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roo
invading your spaces
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 pm Posts: 6194
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 Re: How can we rescue the Foreign Language Category?
Never heard that there was a huge amount of descent for The Counterfeiters, so that's new to me, although being called the original Shack by pond scum such as yourself is almost a compliment.
4 Months was great. But it's lack of nomination doesn't make the other films crappy by default.
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snack
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Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm Posts: 12159
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that's right, Counterfeiters was crappy on its own.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:08 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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 Re: How can we rescue the Foreign Language Category?
roo wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Now I think most of us/all can agree that last year's winner certainly wasn't all that. Not that they had a good lot to choose from anyway (12 is brilliant, though). I found The Counterfieters to be a tremendous film. Are you referring to the fact that Diving Bell wasn't nominated? Which sucks but says nothing about Counterfieters. And I really like The Lives of Others. No, I meant Persepolis and 4 Months. I really find it hard to understand how anyone could consider The Counterfeiters a tremendous film. It is not bad, so I disagree with snack there. It is a decent flick with a great leading performance. But tremendous? I found it offering nothing more/new than what other similar Holocaust flicks already have in the past. Also, it simply pales compared to the complex fellow nominee 12. Only my opinion of course.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:50 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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roo wrote: I found The Counterfieters to be a tremendous film. Are you referring to the fact that Diving Bell wasn't nominated? Which sucks but says nothing about Counterfieters. And I really like The Lives of Others. I'm also a fan of The Counterfeiters - - one of the best foreign films I saw last year...
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:16 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: roo wrote: I found The Counterfieters to be a tremendous film. Are you referring to the fact that Diving Bell wasn't nominated? Which sucks but says nothing about Counterfieters. And I really like The Lives of Others. I'm also a fan of The Counterfeiters - - one of the best foreign films I saw last year... I hope you'll get a chance to check out 12 when it is released in theatres soon.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:41 pm |
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snack
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Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm Posts: 12159
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 Re: How can we rescue the Foreign Language Category?
oh by the way leclec, I was all excited to go see 12 when it opens up here soon (just for you), but now that you crushed my sally hawkins wet dreams, I don't know if I can do that.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:12 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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Yes, YOU CAN! : D
And there wasn't a single vote for The Reader on my ballot...or Slumdog!
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:16 pm |
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Price
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Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:15 pm Posts: 8889 Location: Los Pollos Hermanos
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I saw 12 last Friday, and while I consider it a good movie, it doesn't hold a candle to the original despite the changes in the story that are necessary due to the change of location and culture.
Best thing I found was the acting by some actors that may be stars in Russia, but unknown anywhere else. It was good to see some refreshing 'new' faces.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:23 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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 Re: How can we rescue the Foreign Language Category?
I think that, in order to truly appreciate 12, you need to know the cultural sensibilities of Russia and its relation to Chechnya. That limits the movie, indeed, but as someone with that background, I could enjoy it a lot. Can't blame if some others like it a bit less (though it is still very well made....except for the final 5 minutes maybe). It is very deeply embedded into Russian mentality, IMO.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:26 pm |
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Levy
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Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:06 pm Posts: 16054
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 Re: How can we rescue the Foreign Language Category?
Bradley Witherberry wrote: Levy wrote: If it was only this year, okay. But this category almost always fails to honor the right movies. So how bad was Departures? It hasn't even played in my town yet... This is not about dissing Departures, guys. It's about WWB being high above the rest and not winning.
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Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:49 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Levy wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: Levy wrote: If it was only this year, okay. But this category almost always fails to honor the right movies. So how bad was Departures? It hasn't even played in my town yet... This is not about dissing Departures, guys. It's about WWB being high above the rest and not winning. What we're asking is: How can you determine that Waltz With Bashir is "high above the rest", if you haven't seen Departures?
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Loyal
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Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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from Hollywood-Elsewhere Quote: Take this with a grain but I've been told that Departures won due to a very old but still effective hide-the-ball screening strategy. The fact that it won the Oscar surprised a lot of people so theories have been kicking around. The hide-the-ball strategy, while hardly complex, certainly sounds clever.
Since those foreign-film committee members who vote for the foreign film Oscar have to verify that they've seen all five nominees, the Departures team decided to try to eliminate potential votes for their chief competitors, Waltz with Bashir and The Class, by simply restricting the number of Departures screenings.
The fewer the screenings, the fewer chances existed that Bashir and Class supporters could get to see Departures. The odds that they might miss the Japanese film altogether were therefore increased, as well as possibly disqualifying themselves from casting final ballots.
The publicists involved, Fredel Pogodin in Los Angeles and Sophie Gluck in Manhattan, obviously couldn't control who liked which film, but being experienced publicists they do know, I'm told, who the older impressionable softies are among the foreign-film committee. So their strategy became to make sure that the softies voted and also to try and increase the odds that hipper, edgier, more discerning voters -- the ones who were theoretically more likely to vote for Bashir or The Class -- might potentially be kept from voting by failing to see Departures. Simple.
The older and more conservative types, according to this theory, were likely to respond to the delicate emotional character of Departures. They also might also be more uncomfortable with Bashir's unusual combination of animation and documentary realism, and with its criticism of Isarel's conduct during the Lebanon war.
The oldies, one hears, also tend to be a bit bored with a film like The Class, which uses an intellectual, underplayed, soft-spoken approach in telling a story of a group of French high-school teachers and students.
To keep Departures as hidden as possible, it wasn't shown to press at all during the Oscar campaign time. Not for nothing was Pogodin's first e-mailed invitation for the two press screenings (or at least the first one I received) sent out on 2.17.09 -- the deadline day for final Oscar ballots. Gluck didn't invite New York-area press until 2.23, the day after the Oscar telecast.
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Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:24 pm |
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snack
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Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm Posts: 12159
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shown ZERO times? so I was correct, it was essentially the oldies who picked the 2 nominees (Revanche and Departures) who voted, giving ZERO chance to the movies that they already passed over. what a bullshit system.
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JURiNG
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Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:45 pm Posts: 3016 Location: Cairo, Egypt
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So, I have seen Departures. I was hoping it would be another Lives of the Others (vs. Pan's Labyrinth). It's not even 'the best Japanese film' I've seen in recent years.
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