Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
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billybobwashere
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Re: Brad Pitt's nom is rather laughable
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Yet another of my observations as I have been piling up Oscar contenders during the last few days:
I liked Benjamin Button, I won't deny that. Hell, I actually liked Taraji P. Henson's turn more than probably anyone else here...but Brad Pitt got a nom for what? Blank staring? Because the best performance of his character was the CGI and the make-up, but not the actor Brad Pitt. Pitt is a solid actor, mind you, but this is not nearly one of his best performances and while I still haven't seen all of 2008's films, I have already seen some actors who were far better and were snubbed for a nom (Colin Farrell? Michael Sheen? Hell, even RDJ in Iron Man?!)
It's far from the best of the year, but 1) I do think the performance was a fine one (he was very convincing, at the very least), 2) One could argue the nomination awards both Ben Button and his fabulous performance in Burn After Reading, 3) For a guy who's had so much attention in the press yet also managing a great acting career, only having one nomination seems a bit odd to me, and 4) the nomination may have been a bit more for the achievement of Benjamin Button the character than Brad Pitt's performance alone.
So yeah, not entirely deserved, but it makes sense to me for a number of reasons.
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Re: Brad Pitt's nom is rather laughable
billybobwashere wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Yet another of my observations as I have been piling up Oscar contenders during the last few days:
I liked Benjamin Button, I won't deny that. Hell, I actually liked Taraji P. Henson's turn more than probably anyone else here...but Brad Pitt got a nom for what? Blank staring? Because the best performance of his character was the CGI and the make-up, but not the actor Brad Pitt. Pitt is a solid actor, mind you, but this is not nearly one of his best performances and while I still haven't seen all of 2008's films, I have already seen some actors who were far better and were snubbed for a nom (Colin Farrell? Michael Sheen? Hell, even RDJ in Iron Man?!)
It's far from the best of the year, but 1) I do think the performance was a fine one (he was very convincing, at the very least), 2) One could argue the nomination awards both Ben Button and his fabulous performance in Burn After Reading, 3) For a guy who's had so much attention in the press yet also managing a great acting career, only having one nomination seems a bit odd to me, and 4) the nomination may have been a bit more for the achievement of Benjamin Button the character than Brad Pitt's performance alone.
So yeah, not entirely deserved, but it makes sense to me for a number of reasons.
Well, points #3 and #4 don't justify a nom. He should have gotten one for Fight Club and maybe Se7en...not this one.
As for point #1...well, I thought he had a meaty character and added nothing to it. The CGI added much more to the character than he did, heh. He didn't do anything. For someone who ages backwards, you'd expect to be able to read his age in his performance, even when he's a young guy...but it never comes across this way. As a young guy, he just looks, acts and feels like a young guy...
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Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:54 am
Dr. Lecter
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Re: Brad Pitt's nom is rather laughable
xiayun wrote:
So you liked Frost/Nixon as well?
Yeah, I agree on Pitt. I don't feel he added anything to the role.
It was solid, but I actually didn't love it. It is an acting powerhouse, that's for sure. More on that later.
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Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:55 am
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Re: Brad Pitt's nom is rather laughable
Brad Pitt in BB is very bland. It's probably due to the screenplay since the character never really goes anywhere and we learn nothing at all about him. So Pitt has nothing to work with. I can probably think of 20 performances which would have deserved a nomination more. Di Caprio and Colin Farrell come to mind.
Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:04 pm
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Re: Brad Pitt's nom is rather laughable
^OT: seanbateman? Rules of Attraction fan? hehe
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Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:17 pm
billybobwashere
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Re: Brad Pitt's nom is rather laughable
Dr. Lecter wrote:
billybobwashere wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Yet another of my observations as I have been piling up Oscar contenders during the last few days:
I liked Benjamin Button, I won't deny that. Hell, I actually liked Taraji P. Henson's turn more than probably anyone else here...but Brad Pitt got a nom for what? Blank staring? Because the best performance of his character was the CGI and the make-up, but not the actor Brad Pitt. Pitt is a solid actor, mind you, but this is not nearly one of his best performances and while I still haven't seen all of 2008's films, I have already seen some actors who were far better and were snubbed for a nom (Colin Farrell? Michael Sheen? Hell, even RDJ in Iron Man?!)
It's far from the best of the year, but 1) I do think the performance was a fine one (he was very convincing, at the very least), 2) One could argue the nomination awards both Ben Button and his fabulous performance in Burn After Reading, 3) For a guy who's had so much attention in the press yet also managing a great acting career, only having one nomination seems a bit odd to me, and 4) the nomination may have been a bit more for the achievement of Benjamin Button the character than Brad Pitt's performance alone.
So yeah, not entirely deserved, but it makes sense to me for a number of reasons.
Well, points #3 and #4 don't justify a nom. He should have gotten one for Fight Club and maybe Se7en...not this one.
As for point #1...well, I thought he had a meaty character and added nothing to it. The CGI added much more to the character than he did, heh. He didn't do anything. For someone who ages backwards, you'd expect to be able to read his age in his performance, even when he's a young guy...but it never comes across this way. As a young guy, he just looks, acts and feels like a young guy...
i'm not making the argument that he should have been nominated (he's outside my personal Best Actor category), but giving you reasons why it happened. It adds up, unlike Viola's.
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Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:03 pm
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Re: Michael Sheen shamefully ignored this Oscar season!
And yet another observation...
Now that I have seen Frost/Nixon...it is an absolute acting powerhouse, no matter what you think of the film itself. Langella is terrific...but honestly, the whole thing wiuldn't have been half as good if Langella didn't have someone equally great to play off him - and in my opinion Michael Sheen delivered! He has already been ignored for his great turn in The Queen and now again. Maybe he wasn't as good as Langella, but he's damn close! And sure as hell better than Pitt...
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Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:14 pm
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Re: Michael Sheen shamefully ignored this Oscar season!
Michael Sheen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Langella in Frost/Nixon
Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:37 am
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Re: Michael Sheen shamefully ignored this Oscar season!
Alex Y. wrote:
Michael Sheen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Langella in Frost/Nixon
I agree - - I'm one of those in the minority, who wasn't impressed by Langella's impersonation...
Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:16 am
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Re: Michael Sheen shamefully ignored this Oscar season!
Sheen was pretty good, but I don't think he was nomination-worthy in his role. But I definitely think that he's an underrated actor. He deserved an Oscar nomination two years ago for playing Tony Blair in The Queen.
On the whole, I'm just not that excited about Frost/Nixon. It's a good movie, no doubt, but it didn't stand out to me as one of the year's very best.
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Re: Michael Sheen shamefully ignored this Oscar season!
Michael Sheen got pwned three years ago. His work in The Queen was completely Oscar worthy.
At least he has Kate Beckinsale to go home t.....oh, wait. Nevermind.
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Re: Michael Shannon is tremendous in Revolutionary Road!
The whole ensemble of Revolutionary Road is pretty great (a shame that DiCaprio was not nominated, but Brad Pitt was), but at least they nominated the film's best turn - Michael Shannon. What a great performance. I'd go as far as calling it my 2nd favorite supporting actor performance of 2008 (though still need to see Milk), only behind Ledger, but ahead of Marsan, RDJ and Philip Seymour Hoffman. Only two scenes and maybe 10 minutes screentime in total...but he leaves quite an impression!
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Re: Michael Shannon is tremendous in Revolutionary Road!
He really sets the tone for most of the 2nd half.
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Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:50 pm
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
Well, the title says it all. I saw the movies during the past two days and while Sean Penn completely immerses himself into Harvey Milk and pulls off a great turn...it's still Rourke's big time. I bet it helps that Rourke is more or less playing himself in this film, but there's no denying the fact that this is one of the most heartfelt, moving and intense performances of the year.
Hell, so many great leading actors this year! And Pitt ain't one of 'em.
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:40 pm
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
I found Penn to be utterly underwhelming like the entire film. My love of Rourke's turn is well known.
My money would be on Penn to win the gold though.
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:10 pm
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
Most people who know me on here also probably know my feelings about The Wrestler. Rourke was just astonishing.
I still haven't decided who I'm rooting for. I wouldn't be upset if either win, but my money's also on Penn at this point... he seems to have won almost all the major important ones.
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
If there was ever to be a tie, I think it should be in this category. Plus, Mickey's beloved dog Loky died yesterday.
Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:23 pm
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
My money's on Penn as well because he's the biopic nominee, because his film is a BP nominee and because it is an IMPORTANT role.
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
Shannon is great, even if the role is extremely old-hat by now (crazy guy who's saner than us!), like Revolutionary Road is. Not the book's fault at all, but a pretty pointless adaptation at this point in time.
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billybobwashere
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
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My money's on Penn as well because he's the biopic nominee, because his film is a BP nominee and because it is an IMPORTANT role.
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
Rourke does have the tuggin-at-your-heart edge that gave say MDB and Clint the win back in 2004.
It's really a toss-up.
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:59 pm
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Re: Viola Davis' performance - kinda overrated
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I thought she knocked her one scene out of the park. She made it seem like Streep was hardly even there, which isn't an easy thing to do. Even with just 12 minutes of screen time, her role sticks out more to me than those of Streep, Hoffman, and Adams, all of which I really liked.
As far as one-scene nominations go, she's far superior to Ruby Dee (who probably got in based entirely on the scene where she slaps Denzel) last year.
Thank you, you basically spoke my mind. Personally i am rooting for Davis, although wouldn't mind if tomei spoiled it, I think Cruz's performance is the third most overrated thing in the oscars, next to SM, and Kate Winslet.
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
^no way. Penelope owned VCB. She deserves the oscar this year.
Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:49 am
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
Sam wrote:
^no way. Penelope owned VCB. She deserves the oscar this year.
I just didn't get it. I thought her performance was worth watching but far from extraordinary. She wasn't much of a scene stealer, was somewhat misbalanced at parts, and just didn't wring a real tone with me. Also i was irritated by her irratic character. Davis on the other hand was electrifying, stuck in my mind long after the rest of the film faded (even Meryl) and made her character incredibly complex. (yes I'm sure I'll get criticism for calling her complex, but that's what I saw)
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Malcolm wrote:
You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.
Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:11 am
Dr. Lecter
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Re: Sean Penn is great in Milk, but The Wrestler's Rourke owns
Sam wrote:
^no way. Penelope owned VCB. She deserves the oscar this year.
Having seen all five Best Supporting Actress nominees now, I agree. Cruz delivered the best turn out of the five nominated actresses.
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