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Variante Ascari wrote: Also you mention the supposedly diverse South Africa as if you are unaware of the fact its a rather corrupt shell of the old Mandela idealism.
I am very well aware of that, just as I am of the fact that South African culture, like that of most other countries, is deeply sexist and patriarchical. But the film is not critical of that; it is merely a reflection of it. Quote: And who is to say the Alien father is not also a type of female, in fact the aliens seem to be utterly sexless considering you never see them engage in any type of sexual act (bar the photoshop picture where they are receiving rather then giving so to speak) and their appears to be a lack of identifiable genitalia. Dare I say it is Alien racism on display Boxy! That proves my point. Sex is so ambiguous and unresolved a topic in this film that the very concept of interracial sex seems absurd and completely out of place. It's just unnecessary. Quote: I never found the violence numbing at any point either simply because of the utterly destructive nature of it tends to overload the human brains ability to compartmentalise. Movies have to a certain degree trivialised "mundane" death like shotgun but when I see somebody or some alien on screen literally explode like a firecracker the massive punch of it is just impossible to ignore. Halfway through the film I completely lost interest in those pieces of flesh flying around. All I could think of what "oh look, even more CGI." Ironically, the audience was far more repulsed with the nails and teeth being pulled out than with human beings and aliens being eviscerated or blown up. I find that strange, that the director understands that the things that most repulse us are those we can more likely imagine as happening to us, but that he stubbornly insists on dwelling. Again, he has the mentality of a smart male adolescent, but a male adolescent nonetheless. Quote: I'm afraid I consider that criticism to be abit of a cop out. You are using vague terms in an attempt to make the statement correct by proxy. I mean if I wanted I could take this statement and say The Shawshank Redemption re-affirms that all black men are dangerous criminals since Red spent 40 years inside. Or that Die Hard showed Americans can never trust evil Europeans...................ok I'm taking the piss with that one abit but still! Your examples don't correlate exactly with mine. Even if you said that a viewer might view the fact that Red is a black man and in jail proves to him or her that black people are criminals, it wouldn't be a fair comparison, because Shawshank, last time I checked, did not have racialist structure as a bedrock of its narrative. At any rate, as I said at the beginning of my review: Quote: I have several reservations about it, some of which are fundamentally unfair if taken as judgment values against the film (they are not). I'm not really criticizing the film on that count, but I am pointing out a fundamental flaw in the kind of film that this is. It seems to me to be inescapable. Quote: If you pushed me for criticism's I found the entire Nigerian voodoo black magic angle to be rather silly. Plus the main player says fookin hell way to much! Well, the whole Nigerian thing is nonsense, and I think it's a kind of copout. There is no way in hell that South Africans would wait around long enough to let the Nigerians set up camp in District 9. Criminals and gangs from South Africa itself would have taken over. But given that the overwhelming majority of them, given South Africa's demographics (I think only 4% are White), you'd basically have Black and Coloreds South Africans represented as the thugs and criminals, and White South Africans as those in positions of power. But that would an uncomfortable and unwelcome element of racism to the film, so the filmmakers opted to slander a nationality-Nigerian-instead of non-white racial groups. That's a cop out, if you want one.
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Box wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: Box wrote: Films that are critical of corporate greed are always hypocritical, by necessity. Few commodities will be as financially viable this year as this film will be, given its box office success. Wrong. (...but what delightfully fancy language you use!) Apparently there's already a sequel planned for this film. Any chance that has to do with the money this film is making? Let's recap: All financially viable films are hypocritical examples of corporate greed regardless of their message. Absolutely, because the genius of capitalism is that it can support criticism of itself within its bounds very comfortably, and churn it out for profit. That's why Marxist scholars at colleges and elsewhere can go on criticizing capitalism while having, for the most part, cushioned teaching jobs and healthy income from book sales, lectures, and whatever else. As I just said to Gulli, I'm not being critical of the film on that count, because it would be unfair to level that accusation against it, because there is nothing to be done about it. But it has to be pointed out, because it highlights the difficulty of overcoming the system that films like this are critical of, but of which they are a product. Films are expensive to make. This one cost $30m. Very few individuals have that kind of money, and invariably, almost all major films are commodities produced by corporations for public and mass entertainment. District 9 is one of those commodities.
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Loyal
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so um, I liked the splatter gun.
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:38 am |
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Gulli
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Well using Nigerians for the voodoo lunacy I partly understand since its a sad fact the majority of the criminal element in African communities in Europe are of Nigerian descent. You are right they are far less plausible in South Africa.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Box wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: Box wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: Box wrote: Films that are critical of corporate greed are always hypocritical, by necessity. Few commodities will be as financially viable this year as this film will be, given its box office success. Wrong. (...but what delightfully fancy language you use!) Apparently there's already a sequel planned for this film. Any chance that has to do with the money this film is making? Let's recap: All financially viable films are hypocritical examples of corporate greed regardless of their message. Absolutely, because the genius of capitalism is that it can support criticism of itself within its bounds very comfortably, and churn it out for profit. That's why Marxist scholars at colleges and elsewhere can go on criticizing capitalism while having, for the most part, cushioned teaching jobs and healthy income from book sales, lectures, and whatever else. Continuing our recap: The only legitimate criticisms of capitalism could ever be created by forest dwelling tribes and these criticisms must not be seen nor read by anyone in order to be valid. Are you sure you're talking about Marxism here? It sounds closer to Zen Buddhism...
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:04 am |
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Box
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No Bradley, criticism of capitalism within capitalist societies such as ours is perfectly legitimate. This has nothing to do with legitimacy. It's a question of hypocrisy. Again, I don't think it's necessarily a fault in the film. It's easy to escape charges of hypocrisy on this count, however; just be self-aware. I imagine that filmmakers in the world in which the film is set would have made lots and lots of films about the aliens over the course of the 20 years. If the filmmakers had shown people in the film going to a film about the aliens, that would have been a neat moment of self-awareness, especially if the films were made by MNU. But that'd be aligning yourself with the bad guys, and why would you do that? Besides, it'd be unnecessary to the film's plot, just like the interspecies sex thing. Variante Ascari wrote: its a sad fact the majority of the criminal element in African communities in Europe are of Nigerian descent. I think that statement is more properly understood with respect to the fact that the large majority of African immigrants to Europe (not including Mahgrebs from Algeria and Morocco and the whole French colony thing), are from West Africa. Nigeria's population of around 160m accounts for more than half of West Africa's entire population of 300m. If, as you say, the majority of the criminal element in the African communities of Europe are Nigerian, then it'd be rather unsurprising given the demographics. And Nigeria is much bigger than any of the other African countries, South Africa excluded. So the criminal elements have a stronger base there.
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Loyal
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I drove through several West African countries 7 months ago and those warlords in D9 looked very familiar to me. It's easy to quote text but when you're in the thick of shit, it's a different story. In that regard, I thought D9 was fairly realistic.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Box wrote: I imagine that filmmakers in the world in which the film is set would have made lots and lots of films about the aliens over the course of the 20 years. If the filmmakers had shown people in the film going to a film about the aliens, that would have been a neat moment of self-awareness, especially if the films were made by MNU. Now that's interesting! Perhaps unrealistic for this particular film, but an interesting point compared to your Marxist blather...
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:17 am |
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Box
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Bradley loyalfromlondon wrote: I drove through several West African countries 7 months ago and those warlords in D9 looked very familiar to me. It's easy to quote text but when you're in the thick of shit, it's a different story. In that regard, I thought D9 was fairly realistic. Who is denying their existence? We've all seen Akon. My point is that there's no reason why they would be Nigerian rather than South African, particularly given that South Africa has such an enormous criminal element within its own border. I think it has the largest murder rather in the world, in fact. Or they could be from all over the place, which would make sense too. At any rate, it's clear that "Nigerian" stands, in some ways, as a code word for African scam artists, criminals, thugs, etc. I just think it's cheap and easy, maybe even slanderous.
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Chippy
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How did you get "tired" of all the splatter half way through the movie... when there really wasn't any splatter at all in the first half?
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:07 pm |
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Box
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I meant the eggs and stuff.
Also, I don't mean halfway as in exactly starting at the 56th or 57th minute. It just became dull after a certain point.
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Chippy
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Like when you got to the theater and had already started hating it?!
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:21 pm |
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Box
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Hey, I liked the film!
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:22 pm |
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Chippy
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Well you're sure not showing it!!! 
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Man, when did this thread become Dark Knight vs. Box 2.0?
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Went to the last show of the day yesterday and it was sold out. Bloody awesome movie. Great performance by everyone. Kickass and bloody violent movie. Awesome kills. The lead alien is fucking ace. The kid alien is cute. The story is engrossing. The ending is great. Felt bad for the guy. It had its funny moments too. Nigerians are bad guys.  Alien CGI is very good. I knew this would be the best movie of the summer. Fokin loved the movie. 9.5/10 (A+) I am having a hard time seeing how other movies will top this year.
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Biggestgeekever wrote: Man, when did this thread become Dark Knight vs. Box 2.0? When I posted my review? Maybe it's a good thing I don't watch a lot of movies... Fortunately, Ladiesman just came to the rescue...
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Now that I've had 24 hours to reflect on this movie, I'm left with 2 thoughts: I wonder how the rest of the Aliens stuck back on earth feel about the lone Alien and offspring stealing the Mothership to go back home and not bothering to take any of them with him and the 2nd one is when Christopher promised Wikkus that he'd be back in 3 years and promised, how he's going to be able identify Wikkus since by the time he "Supposedly" comes back, he'll already be transformed???
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Viper Rodgers
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The Briss has returned!!! The first issue of the Nevada Sagebrush was published today which contains my first full review since Wolverine. This year I am going to really push to get on rotten tomatoes. I'm sure many of you will find that downright wrong, but I meet all the qualifications and am only improving on my writing skills even if I have a very different view on movies. So give it to me straight guys like you always do! http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2009/08 ... ar-sci-fi/
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Definitely a fun ride. District 9 was amazing to look at and the story's pretty solid. I liked how the aliens were neither evil nor necessarily good, just like humans. Some of them were more violent than others. They didn't even try to use their own weapons, which I am still pondering over. Perhaps they did not know how, or they didn't believe violence could get them what they needed (food & shelter). The lead actor was amazing, while the little kid alien was my favorite.
MIGHT be my favorite movie of 2009. Tough choice between Up, Half-Blood Prince, Star Trek, and this.
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I did like Box's point on why does Wikus' desire to be back with his wife trump all of these other soldier's lives and identities. Wikus blows through at least 20 of them in the film, and the film does it in a way that you want to root for him. All of those MNUers most likely had a family and some children. (I think that's what you were saying.)
An additional note, my school is actually called MNU so I am sure this movie will have some legacy there for years to come lol.
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Brünviper wrote: The Briss has returned!!! The first issue of the Nevada Sagebrush was published today which contains my first full review since Wolverine. This year I am going to really push to get on rotten tomatoes. I'm sure many of you will find that downright wrong, but I meet all the qualifications and am only improving on my writing skills even if I have a very different view on movies. So give it to me straight guys like you always do! http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2009/08 ... ar-sci-fi/your reviews, while sometimes very misguided, imo, are a pleasure to read and you belong on RT far more than people like armond white and Stephanie whatsername, do. It would be cool if they put you on. don't have time at the moment to read that whole review but I will and get back to you. Glad you liked this film.
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Viper Rodgers
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John Savage wrote: Brünviper wrote: The Briss has returned!!! The first issue of the Nevada Sagebrush was published today which contains my first full review since Wolverine. This year I am going to really push to get on rotten tomatoes. I'm sure many of you will find that downright wrong, but I meet all the qualifications and am only improving on my writing skills even if I have a very different view on movies. So give it to me straight guys like you always do! http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2009/08 ... ar-sci-fi/your reviews, while sometimes very misguided, imo, are a pleasure to read and you belong on RT far more than people like armond white and Stephanie whatsername, do. It would be cool if they put you on. don't have time at the moment to read that whole review but I will and get back to you. Glad you liked this film. Awwww, why thanks savage. I really appreciate it. If I get on it will also give me an excuse to be a full time critic and not just school seasonal : )
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Here's a quick read about certain aspects of the movie: http://io9.com/5341120/5-things-you-did ... district-9Quote: There's a lot more to District 9 than just exploding Tesla guns. Did you know one actor played all the aliens, plus some major scenes were improvised? We list the top things you should know about the new alien epic.
After the District 9 roundtable and a one-on-one with director Neill Blomkamp, we found out a lot about what went on behind the scenes while making the alien feature. And some of the District 9 fact we uncovered may shock you, all quotes are from Blomkamp:
One actor plays all of the talking aliens.
It's only one actor who plays every alien, it's Jason Cope. He plays every single alien.
Most, if not all, of the alien interaction and dialogue with Wikus during the eviction scene was improvised by Jason Cope or the actor Sharlto Copely (Wikus).
So we would film the two of them and then we would go to a different shack. And he'd pretend to evict a new alien. Then we'd go somewhere else and somewhere else. So it was just the two of them. It's the conversations between those two, the actual dialogue and what actually came out of them was totally improved. Any details in words and the language between the two happened right there on the day of shooting. That what makes it feel like they are really communicating...
But stuff like when he walks up in to the shack and says, "this is a gang sign, we're in a gang area right here," we would draw the sign on the wall and he would randomly say it's a gang area. And that meant because he's walking up to a shack that has an alien in it with a whole story that we've written with those guys distilling their fluid and I'm like, "that's interesting you just said that the supporting alien character is a gangster." But if it works, we keep going.
The District 9 alien homes were actually shot in a recently evacuated area of impoverished housing. The homes you see the aliens getting evicted from were homes that humans had recently been kicked out of, for real.
There was a very weird cross over between the film and the reality of filming. We filmed in an area called Chiawelo, which is a suburb of Soweto, which is sort of a suburb of Johannesburg. And there is this thing in Africa called RDP housing, which are government-subsidised housing. Where they will build you a brick house in a different area of the city. And you get put put on a waiting list if you're a South African impoverished resident, until you are able to get one of these houses. So the area we filmed the movie in, what plays as District 9, every single resident in that area was being removed to be put into RDP housing. Although not all of them had been given the green light on the RDP housing, most of them had, but all of them were going to be moved, whether they liked it or not. So we ended up with this open piece of land with all these shacks on it...each day we came to set, there were fewer and fewer people.
As you may know, District 9 was inspired by Neill Blomkamp's short film Alive In Joburg. But what many people don't realize is that he created Alive In Joburg's footage of people being interviewed about aliens, by using real interviews.
I was asking black South Africans about black Nigerians and Zimbabweans. That's actually where the idea came from was there are aliens living in South Africa, I asked "What do you feel about Zimbabwean Africans living here?" And those answers — they weren't actors, those are real answers...
The "Prawn" are from the Andromeda Galaxy.
I think that they [the Prawn] do have a home planet, it's pretty far away probably in the Andromeda Galaxy, but what I like is that they'll live on the ship for thousands of years. Obviously, there's much more of a population on the main planet, but the ships will go out and get the minerals and the ore and whatever resources they need and then bring them all back home.
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jmovies
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District 9 is one of the best sci-fi films in a while. It's an intense thrill ride from start to finish. Sharlto Copley makes a wonderful debut in this film as the main character Wilkus. The visuals are absolutely wonderful and its jaw dropping to think it was made on such a small budget. It doesn't quite pass Cloverfield but this is a film that should definitely NOT be passed up by audiences. A-
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