Fight Club hardly got any awards, does it mean it is hated? 21 Grams made more critics list as far as I remember and here is something else you should take a look at:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0311113/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0315733/




If that line-up is good then what is Forrest Gump/PulpFiction/The Shawshank Redemption? Or The Green Mile/The Sixth Sense/American Beauty/The Insider/Cider House Rules?



You know that Van Helsing's budget was around $170 million which is higher than DAT's, right?

And it's not like Catwoman's $100 million budget is peanuts.

There are more than 250 fantastic films and IMDB is not a great place to learn about them. I use IMDB as a tool of information, a tool of fact. That's what it is for. Using IMDB as a tool of news and opinion is laughable. It's like basing the Box Office off Yahoo Reviews. Did you even go to my link? I didn't link to the user reviews.

21 Grams was brought into this discussion, not by me, but by you trying to "prove" that Master and Commander sucked. I never tried to prove that 21 Grams "sucked" (although, I said my opinion of it isn't as sky high as you) only that I was not in a minority for thinking Master and Commander was a fantastic film.


I have never liked Forrest Gump.


That one is simple I don't like The Green Mile, or Cider House Rules. 1999 is a poor year to bring up when trying to search for Best Picture canidates with the exclusion of films like Magnolia. I wouldn't have shead a tear for the loss of any of those films aside from The Insider. I don't think American Beauty and The Sixth Sense are horrible by any means, just not my choices.

The rest of what you say is inconsequential. I'm not changing my mind. The pizza scene in Spider-Man 2 and the wolf scene in DAT were embarassments and horrible examples of the use of CG in a major motion picture. Much more outrageous than any of the CG that has been mentioned in this thread.

What on earth are you talking about? I just said that M&C wasn't good and didn't try to prove anything. You decided to make a big deal out of it and you expect to me just sit here and agree with all you say? War, it is.




Funnily enough, The Insider is the only one of those I didn't like much. But that's a different story.




The happier will I be when Spider-Man 2 wins.

No Lecter, god knows I don't expect you to agree with me, I expect you to knee jerk like you always do. It would be asking too much of you to think otherwise or to even entertain any other points of view.

You linked to 21 Grams' IMDB page for reasons that I assume is 21 Grams' #208 position as IMDB's "favorite movie of all time"? Yeah, looks like you were trying to make a point.

And again, I didn't bring 21 Grams or The Last Samurai into this.


You can feel content in the knowledge that when you are at home cheering Spider-Man 2's win, I will be relaxed in my chair with an expression of "eh, knew it was going to happen. Oh well?". My "happiess" (meaning, as much as I care about this pointless contest) is already assured because The Day After Tomorrow is out of the Oscar Visual Effects race completely, and even though the pizza scene is an embarassment, there is a lot of really decent CG work in Spider-Man, particularly at the "climax" with the sun-thing.

Hehe, seriously, if you just didn't expect me to agree with you, you wouldn't have made that "your opinion means less than dirt to me now" post. I dont care much if it was edited afterwards or not.

Moreover, I decided not to bring up any links, unless you do so. You refered to the awards as if they meant everything. Since you can do that, why can't I refer to the people's opinion? If you try to make a point, then so do I.

All I said was that I don't think that M&C is deserving of Best Director/Picture and you react as if I killed your mother and raped your dog.

Ehem, TDAT got robbed at the Oscars... I think it's weather effects were better than any movies effects combined, they were just beautiful.

Awards don't mean everything, but it is folly of you to think that you have some definative number of people who you can line up and say "they liked 21 Grams more". I bring up the awards because it is factual evidence that the film is liked and respected. I brought up no evidence which said 21 Grams wasn't liked and respected.


At least try, next time, to use something a little more realistic than IMDB.


But what the point you try to prove? You made the point that Master and Commander wasn't well liked, I was trying to prove THAT point. The only claim I made was "based on this, I don't feel like I'm alone in loving Master and Commander". You also made similar claims about Ray. You refuse to believe that movies you do not like, are liked. Not that 21 Grams was or wasn't popular among certain groups. I never made the claim otherwise. I just said it was overacted and gimmicky (which even most of its fans I've talked to SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH by my count).

Hell, I wouldn't even make that claim about Finding Neverland. I don't like it much, but I would never say "Damn, people just didn't like that movie, everybody loves ....xindiefilm... more". It's not true, people, for whatever reason outside my grasp, LOVE that movie.


In other news, my mom was found in serious agony this morning and my cocker spaniel is still missing.

So, guilty as charged?

Im glad Aviator won some... and Incredibles

Awards are voted by people. People vote for movies because of their opinions. Their opinions are equal to the opinions of the voters at IMDB. It is all about opinions. Your reference to the awards is equally worthless than mine to the votes.





Where have I said that nobody likes M&C or that it was a bad movie. I gave M&C a B which is better than what you give to Finding Neverland, as far as I can reckon. Also, all I said was that it wasn't deserving of Best Picture/Director nominations. You jumped in to get all over me because of that comment. All I am saying is that considering all epople I have met so far or what I read sofar, 21 Grams is more liked than Master & Commander, just like I am getting the feeling that Hotel Rwanda is more liked than Ray. I will stick to that. I am not saying that no one likes M&C or Ray more. Hey, get Levy here, he is an avid fan of M&C, or BKB, he loves Ray more than anything else (not that he has seen anything else).




Your cocker spaniel was so good that I decided to borrow him for a while...


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