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Magic Mike
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Cotton wrote: Maverikk wrote: revolutions wrote: Sam Nasty wrote: you mean BBM didn't sweep here??  yeah where's BBM? don't gays have values.  Not as long as the current Commander-in-Chief has anything to say about it, they don't. I saw it on TV last night, and you could almost cut the awkwardness with a knife. He really didn't know what to do with the question...as usual  Yeah, I saw that on TV yesterday. He was like, "I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard of it."  He probably wouldn't understand the movie anyway .
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MovieDude
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 Mike wrote: Anyway, to clarify something, I don't have a problem with everything religious. I don't when it comes to religious stuff that actually isn't anti-gay. I didn't bash the shows Joan of Arcadia or Book of Daniel because their Christian message was positive and all-inclusive. It wasn't like, "Jesus loves you, unless you're gay." Even though I'm not religious I have no problem with the positive Christian things, and I don't have a problem with the religious people that aren't closed-minded and unaccepting of everyone. My cousins and aunt are religious but pro-gay, therefore I don't mind that they are. My oldest sister is extremely religious and anti-gay and thinks I have a demon in me because I'm gay, and so she bothers me.
Jesus fucking christ, who are you trying to fool? I can't even count how many times you've talked about how every Republican is the scum of the universe. I'm a big time liberal, and even though I think Bush is the worst President this country has ever endured, I'm not so short sighted and ignorant to constantly lump the entire group as a bunch of bloodthirsty monsters. You're seriously just about the most hypocritical asshole I've ever met, considering you love to do this but go apeshit if someone calls a movie homophobic because a guy calls his best friend a faggot.
But if you think things like this make me prejudice then I guess I am. I don't care if you want to call me that. Everyone is prejudice in some way even if they don't want to admit it or try not to be. I seem to remember you going on a campaign against 50 Cent where you went on about how much you wished someone would kill him so we'd be free of one more homophobe in the world. Ugh, you never cease to amaze me, but whatever.
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Cotton
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MovieDude wrote: Mike wrote: Anyway, to clarify something, I don't have a problem with everything religious. I don't when it comes to religious stuff that actually isn't anti-gay. I didn't bash the shows Joan of Arcadia or Book of Daniel because their Christian message was positive and all-inclusive. It wasn't like, "Jesus loves you, unless you're gay." Even though I'm not religious I have no problem with the positive Christian things, and I don't have a problem with the religious people that aren't closed-minded and unaccepting of everyone. My cousins and aunt are religious but pro-gay, therefore I don't mind that they are. My oldest sister is extremely religious and anti-gay and thinks I have a demon in me because I'm gay, and so she bothers me.
Jesus fucking christ, who are you trying to fool? I can't even count how many times you've talked about how every Republican is the scum of the universe. I'm a big time liberal, and even though I think Bush is the worst President this country has ever endured, I'm not so short sighted and ignorant to constantly lump the entire group as a bunch of bloodthirsty monsters. You're seriously just about the most hypocritical asshole I've ever met, considering you love to do this but go apeshit if someone calls a movie homophobic because a guy calls his best friend a faggot.
But if you think things like this make me prejudice then I guess I am. I don't care if you want to call me that. Everyone is prejudice in some way even if they don't want to admit it or try not to be. I seem to remember you going on a campaign against 50 Cent where you went on about how much you wished someone would kill him so we'd be free of one more homophobe in the world. Ugh, you never cease to amaze me, but whatever. Is he really a homophobe? If so, I guess it takes the wind right out of "Hustler's Ambition".
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| Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:30 pm |
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MovieDude
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Cotton wrote: MovieDude wrote: Mike wrote: Anyway, to clarify something, I don't have a problem with everything religious. I don't when it comes to religious stuff that actually isn't anti-gay. I didn't bash the shows Joan of Arcadia or Book of Daniel because their Christian message was positive and all-inclusive. It wasn't like, "Jesus loves you, unless you're gay." Even though I'm not religious I have no problem with the positive Christian things, and I don't have a problem with the religious people that aren't closed-minded and unaccepting of everyone. My cousins and aunt are religious but pro-gay, therefore I don't mind that they are. My oldest sister is extremely religious and anti-gay and thinks I have a demon in me because I'm gay, and so she bothers me.
Jesus fucking christ, who are you trying to fool? I can't even count how many times you've talked about how every Republican is the scum of the universe. I'm a big time liberal, and even though I think Bush is the worst President this country has ever endured, I'm not so short sighted and ignorant to constantly lump the entire group as a bunch of bloodthirsty monsters. You're seriously just about the most hypocritical asshole I've ever met, considering you love to do this but go apeshit if someone calls a movie homophobic because a guy calls his best friend a faggot.
But if you think things like this make me prejudice then I guess I am. I don't care if you want to call me that. Everyone is prejudice in some way even if they don't want to admit it or try not to be. I seem to remember you going on a campaign against 50 Cent where you went on about how much you wished someone would kill him so we'd be free of one more homophobe in the world. Ugh, you never cease to amaze me, but whatever. Is he really a homophobe? If so, I guess it takes the wind right out of "Hustler's Ambition". I don't know, Mike had a campaign about him being one. I read the interview he based it on, and what I got out of it was that he doesn't hang out with gay guys, but he also doesn't try and push his views onto anyone else. Better then what I can say for some.
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headcrush
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50 Cent:
“I ain’t into faggots. I don’t like gay people around me, because I’m not comfortable with what their thoughts are. I’m not prejudiced. I just don’t go with gay people and kick it – we don’t have that much in common. I’d rather hang out with a straight dude. But women who like women, that’s cool.â€Â
I'm sure everyone would be fine with someone saying they don't like hanging around blacks or jews...
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| Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:22 am |
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Cotton
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headcrush wrote: 50 Cent:
“I ain’t into faggots. I don’t like gay people around me, because I’m not comfortable with what their thoughts are. I’m not prejudiced. I just don’t go with gay people and kick it – we don’t have that much in common. I’d rather hang out with a straight dude. But women who like women, that’s cool.â€Â
I'm sure everyone would be fine with someone saying they don't like hanging around blacks or jews... We're gay, not blind 50 
Anyway, meh. Even though those comments are clearly prejudiced, you'd probably end up going crazy if you were to give two shits everytime you hear something like that. It's not like his comments have any weight anyway,
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| Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:15 am |
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Magic Mike
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headcrush wrote: 50 Cent:
“I ain’t into faggots. I don’t like gay people around me, because I’m not comfortable with what their thoughts are. I’m not prejudiced. I just don’t go with gay people and kick it – we don’t have that much in common. I’d rather hang out with a straight dude. But women who like women, that’s cool.â€Â
I'm sure everyone would be fine with someone saying they don't like hanging around blacks or jews... I don't like hanging around black people because I'm not comfortable with what their thoughts are. I think they are likely thinking about how they want to kill me because I'm white. We just don't have anything in common. I mean, I'm white, they're black, we're like an entirely different species . I'm not prejudice though .
And before I was just bashing 50 Cent and his stupid-looking movie. I'm sick of people thinking he's so cool because he's not. He's prejudice and a bad role model. I didn't exactly say I wished someone would kill him, not to the extreme that you say MovieDude, but I will admit that I wouldn't care if he were dead, not in the slightest. I hate him, so how could I be expected to care?
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Erendis
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50 cent wrote:
I’m not prejudiced. I just don’t go with gay people and kick it – we don’t have that much in common. I’d rather hang out with a straight dude. But women who like women, that’s cool.â€Â
He's not prejudiced. Except when he says that girl/girl is okay while guy/guy is not. Methinks he's thinking with something other than his thinky parts.
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| Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:20 pm |
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Magic Mike
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That wasn't the only comment he's made. That one was in Playboy. He also made one in Spin magazinge.
Here's the article from GW:
Hip Hop Homophobia
Kanye West slammed it. 50-Cent condones it. Where do gays fit into the hip-hop world?
11.18.05
By Ross von Metzke
As rapper Curtis '50 Cent' Jackson’s semi-autobiographical film Get Rich or Die Tryin’ stirs up controversy at cineplexes nationwide, questionable comments he made about gays in hip-hop during a recent interview with Spin Magazine are raising eyebrows among gay activists.
The one time drug dealer turned rap phenomenon has been called “candid†and “surprisingly intelligent†by entertainment journalists who have picked his brain over the past several months, and his love it or hate it ode to the streets, in theatres now, proves theres more to 50 than just a hit rap track. But on the heels of artists like Kanye West and Sean-Paul calling for an end to homophobia in hip-hop, 50-Cent’s recent suggestion that the hip-hop community will never embrace homosexuality is disturbing to say the least.
“In Hollywood you can just be a flat out whore,†50-Cent said to Spin. “In hip-hop, there’s certain standards of things you can’t do. Being gay isn't cool – it's not what the music is based on.
“There's always been conflict at the center of hip-hop, because it's all about which guy has the competitive edge, and you can't be that aggressive if you're gay. If being straight isn't your preference, well, that's up to you. But there's no successful gay men in hip-hop. I mean, some rappers are fruity, but they don't say they're gay out in the open.â€Â
When the Spin reporter goes on to question his reasoning, 50 justifies it by saying that there are no successful gay men in hip-hop, plain and simple. He claims he’s not homophobic, he’s just speaking a truth.
The question entertainment journalists have been posing since the interview? Is he right?
Columbia Chronicle reporter Todd Burbo, who interviewed 50-Cent shortly after the Spin interview, said that while he wasn’t surprised to hear 50-Cent was a homophobe, he was surprised to “hear him speak about it without restraint.â€Â
And obviously, hip-hop artists aren’t suffering too terribly for their candor. In a genre of music that has seen gay activists attack Eminem for lyrics condoning violence against gays, a smash hit for Ghostface Killah in which he refers to enemies as “punk faggot niggas†and reggae artist after reggae artist launch into attack mode against the gay community, these artists are selling songs like hotcakes.
Earlier this fall, Kanye West, hip-hop’s man of the hour, went on the record saying the hip-hop community needs to lay off the homophobia.
“When I was in high school, I was called ‘Fag’ a lot because of how I walked and other little things,†West told MTV in the interview. “And what happened was, it made me kind of homophobic, ‘cause it’s like I would go back and question myself, my own feelings.â€Â
West said finding out his cousin was gay changed his attitude.
“It was kind of like a turning point when I was like, ‘Yo, this is my cousin. I love him and I’ve been discriminating against gays.’ Not just hip-hop, but America just discriminates. And I wanna just, to come on TV and just tell my rappers, just tell my friends, ‘Yo, stop it.’â€Â
Ironically, last month, West was in the headlines again – this time because of accusations that his record label, Def Jam, refused to clear West’s songs to appear in Logo’s original drama series Noah’s Arc because of its gay content.
Series director Patrick-Ian Polk came forward with the accusation, saying: “I'm a fair person, I get that a lot of times these requests and things don't make it to the artist. But he needs to check his people because that's not cool. The black gay community and even the white gay community are big hip hop fans, so they're missing out on a really big market by being short-sighted.â€Â
Just days later, Logo came to West’s defense, claiming they had secured clearance to use his songs in the show and that the entire thing had been a big licensing misunderstanding.
“We are huge fans and supporters of Kanye West, and we look forward to working with the Island/Def Jam Music Group on 'Noah's Arc',†the statement read.
Days after West’s call to action, Jamaican-born rapper Sean-Paul blamed homophobia for taking the focus away from his island’s beautiful music. “Sometimes people need to free up their thinking,†he told the paper in reference to “Chi Chi Manâ€Â, a notoriously anti-gay tune by rapper TOK. “Right now my question to these dudes is, ‘Why say it so many times?’ It’s really hurting the music on a monumental level.â€Â
Artists like West, Paul, Mary J. Blige in her alliance with Elton John, and LL Cool J in his work with notoriously gay-friendly charities for AIDS research are helping to change the image. But 50-Cent’s comments show that while some progress has been made, we still have a long way to go toward gaining acceptance in the hip-hop community.
Later in his article, Burbo likens the hip-hop community to the Republican Party, suggesting the two are mutually exclusive in their open discrimination against gays and lesbians. Republican evangelists and Ghostface can use the word “faggot†and nobody blinks, but if Denzel Washington or Celine Dion tried it, all hell would break loose.
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Dr. Lecter
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Um...so what he said basically is that there are no successful openly gay rappers.
Which is the truth.
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| Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:33 pm |
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headcrush
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Um...so what he said basically is that there are no successful openly gay rappers. And:
"Being gay isn't cool – it's not what the music is based on"
Yes 50, better it be based on violence and extreme misogyny.
oh and this little gem...
"you can't be that aggressive if you're gay"
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Dr. Lecter
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headcrush wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Um...so what he said basically is that there are no successful openly gay rappers. And: "Being gay isn't cool – it's not what the music is based on" Yes 50, better it be based on violence and extreme misogyny. Maybe, but he is telling the truth. This, in fact, is not what rap music is based on. Or would you prove him wrong? _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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| Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:46 pm |
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headcrush
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Rap music can be based on anything, like any other genre of music. 50 Cent does not get to decide.
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Dr. Lecter
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Okay, then tell me about some rap music that is based on anything gay.
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| Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:57 pm |
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dar
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Okay, then tell me about some rap music that is based on anything gay. _________________You Are a Strawberry Daiquiri
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| Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:04 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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How long did it take you to find this? 
Anyway, what about something anyone heard of? Ever? _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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| Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:34 pm |
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Cotton
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Um...so what he said basically is that there are no successful openly gay rappers.
Which is the truth. You'd be VERY surprised to know who's gay and who isn't. I don't mean to get too personal about my life, but I know two guys who are gay (albeit closeted) and they embrace and reflect the whole gangster/rapper image in their persona and style. It's sersiously insane when you think about it because it goes against everything you'd expect.
50 Cent may be right when it comes to the hip-hop scene and gays, but just because what he's saying is the truth doesn't mean it should be treated like gospel. Hats off to Kanye West for speaking out against it. I'm sure it wasn't the easiest thing to do...but I doubt he cared anyway
And btw, who says you can't have edge or be aggressive if you're gay? 
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Dr. Lecter
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Cotton wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Um...so what he said basically is that there are no successful openly gay rappers.
Which is the truth. You'd be VERY surprised to know who's gay and who isn't. I don't mean to get too personal about my life, but I know two guys who are gay (albeit closeted) and they embrace and reflect the whole gangster/rapper image in their persona and style. It's sersiously insane when you think about it because it goes against everything you'd expect. 50 Cent may be right when it comes to the hip-hop scene and gays, but just because what he's saying is the truth doesn't mean it should be treated like gospel. Hats off to Kanye West for speaking out against it. I'm sure it wasn't the easiest thing to do...but I doubt he cared anyway And btw, who says you can't have edge or be aggressive if you're gay? I never said about who is gay or not. I did put the word "openly" there for a reason Because in fact, I know none. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Cotton
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Cotton wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Um...so what he said basically is that there are no successful openly gay rappers.
Which is the truth. You'd be VERY surprised to know who's gay and who isn't. I don't mean to get too personal about my life, but I know two guys who are gay (albeit closeted) and they embrace and reflect the whole gangster/rapper image in their persona and style. It's sersiously insane when you think about it because it goes against everything you'd expect. 50 Cent may be right when it comes to the hip-hop scene and gays, but just because what he's saying is the truth doesn't mean it should be treated like gospel. Hats off to Kanye West for speaking out against it. I'm sure it wasn't the easiest thing to do...but I doubt he cared anyway And btw, who says you can't have edge or be aggressive if you're gay? I never said about who is gay or not. I did put the word "openly" there for a reason Because in fact, I know none. Did any of you see the episode of Oprah about guys "on the down-low"? Basically black guys who have sex and/or cheat on their girlfriends/wives with other guys secretly. The promo tried to make it sound so shocking, as if no one had any idea this was happening, and I was just sitting there going "yeah, this is basically my life!" lol.
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Christian
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HAHAHAHAH one of the best gay terms ever! "On the down low"
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Christian
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Cotton wrote: Did any of you see the episode of Oprah about guys "on the down-low"? Basically black guys who have sex and/or cheat on their girlfriends/wives with other guys secretly. The promo tried to make it sound so shocking, as if no one had any idea this was happening, and I was just sitting there going "yeah, this is basically my life!" lol. You're.... black?  _________________A hot man once wrote: Urgh, I have to throw out half my underwear because it's too tight.
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Cotton
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Christian wrote: Cotton wrote: Did any of you see the episode of Oprah about guys "on the down-low"? Basically black guys who have sex and/or cheat on their girlfriends/wives with other guys secretly. The promo tried to make it sound so shocking, as if no one had any idea this was happening, and I was just sitting there going "yeah, this is basically my life!" lol. You're.... black? Wigger
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Christian
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Cotton wrote: Christian wrote: Cotton wrote: Did any of you see the episode of Oprah about guys "on the down-low"? Basically black guys who have sex and/or cheat on their girlfriends/wives with other guys secretly. The promo tried to make it sound so shocking, as if no one had any idea this was happening, and I was just sitting there going "yeah, this is basically my life!" lol. You're.... black? Wigger Hah. So you date other guys in secret but you watch Oprah in the open?  _________________A hot man once wrote: Urgh, I have to throw out half my underwear because it's too tight.
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Cotton
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Christian wrote: Cotton wrote: Christian wrote: Cotton wrote: Did any of you see the episode of Oprah about guys "on the down-low"? Basically black guys who have sex and/or cheat on their girlfriends/wives with other guys secretly. The promo tried to make it sound so shocking, as if no one had any idea this was happening, and I was just sitting there going "yeah, this is basically my life!" lol. You're.... black? Wigger Hah. So you date other guys in secret but you watch Oprah in the open? Well I see guys who have girlfriends yeah...but I don't have one.
As for Oprah, unfortunately I do not watch her (or should I say fortunately...since I have a life hehe), but I did see the promo. I wish I caught the episode though, as it looked kind of interesting.
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dar
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Dr. Lecter wrote: How long did it take you to find this? Anyway, what about something anyone heard of? Ever? Locating and watching GLBT films was my job for some time. So it was really quick.
Famous or not, there is your proof that It can be done. Hip-hop doesn´t have to be homophobic by definition, and that can not be used as a excuse for being homophobic. _________________You Are a Strawberry Daiquiri
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