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This is how it always is. Whenever someone calls you on something you try to compare and show that you're obviously "better", but the difference is that right now I am not pinning down anything as a lokc while you are. Back at the same point last year I pinned down Geisha as a lock and you WTL both turned out to be wrong. I learned my lesson and not calling anything a lock in early September. You are. It is not about comparisons between me and you it is about you and just you.


The difference being, I went with concrete evidence supporting WTL, you had nothing supporting Jarhead, Munich (the foregone "lock" to win it all) and Geisha. You made those predictions when nobody had seen a frame of film, I'm not doing that. That's why Flags isn't a lock. (yet) WTL was a snub. It was even the first thing the hosts of E! mentioned as soon as nominations were announced. It still won a Golden Globe, so it's not like my WTL and your picks are THAT similar.

If I'm wrong about Bobby (and knowing my country like I do, I won't be), you can tell me you told me so all you want to. :smile:

I will continue updating my signature and standing by my selections, and you're welcome to agree, argue against it, or be confused on your position. Part of the fun is making the call early. I encourage you to be bold, too, and not cower in the corner because of fear of being wrong. Who gives a shit if you end up being wrong?


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Dr. Lecter wrote:
This is how it always is. Whenever someone calls you on something you try to compare and show that you're obviously "better", but the difference is that right now I am not pinning down anything as a lokc while you are. Back at the same point last year I pinned down Geisha as a lock and you WTL both turned out to be wrong. I learned my lesson and not calling anything a lock in early September. You are. It is not about comparisons between me and you it is about you and just you.


The difference being, I went with concrete evidence supporting WTL, you had nothing supporting Jarhead, Munich (the foregone "lock" to win it all) and Geisha. You made those predictions when nobody had seen a frame of film, I'm not doing that. That's why Flags isn't a lock. (yet) WTL was a snub. It was even the first thing the hosts of E! mentioned as soon as nominations were announced. It still won a Golden Globe, so it's not like my WTL and your picks are THAT similar.

If I'm wrong about Bobby (and knowing my country like I do, I won't be), you can tell me you told me so all you want to. :smile:

I will continue updating my signature and standing by my selections, and you're welcome to agree, argue against it, or be confused on your position. Part of the fun is making the call early. I encourage you to be bold, too, and not cower in the corner because of fear of being wrong. Who gives a shit if you end up being wrong?


It is not about being right or wrong. You said you had concrete evidence you say that I didn't. What did it matter in the end? Nada. Both were not nominated for BP or BD.

Making calls early on acting noms is fine, but on BP it is rather pointless as far as calling a film a lock goes.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
It is not about being right or wrong. You said you had concrete evidence you say that I didn't. What did it matter in the end? Nada. Both were not nominated for BP or BD.

Making calls early on acting noms is fine, but on BP it is rather pointless as far as calling a film a lock goes.


My call wasn't an embarrassment, yours was, that what mattered in the end. :tongue:

Bobby is a lock. All it needed was strong reviews.


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Emilio Estevez's Bobby "is bound to get mixed reactions from critics, especially those not attuned to the times and attitudes it depicts," says a voice from Los Angeles. "Estevez is aping Grand Hoteland every other multi-story ensemble pic right up to last year's Crash. Taken as a whole It's admirable and, I feel, necessary." I get what he's saying. The under-40s who aren't especially liberal or political-minded aren't likely to respond like boomers who were "there" in one way or another.


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That wouldnt surprise me, the reviews so far havnt been THAT strong anyways.

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WTL should have NEVER been called a lock.

It was a boring film. One of less than 5 movies I never finished watching.

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I remember there was some statistic going around last year about how a director who just won (I forgot which one) Best Director or Best Picture has not gotten nominated for Best Picture for his following film since ____. This was used to argue against Peter Jackson's King Kong last year, and the same applies to Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Father. But Letters from Iwo Jima (December) looks like a likelier BP nominee anyways, esp. w/ a different studio not supporting Dreamgirls.


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Why is World Trade Center still there? Especially above The Last King of Scotland, Bobby, The Good Shepherd...

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Sasha seems to be the one who is following the buzz most closely. She is one of the two who has The Departed in the top 5, but Scott Bowles doesn't have The Queen even in the top 10. She is also one of only 5 to place U93 in the top 10, something the film definitely belongs throughout the season. Anne Thompson's is fine too.

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Looks like Dreamgirls is battling it out with Flags of Our Fathers as the one to beat come Oscar time. Neither film has been screened for critics and/or public. For now, though, those two films have the most early buzz. Flags is there because it's Clint and he's on a roll. Let's face it; the guy is everything AMPAS is about. He's a veteran, an ex-actor, an independent thinker, a maverick - and just when people thought he was down for the count, he comes back with Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby, and now the one two war movies back to back. Then again, everyone thought Munich was a done deal based on that kind of information - so it doesn't do Clint any favors, Oscar wise (not that he cares about such things), to predict his movie to win sight unseen.

In the other corner, Dreamgirls has a hell of a lot of momentum based on the clips screened at Cannes and what people who've seen it are saying about it, though there aren't a lot of public reviews. It is supposed to be a dazzling, moving, beautiful film. If this Oscar race could be compared to a horse race Flags would be the favorite to win while Dreamgirls would be the spirited horse threatening to come up from the outside.

We stand proud as one of only two pundits to be predicting The Departed to be among the nominated five. I know, I know, don't even say it.

So far, the predicted five best pic nominees are:

Dreamgirls
Flags
Babel
The Queen
The Good German

Next up, Best Actress. Helen Mirren and Penelope Cruz, are followed by Kate Winslet and Meryl Streep.

Helen Mirren has been doing great work for decades. Who else but Mirren could have pulled off Jane Tennyson on Prime Suspect? She's riding high on buzz as well, not just for The Queen but for her recent Emmy win for playing the other famous Elizabeth. I've often thought that you can judge a man based on how much he loves Helen Mirren. Only a man with good taste and depth of character can appreciate such a woman. Penelope Cruz is the one everyone was talking about coming out of Toronto. She is the more edgy pick, to be sure, and the star of the great Almodovar's latest film, Volver.

Winslet is brilliant in Little Children and so beloved she'll likely make the cut. But is her part wrenching enough to WIN her the Oscar? Meryl Streep probably won't win again but a nomination is enough at this point.

Next up:
Judi Dench, Notes on a Scandal -- Our Oscarwatch rule: never underestimate the power of Judi Dench. 'Nuff said.

Annette Bening is coming up on the rear - I do think she will be nominated, especially since she's on Oprah today!

Best Actor has Forest Whitaker in the number one spot. Whitaker was just buzzed on Good Morning America with Joel Siegel talking about Whitaker and Helen Mirren ought to ready their Oscar speeches. Whitaker could be the frontrunner going into the race and his momentum may never slow down. Sadly, I'm the only one predicting Jack Nicholson but I think this is because many, like Kris Tapley of In Contention, think he'll be placed in supporting.

So then we have Peter O'Toole, of course. O'Toole is so overdue for an Oscar he's already gotten his honorary one. Leonardo DiCaprio for I guess The Departed. George Clooney for The Good German and Derek Luke for Catch a Fire. Ryan Gosling is pushing up the list as is Matt Damon.

Best Actor is already very crowded. Leonardo DiCaprio has two potential shots at a nod, though, for Blood Diamond and The Departed. Not sure which, if any, will dominate. Also, Matt Damon has The Good Shepherd and The Departed. Nicholson, however, has ONLY The Departed and he dominates the film.



same song, Dreamgirls and Flags.

Flags will get a head start over Dreamgirls in terms of being screened.


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Flags is this years Munich in the way that even if Flags doesnt end up getting overwhelmingly positive word, it'll still get that 4th or 5th spot pretty easily.

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Flags is this years Munich in the way that even if Flags doesnt end up getting overwhelmingly positive word, it'll still get that 4th or 5th spot pretty easily.


Yea, I agree. Honestly unless it's a mega mega masterpiece, I don't think there's much way Flags can win, to be honest. With the Eastwood thing, and the fact that it will be measured up to SPR, I think that Easthaggisberg will probably happily settle for a solid BP/BD nomination, while The Departed, Dreamgirls, and possibly Babel are the ones duking it out for glory.

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Don't count out The Queen, especially if we're going to include Babel in the discussion. I know it baffles my mind, but there just might be a chance that it can win. Very long shot, but somebody already mentioned it after watching it tonight at NY Festival:

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1) I don't use the words sure thing this early, but honestly, I'd be stunned if Helen Mirren doesn't win, and possibly dominates the awards up to the Oscars similar to P.S. Hoffman last year. She is good, to be sure, but combined with her accumulated good will in her career, the close rendering of such a well known public figure, her presence in LA - all just make it hard to think another actress is going to challenge her. She is at her best, like Jack Nicholson is in The Departed, in several throwaway lines of dialogue that both amuse and amaze in their impact.

2) The film is solid, hardly great, but has a number of qualities that combine to make it terrific Oscar bait. The tide could shift, my opinion could vary, but my sense is that of what I've seen, this is the most likely best picture nominee (ahead of other viable candidates like The Departed, Babel, Volver and lesser ones like Little Children, United 93, World Trade Center off the top of my head.

3) Original screenplay is another real possibility for a win. Best director nomination also quite possible, although I doubt a win.

4) The range of supporting performances is terrific - the scene stealer (quite shameless but great fun) is Sylvia Syms as the Queen Mum. Not sure it's large enough a role for a nomination, but she squeezes everything she can out of what she has.

5) Finally - and boy do we have a lot more to see - it is not implausible, seeing the reviews so far, that if this becomes a breakout specialized film - more than Crash, Brokeback level leading up to the Oscars - that this could seriously compete for a best picture win. I am NOT predicting it as a winner - but I can see it happening under the right set of circumstances. This is a film the older Academy members are going to eat up. They often don't vote for their favorites, but what they are expected to choose. Last year they changed course. Maybe they'll go the same way this year.


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Flags is this years Munich in the way that even if Flags doesnt end up getting overwhelmingly positive word, it'll still get that 4th or 5th spot pretty easily.


Yea, I agree. Honestly unless it's a mega mega masterpiece, I don't think there's much way Flags can win, to be honest. With the Eastwood thing, and the fact that it will be measured up to SPR, I think that Easthaggisberg will probably happily settle for a solid BP/BD nomination, while The Departed, Dreamgirls, and possibly Babel are the ones duking it out for glory.


If it ends up being the same quality as SPR and crosses the century mark, it'll win.

One can obviously argue that SPR lost to freakin Shakespeare in Love BUT lets not forget Thin Red Line and Life is Beautiful were also nominated for best picture, which obviously hurt SPR's chances quite a bit.

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