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torrino
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 Re: Happy with the noms?
Frost/Nixon is the best movie of the year and is not conventional Oscar bait stuff, especially in a category with Milk, Benjamin Button, and Slumdog Millionaire. You're using the wrong word. Frost/Nixon is based on a play, is centered around the making of a political interview, and is impressive for leaving Nixon's legacy up to the audience (he is neither a hero nor a villain).
I would argue that Benjamin Button stole TDK's nomination, not The Reader. WB had the challenge of campaigning two uber blockbusters...and it chose Button over TDK.
Finally, if $500m won't do it, nothing will. So let's stop using box-office numbers as a rational. OK, Lecter?
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:13 am |
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Loyal
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 Re: Happy with the noms?
2nd most nominations ever, tied with Gone With The Wind, From Here To Eternity, Shakespeare in Love, Chicago, and wait for it, FORREST GUMP.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:14 am |
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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 Re: Happy with the noms?
I do think people kind of need to get over themselves a little bit with the threats of "Boycott!" and "Suicide!" and "OHhhhmyygahhhhhhhh my life is over."
I mean, the movie was FABULOUSLY successful and will be remembered for years to come. The Academy is not the be all-end all of everything.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:15 am |
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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 Re: Happy with the noms?
SFERIC wrote: Anyone else think 13 noms for a movie is a little excessive? for Benjamin Button definitely not deserved. But I think the nominations is what they are awarding it because it's going to come out almost empty handed come Oscar night.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:18 am |
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roo
invading your spaces
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 pm Posts: 6194
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 Re: Happy with the noms?
Actually Sam, Benjamin Button will probably win the most awards of the night, even if that tally comes from misc. categories. We'll see.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:19 am |
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:48 pm Posts: 11019
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I think we'll see slumdog win 5 or 6 though, no?
Picture Director Screenplay Song Editing Maybe a sound award, probably not.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:22 am |
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torrino
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 Re: Happy with the noms?
Rorschach wrote: da torri wrote: Frost/Nixon is the best movie of the year and is not conventional Oscar bait stuff, especially in a category with Milk, Benjamin Button, and Slumdog Millionaire. You're using the wrong word. Frost/Nixon is based on a play, is centered around the making of a political interview, and is impressive for leaving the categorization of Nixon up to the audience (he is neither a hero nor a villain).
I would argue that Benjamin Button that stole TDK's nomination, not The Reader. WB had the challenge of campaigning two uber blockbusters...and it chose Button over TDK.
Finally, if $500m won't do it, nothing will. So let's stop using box-office numbers as a rational. Paramount released Ben Button domestically, WB did OS. Paramount handled its Oscar marketing. And Frost/Nixon is totally Oscar-bait stuff. I don't even feel like I have to justify this. Studios wage hundreds of thousands into Oscar campaigns. You really think Paramount's Oscar marketing was independent of WB when they knew way back in October that both films could be competing for the same spot? Uhuh.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:24 am |
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roo
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But Button could easily walk away with...
Costumes Cinematography Score Art Direction Visual Effects Make-up
and maybe Editing, with Slumdog taking the rest, but that's a stretch. In fact, I'd go as far to say that Button will probably win all of those except Score (which could go Wall-E or Slumdog too... I dunno).
If Hensen wins Best Supporting Actress early, we'll know Button is sweeping.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:25 am |
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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roo wrote: Actually Sam, Benjamin Button will probably win the most awards of the night, even if that tally comes from misc. categories. We'll see. which ones other than makeup?
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:26 am |
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
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I feel like Slumdog's editing is too flashy to lose. Fuckin' Bourne won last year.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:27 am |
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Loyal
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the phone sequence was pretty silly, which means it'll win the Oscar.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:29 am |
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roo
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The big winners I see are:
Slumdog Millionaire: Picture, Director, Screenplay, Song, Editing (5)
Benjamin Button: Costumes, Art Direction, Make-Up, Cinematography, Visual effects (5)
I tend to think that it's Milk's award in Original Screenplay to lose.
Score could go to SM, BB or Wall-E
Sound categories could go to Wall-E. At most, I think Wall-E will win 3.
So Score is the category that swings to Slumdog or Button getting the most wins.
In a better world, Nixon would win Adapted Screenplay (it's the best of the crop), Slumdog would win Score and all of the Bp nominees would walk away with...
Slumdog: 5 Button: 5 Frost/Nixon: 1 (Screenplay) Reader: 1 (Actress) Milk: 1 (Original Screenplay)
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:31 am |
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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Also, I haven't seen The Visitor yet but it's really nice to see such an underappreciated character actor like Richard Jenkins getting his moment for once.
He should've gotten a nomination for North Country three years ago.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:41 am |
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billybobwashere
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Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:59 pm Posts: 4308
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roo wrote: Rorschach wrote: The core of Slumdog that people are falling in love with is convential. India and shit is different, but the reason why the film is a succuess is the core convential story about a fairly-tale "I'll do anything to find you" love story. But you could make the same arguments about The Dark Knight on a different scale. How it's just Heat or a mobster movie with a slight twist. Otherwise the cast is extremely high pedigree, it's polished and expensive. If it didn't have a guy in a rubber suit in it it would be 100% conventional. It's never been a great example of the "comic film genre" because it's so outside the norms on that level. Iron Man is much closer to a comic book film at heart. That's my take at least. regardless of the inner workings of the plot, the movie is essentially about a guy who dresses up as a bat and gets taken seriously. That alone makes it way less conventional than something like Slumdog.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:44 am |
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Barrabás
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Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:53 pm Posts: 6333 Location: la gran casa de la esquina
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No. Fuck the Academy.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:55 am |
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GCC
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Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:11 pm Posts: 777
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Libs wrote: I do think people kind of need to get over themselves a little bit with the threats of "Boycott!" and "Suicide!" and "OHhhhmyygahhhhhhhh my life is over."
I mean, the movie was FABULOUSLY successful and will be remembered for years to come. The Academy is not the be all-end all of everything. Who's doin' all of this?
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Tyler
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:55 pm Posts: 7578 Location: Torrington, CT
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You know who won't be happy with the noms?
The people who are financing Oscar night.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:16 pm |
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David
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Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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VERY HAPPY! My five favorite films of last year -- Frost/Nixon, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Defiance, In Bruges, and The Reader -- were all nominated for at least one Academy Award. Three are up for Best Picture.  I do wish Leo had been nominated, though. I hope he still shows up to the ceremony, if only to root for Kate.
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Shack
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Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40611
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Only thing I'm pissed about is Button getting 13. That's a dark stain on nomination tally history.
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:42 pm |
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Loyal
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Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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It's a bad year for Best Picture nominees. As bad as when Crash won? Considering what didn't make it in, it may be even worse.
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Groucho
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Libs wrote: Generally, yes. I mean, I would obviously be much happier if TDK got nominated.
But I think a lot of the acting nominations have gone to good people and good actors. I agree. The top two best reviewed films of the year were Wall E and The Dark Knight, but because they're animated and "comic book" movies, they can't be considered as Best Picture. The snobbery of the Academy always wins (which is how snoozefests like "Chariots of Fire" win against "Raiders of the Lost Ark".
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Mister Ecks
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After thinking back to the thing this morning, the first nomination made me really happy and might have stopped me from tossing my TV through the window: Amy Adams. I remember when she was first nominated for Junebug, back when she was just new on the Hollywood scene and thinking she might not ever get another Academy Award nomination. Thankfully, I was wrong. And well-deserved too. I like her a lot.
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Mister Ecks
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And to add to the Doubt love, without having seen the movie, I'm glad for Viola Davis after watching her on the short-lived, low-rated series "Traveler" on ABC.
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Raffiki
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Meh. The Reader really kinda fucked everything up. I would have loved to see The Wrestler, RevRoad, Gran Torino and maybe even *big gasp* Wall-E get in before The Reader. And I even liked it.
It's so out of the blue that I don't think it has even fully registered in my brain that it's a BP nominee. Seriously. Like when I think of The Reader and I think of Best Picture together, my brain gets kinda confused. It's like it doesn't want to sort it into that category. Again, I'm not dishing on the movie... it's that it was so unexpected.
I can't believe The Dark Knight didn't get nominated. I think to me it was almost as big a surprise as The Reader getting nominated.
Most of the acting noms were fine. I would really have preferred Eastwood or DiCaprio over Pitt but whatever. Kate should have been nominated for Revolutionary Road which makes Michael Shannon's nomination even more bizarre.
I think I have been pretty unfairly negatively vocal about Sally Hawkins and truth be told, I would trade in the Happy Go Lucky screenplay nod to give her one instead. She was good in the movie. My main issues were with the movie itself. I don't think it deserved that screenplay nomination AT ALL... especially over The Wrestler.
Anyone have a nomination tally for all the films?
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Mister Ecks
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If Clint had been nominated for Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Director, Best Original Score and Best Song... I don't think I would've minded more than I do for The Reader's nods. And I hate to say that only because I haven't seen The Reader. But judging by some talk, it sounds mediocre at best. We missed out on a historic first (TDK) or a well-deserved second time ever (WALL-E) for The Reader?
And no need to speculate that anything else took the fifth spot. The Reader had no chance and it snuck in. Simple, case closed.
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