It is not. The dissection of the artist in the wrestler is handled with considerable restraint and is very low key. Requim is certainly melodramatic but it never features the type of camp shots, orchaestral surges, cheesy lines, basic character archetypes etc. that are so prevalent in Black Swan. That's why I don't see Aronofsky playing this movie straight faced.

Your wrong on most of the above. And Black Swan is a thriller, unlike all the others you mentioned.

Black Swan is a lot more of a thriller than Requiem? I think not, and since you are one to criticize broad unsupported comments, what is wrong about my comments? What evidence or support do you have to back up that opinion?

All backup has been provided already. as you missed so much on Black Swan.

First, it was serious and not campy at all. As most above have said. The Mother, Mila, Killing Mila, shit even the Winona character. Were all part of the story.

And there is no way that Requiem was more of a thriller!

I'll admit it, I usually associate melodrama with anything with people conflict and feelings, rather than over the top. Black Swan still fits in his repetoire, still

Well according to your rank, you might just be a zombie.

You misunderstood, I was not looking for sweeping general statements restated, I was asking for support, evidence, and analysis of these claims. Tell me why you feel that these views are so obviously correct. WHAT makes you think it is completely serious, what makes it way more of a thriller than requiem?

What makes you say that? The melodrama in Requiem was often intense but there were no outrageous interactions or charcter archetypes/behaviors that did not fit within reasonable reactions given the scene. There was no melodrama present in The Wrestler.

And in this particular case I am using melodrama referring to extreme over the top emotions and behaviors.

Considering the nature of the film, a film that is suppose to transform Nina's own life in a materialization of Swan Lake, and also one that is suppose to be a representation of Nina's own mind, warped by control over the years, the extreme nature of the emotions, put into over drive sure, seems fitting.

its all taste, I am certain the "film buffs" who came out and say films like this or Inception are needlessly over the top, like films we would find to be stupid.

It is all about taste.

I look at the film and the films that release around it.

Black Swan is easily top ten material of the year and much better than 95% of the film's out there.


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about Melodrama, you guys love Children of Men to death, that had a lot of Melodrama. This whole thread is a pointless argument about nothing.

Actually this is about the only conversation that has actually been worth having on this site in a long time. People are actually looking into the the movie beyond "this had good acting and was really cool." Analyzing the motivations, interests, themes, etc. of the filmmaker and the movie itself are far more interesting and worthwhile.
Also, melodrama is not being used as a negative, if you actually read what is being said. I quite liked this movie, I just think the melodrama hints at a satirical ovr the top edge that is not meant to be taken as complete pan-face literal delivery, ala a Sam Mendes project.

Have you seen Repulsion, Michael A?

No I haven't, (I've never actually seen a Polanski film to be honest.)

this means absolutely nothing.

i don't understand how acknowledging black swan's camp and hysterical melodrama (which are irrevocably, absolutely present) negates its overall quality for some people. michael a is making some (shockingly) great points in this thread and they are being completely dismissed for no reason i can see beyond "this concept doesn't fit inside my narrow scope of what a Good™ movie is."

Sorry to you previous statements, I can't discuss something that I don't think is there. And I have read numerous reviews and all have said brilliant and none have said camp.

And there was nothing over the top about anyone is this movie. They were all portrayed as very intense due to the demanding situations. But all of these people are treated like real people.

And they would have had to be written much differently, to be what you say.

Perhaps I found it good for different reasons and don't conform to the way you view the film and am simply defended the way I view it? Sure I can perfectly understand how the move can viewed as hysterical, but I did find Nina's situation with her mother relatable, and not just in a broad sense.

After seeing a glut of most every Oscar hopeful in the past week... Black Swan puts all the 'prestige pics' to shame. It's the first Aronofsky movie that's 100% worked for me... But I love camp!
For instance, my top five of 2010...
1. Scott Pilgrim vs. The World
2. Black Swan
3. Inception
4. Exit through the Gift Shop
5. Splice

As camp, it is boring; as a serious drama, it fails. I say it is a half-cooked portrayal of method acting.

Then you must hate Black Swan 'cause it ain't camp!

(...as already covered on page 2 and 3 of this thread.)

makeshift already kind of hinted at this, but it's as if Brian De Palma watched The Red Shoes and The Fly and thought, man, there's a movie in between them somewhere

i was not expecting the Cronenbergian body horror stuff

Have now seen it three times. Gets better every time. LOVE this film! Now an A+.

Yup. While waiting for True Grit and another movie the other day, I sat through the First 30 minutes of both Black Swan and the Fighter.

Both movies are truly captivating.

And I will see both again in the theaters.

keep fuckin' that chicken, brad.

lol what does that mean

I like how threads dedicated to Black Swan inevitably turn out just as insane as the movie itself.

No.