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Noah Quote: Noah is a 2014 American epic biblical-inspired film directed by Darren Aronofsky, written by Aronofsky and Ari Handel, and loosely based on the story of Noah's Ark. The film stars Russell Crowe as Noah along with Jennifer Connelly, Ray Winstone, Emma Watson, Logan Lerman, Anthony Hopkins, and Douglas Booth. It was released in North American theaters on March 28, 2014 in 2-D and IMAX while several countries will also release a version of the film converted to 3-D and IMAX 3D.
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David
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Noah. God. The deluge to destroy the world and then start it anew. A pair of every living creature housed within a vast ship made of "gopher wood." Beyond the question of one's faith, it is hard to imagine a person not knowing this story or at least having a version of it in his or her head. Here it is interpreted on film by director Darren Aronofsky as a mega-budget action/adventure spectacle and also as a meditation on, among other concerns, the environment and the concept of justice. Russell Crowe is an able Noah: ever a source of cinematic fury and grit, he can create this type of bearded monument to the macho and the mad with ease, though there is never a sense he is challenged despite the iconic nature of the role. The overall result is ambitious and not without a certain objective interest in regard to its production and how it is received around the world, yet, as a film, as an intended entertainment, it is uneven and at times even unpleasant.
Changes to the story as presented in Genesis, or rather details and tensions inserted to turn it into a feature-length film, have generated furious debate. In my opinion, as an atheist who finds the story of Noah intriguing without believing it to be true in any way, shape, or form, a few of the changes are positive and a few are negative. The worst: the conception and inclusion of angels turned stone giants named the Watchers, beings who aid Noah's construction and engage in a brutal fight sequence as the flood begins. These computer-generated monster-protectors play as if they tramped their way out of second-rate deleted scenes from the Lord of the Rings or Pirates of the Caribbean franchises, and I could never invest in their involvement in the storyline. A more rewarding alteration: Tubal-Cain, a smith (descended from the first murderer) briefly mentioned in the Bible, is played by Ray Winstone as a self-proclaimed king who refuses to be stamped out by the Creator to whom the stoic Noah is so beholden, at least not without a bone-crushing, throat-slicing fight. The way his desperate urge toward self-preservation manifests itself is riveting, as is the way he contends with others or seduces them to his side.
In general, aforementioned stone giants notwithstanding, this is a film which rouses in its large moments, but falls short in regard to more fundamental elements, including character development. A scene in which Noah spins a campfire tale regarding God's creation of the universe results in a psychedelic time-lapse montage placing Adam and Eve within an evolutionary context, and the result is as gorgeous as it is provocative. This is a bold and neat gambit. Yet, on the other hand, consider Noah's sons, including Ham and Shem, and how thinly conceived they are. They are important characters, yet there is not a single significant moment of interaction to reveal to the audience the ever-evolving dimension of love and resentment so often shared by brothers and sisters. Portrayed by porcelain stud Douglas Booth, Shem in particular is a nonentity and cipher. And so it goes with Noah the film: amazing visuals and moments of rousing acting give way to hamstrung dramatic beats and underdeveloped characters and ideas.
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choubachou
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Awesome. It really catches the essence of the Noah myth.
9 or 9.5 out of 10.
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:59 am |
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Mau
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Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:42 pm Posts: 16923 Location: Monterrey, Mexico
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LOVED IT.
Aronofsky keeps the streakgoing.
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:23 pm |
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Caius
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Score was aces.
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:35 pm |
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publicenemy#1
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 19423 Location: San Diego
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I really enjoyed this. It's not perfect but it's one of most interesting movies I've seen in awhile.
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:24 pm |
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Corpse
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I agree almost 100% with David. Almost 100% simply because I enjoyed the Watchers story. C+
I'm a bit surprised by the warm reception the film is getting among critics and audiences. I'd imagine there are many religious folk who will be seeing the film that will be very disappointed. My screening had several older people, and a couple of them booed quietly at the end of the film. I've never heard booing for any film before.
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The Dark Shape
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Absolutely loved it.
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:48 pm |
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publicenemy#1
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It was interesting talking about this to one of my friends, who is actually really religious. I wonder how many people will walk out of this and think the storyline was actually in the bible lol
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Mau
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For one second i thought he was really gonna do it, cuz yew know.. aronofsky is cray
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choubachou
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Caius wrote: Score was aces. That's business as usual for Clint Mansell. 
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Algren
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This was really fresh, and I’m glad I’ve now seen it. Aronofsky delivers a biblical epic with a side dish avant garde. The cinematography alone is quite nice (the most striking and memorable thread of this so-called controversial tapestry, actually). The score is powerfully delivered, and builds well in the films’ more poignant scenes. Russell Crowe is believable as Noah, and despite some make-up and costuming errors, the cast/characters are generally good (apart from Emma Watson, who is just far too faux-posh to be part of a story set more than 2000+ years ago). I really liked Anthony Hopkins’ character, Methuselah, who I feel had the best lines and the best delivery too. Connelly is just another female, nothing too special there, and the boys are all unspectacular too.
I love the God/mythical side of the film, and the first half of the film is very good – the Watchers, in particular, are a very good addition to the film (not sure if they were in The Bible, or if ‘Watchers’ were ever even mentioned in The Bible), and the way they were formed (and the constant veering off’s that Aronofsky did in telling side stories) was just fantastic. Then it gets to the part when the flood occurs and Noah turns all psycho-child-killer on us and that, while not overly silly, wasn’t really what I wanted from a figure such as Noah who is, after all, meant to be on the side of good. I also really didn’t like how every moment when a piece of blood was about to be shown, it was cut. So, we saw about three 0.5sec scenes of blood, and for a film that has many people die or get injured (and in such barbaric ways), that was disappointing.
I think this would be in for a Director’s Cut (despite what is being said now that the theatrical version is actually Aronofsky’s version – I say that’s bullshit.)
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Magic Mike
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Really enjoyed this. Especially once they were on the ark. Definitely an interesting take on the story. Jennifer Connelly was great in this. Russell Crowe gives his best performance in a while. Also found Emma Watson really strong. I'm glad Aronofsky put his personal touch on this film. Will piss off many expecting a faithful re-telling of the story from the Bible but those open-minded enough to accept a different interpretation will be rewarded. Not a perfect film but certainly a unique and intriguing one. There's some really nice imagery as well. I only wish I could have seen the film Aronofsky would have delivered given complete creative freedom. He definitely put his touches on it but you know studio interference surely only allowed him to go so far.
8/10 (B+)
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Lafin Atchu
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Anthony Hopkins really likes berries.
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Flava'd vs The World
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A very interesting and sometimes disturbing take on a story that has been around longer than almost any other. Noah, both the movie and character, have a schizophrenia, possibly even a split-personality that is introduced by the possibly schizophrenic Darren Aronofosky. Starting off as a dark fantasy tale, complete with 1980s puppet-stye FX, Noah at first looks at himself and his task as that of a savior. The other people, descendants of the covetous and murderous Cain, have greedily used up the Earth's wealth and now must be punished for it. This is a bit heavy-handed, both by Aronofsky and god, but it does ring true to our situation with climate change. God or no god, the Earth can only handle so much, and whether the water comes from the seas of the skies there will be no running from it. A haunting image of the last humans on Earth clinging to a rock as the waves get higher and higher, eventually washing us all away sums up the entire process. Yet, like all religious processes we can poke holes in this story. For one, if Adam and Eve only had boys then how does the human race still exist? And if god made us, and we are flawed, then didn't god make us flawed? God is clearly not a scientist. If an experiment does not go the way you planned, you don't blame the subjects of the experiment. It would like drowning a rat that could not find the center of the maze. Knowing this inherent ridiculousness is present, Aronofsky goes all in and that is what makes Noah work in the first half.
The second half of the movie is even better, yet doesn't quite gel with the first half as I would have liked. Mostly because the horror is real, it is human. It's not an analogy for global warming and there is no interference from the creator. The obsessions that frames Aronofsky's other films finally takes a grip on Noah, as he realizes that his task is not to save the human race, but to end it. This causes a bit of conflict with his family. Ham, the Ancestor of all Emos, takes it personally when Noah (and a bear trap) cock-block him and he vows revenge. Given the other dramatic storyline on the ark, this comes off as very petty. One must wonder that if Noah had spent less time building arks and more time being a father that whole situation could be avoided. Nothing really comes of it though, so it is no matter and Ham is free to start his society of emos should he live through the ordeal. The bigger conflict centers around the ever-hotter Emma Watson, once barren but now very pregnant. Noah believes it is task to end the human race, and therefore if the baby is a girl he will "strike it down." We, the audience, are invited to look at Noah as a villain for perhaps the first time in history. We've seen the horrors of humanity, heck we continue to see them every day in the present. Yet nothing about that should make people conclude that the human race does not deserve to exist, even if it is a logical conclusion. Survival is our most important instinct. To see Noah fight against this is fascination, his guilt-driven insanity growing faster than his mighty beard. At this point in the movie I expected him to go from room to room striking down everybody one by one. That is a villain. And if Noah is a villain, then isn't god also a villain in this story? It makes one wonder.
There are two great movies here, they just don't fit together as well as they should. I also wish the movie had been rated R. I don't need the blood or the boobs (though that would have been AWESOME ... one day), its just that the R rating would have let Aronofsky loose even more than what was on screen. He wouldn't have to worry about children, who this movie is clearly not for anyways. Black Swan didn't have much violence, nudity or offensive language , yet the R rating let DA set the perfect tone there. Here the tone between the first and second half is off, and even though the movie is still very strong, i can't help but feel we could have had a classic here.
Performance ranking:
1. Russell Crowe 2. Emma Watson (her first great performance IMO) 3. Anthony Hopkins 4. Ray Winstone 5. Jen Connelly 6. Hermione's Meat 7. Young Kid Who Never Talks 100. Horny Ham
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Price
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Gamaur wrote: As a huge Aranofsky and Crowe... For being such a huge fan you spell his name wrong every time you mention him. At least it's not as bad as Flava'd (Aronofosky). 
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El Maskado
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One thing that bugs me about the movie is that supposedly carnivores are evil so that god cleansed the earth yet somewhere down the line, Lemech's line were not going to be vegetarians.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:53 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
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I don't think it was carnivores, or the lions wouldn't have been invited. It's about not taking more than you need. The anti-Wolf Of Wall Street.
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nghtvsn
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NOAH
I was hesitant to be interested in this film especially after that first trailer. It just looked dull and uneventful. How can you make the film appear that way after a trailer idk but that's how it came across. The Emma Watson casting I hated. I thought she would be quite out of place. After I watched the film, I can say that Emma was fine; she was believable. However, Crowe and Lerman were the standouts for me. Masterful is how I'd describe Crowe's performance. Lerman brought a vulnerability and yet truth to his character. You could just see all the struggles that were going on just by his expression in multiple scenes. Again, I liked the design and look of the film. There were some fantastic visuals in the film and interpretation of the creation story was a highlight as well. Overall, I was completely surprised at how much I loved the film and the emotion and intensity it was able to create. One last thing, I thought the soundtrack just helped to enhance the quality of the film.
Grade - A
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Algren
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I hate the names Ham and Shem.
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Flava'd vs The World
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I liked the FX for the watchers. It reminded me of Jim Henson puppet effects from the 80s, which fit the tone of the first half.
I think burning the raft was meant to be his "Heeeeeeeeerrrrreee's Johnny!", but wasn't quite as effective. Though certainly not as bad as you're going on about.
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Will it offend my delicate atheistic sensibilities?
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Dr. Lecter
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Magnus wrote: Emma half naked was worth the ticket price.
That qualifies as half-naked for you?
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Bradley Witherberry
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I enjoyed this dramatic variation on the Bible story - - though I was disappointed within the context of that variation that Noah wasn't able to complete his mission due to the unending betrayal of his family. Just think - - Earth really could have been restored to a garden of eden if Japheth really had been the last man as planned.
8 out of 5.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Gamaur wrote: As a huge Aronofsky and Crowe fan I had a good feeling about this after the first trailer. Aronofsky brings a cerebral and complex edge to everything he does, investing an unrivalled amount of intelligence to his art. I don't know the guy, but I'd say he's the closest thing to a genius currently working in Hollywood. Not quite Kubrick level, but close.
Unfortunately 'Noah' represents a low in his career.
It's unbalanced, uncertain and unconvincing as historical myth or pure entertainment. It's merits are plentiful, but function independently from the whole. Like an under-cooked pizza with all your favourite ingredients - potentially delicious, yet disappointingly unsatisfying.
Aronofsky is a much bolder filmmaker than this. He's taken liberties and risks with the story, but his version still feels safe. Scenes of brutality are no substitute for challenging your audience with complex ideas and social or philosophical commentary.
The sweeping camera shot that circles around the arc, combined with Mansell's epic score, is spectacular. So to is the motion capture exposition at around the half-way mark, which is one of the most beautifully shot sequences since the Tree of Life. Crowe and the cast are good, the score is outstanding and the visuals are generally top notch. The problem stems from ridiculousness of the story, which Aronofsky either believes too much to challenge, or respects to much to criticise, resulting in a dichotomy between his skill as a filmmaker and the films narrative.
As a result, I couldn't take the melodrama that seriously and felt like there was an uneven focus around varying challenges the characters had to face. The situation with the twin babies should have been arresting to the viewer, but it seemed like forced drama. The degree to which you care depends on the value you place on Noah's loyalty to God. As an atheist, I needed much more convincing. That's not to say my personal belief got in the way of the film, rather that the self-importance of the film demanded a different belief to mine to be taken seriously. If it were more pure fantasy it wouldn't be an issue, but this is presented very much as a biblical tale, albeit one with a darker edge than standard.
Overall I'd say it's an ok film, with moments of greatness undermined by inconsistencies in tonality. It's a challenging ask to make a simple childrens story feel complex, profound and important, and unfortunately for me Noah fell a long way short.
C+
Additional commentary:
This realisation the story surprisingly makes little attempt to improve the plausibility of events. Let's break it down rationally:
The idea of the arc, as portrayed by the film, was to save all land animals from a demise intended for no-good humans descended from a race of bad people who were doing bad things Apparently this race populated the whole earth and in spite of the multitude of different cultures that must have existed at the time, everyone was bad except for Noah and therefore our entire species needed to be destroyed All black, brown, white and asian ethnicities and cultures must have evolved from Noah's family in the past 4,000 years since the event To take one example, Aborigines are a race with more than 40,000 years of cultural history Forget that though, they really descended from Noah's family in 1/10th the time (after canoing across the Indian or Pacific Ocean to Australia)
There are several million species of land animal that needed to be on board the arc, and in pairs would equal a number between 5 and 10 million strong The arc is depicted as being 500ft in length with 3 levels The actual size needed would be at least that of the 'Prelude FLNG' All animals arrived within a few days of 'God's call' This means millions of species of land animal had to make their way around the world, often swimming over vast oceans, in order to be saved, at a speed greater than a contemporary warship In the film, there's only a few thousand species depicted
The flood lasted for a year and covered every corner of the globe Literally every land mass was fully submerged This would require the melting of both icecaps plus an increase in our planetary water mass by over a third Following the end of the flood, some mechanism must have flung the additional water into space, fast-tracked the refreezing of the icecaps, the creation of glaciers and the re-population of continents tens of thousands of miles/km away
You can fairly describe the story as being about an overlord who was shitty with the behaviour of a minority group he created, so he decided to murder the entire species in genocide along with billions of innocent creatures, all to allow the re-population of the earth from the seed of a few of his pals. It's closer to a depiction of Nazi Germany than it is a resource of morality.
You could go on all day with this shit. It's obviously just a story with no basis in reality, and I can't help but feel sorry for people who take it seriously. I have to QFT this for the ages - - is anyone on KJ more benighted? 
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