know if the movie was also marketed at a black audience, cause you are not part of it (me neither). The trailers definitely were.
Of course, some have called it a "white guilt" movie. Others, like Ebert and the African American Critics association (who may know a thing or two about racism) have said "masterpiece". I don´t think neither of both claims proves anything in any discussion.
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Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:29 am |
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andaroo1
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dar wrote: Trailers attached to the movie were not aimed at a white audience specifically, at all. Why not? Quote: And an ad campaign can be directed to more than one demographic, including those "indies" who want to see a well reviewed film about a hot topic. True, but the marketing and ad campaign spoke of films that are traditionally marketed to white film goers. Who wouldn't want to market to them, I mean, they are traditionally the movie-goers, they are the ones who are going to come see your movie. Quote: Of course you wouldn´t know if the movie was also marketed at a black audience, cause you are not part of it (me neither). I think that is rather presumtious. I can definately tell when a movie is marketed towards an audience that I am not part of. Quote: The trailers definitely were. I would disagree. Quote: Others, like Ebert and the African American Critics association (who may know a thing or two about racism) That's funny, considering the film is supposed to say that nearly everybody is a victim of racism and capable of racism. To think that I have to go to the African American Critics to learn if the film really speaks about racism is silly. Is Ebert an "expert" on this subject because he is married to a black woman? That is silly. Do I have to get Spike Lee's opinion on the film for it to be valid? Quote: I don´t think neither of both claims proves anything in any discussion.
Are we trying to prove this universally? These are my impressions. Yours are obviously different.
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Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:58 am |
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getluv
i break the rules, so i don't care
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I think Crash personifies its wants too much, however the realism of some of the characters really let us comprehend how bad the world is turning. If your shielded from that stuff, then it must be said that you wouldn't know what Haggis was trying to get at.
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Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:25 pm |
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Anonymous
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You know what Crash reminds me of, an afterschool special but with a larger budget.
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Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:27 pm |
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