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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21889 Location: Walking around somewhere
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 Re: Jack Reacher
This movie rocked, a major surprise. But Cruise films usually tend to surprise me. I still have no idea why Valkyrie, Knight and Day, The Last Samurai worked, but in all cases it has to do with Cruise. He's great here. The action is solid, the film is unsettling at times, and the humor is great yet subtle enough to not take away from the serious tone of the film. I'd love a sequel. Nice to see Duvall again My only issue which I didn't get Why was Herzog killed in the end? It seemed like he hinted that Rosamund was an accomplice as Jack could never prove it was him with "His word against mine" kind of deal A
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Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:16 pm |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68350
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Thegun wrote: Why was Herzog killed in the end? It seemed like he hinted that Rosamund was an accomplice as Jack could never prove it was him with "His word against mine" kind of deal Herzog was a bad man that orchestrated everything bad in the movie. As rules of film go, he deserves to die. He was killed because he is the villain. But because he didn't do anything dirty hisself, and because a lot of Reacher's "evidence" against Herzog was either a hunch or not official police work, he was basically saying that it was Reacher's word against his, and that the police would probably side with him over Reacher because Reacher was already wanted for supposedly murdering that girl, Sandy anyway. So Reacher, knowing that if he kills him it makes no difference (the police will still be looking for him), follows through and kills him because he'll only be saving more people down the road by doing so.
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Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:51 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21889 Location: Walking around somewhere
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Thanks for unspoiling my post, I understand all that, the point is it wouldn't be his word against his, Pike's character could vouch that she was kidnapped by him, and they had enough evidence against the company Herzog was in charge of. You missed my entire post. I think the only explanation I can think of is that he was gesturing that Pike's character would not be safe as long as he was alive.
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Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:31 pm |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68350
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Spoilers are allowed in here. People that haven't seen the movie shouldn't be reading this thread anyway.
I wish people wouldn't be so quick to claim that others "didn't get" or "missed" a point or post. I got your post, but you're over-thinking it. The stuff you wrote most recently about Pike's character not being safe if Herzog remained alive, it's irrelevant. Reacher kills him for the reasons in my initial reply. I cannot remember the exact words that Herzog uttered, so he may have mentioned something about Pike's life being endangered, but it doesn't really matter because there are other more obvious reasons for his killing.
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Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:56 am |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21889 Location: Walking around somewhere
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Spoilers are allowed, but if I put it in a spoiler, I'd prefer if you not quote it.
Again, you missed the point of my first post. You'r just not getting it dude. If you don't remember then move on. He wanted him to be taken alive. It was his suggestion to call the police, and have him arrested. I was asking of his sudden change of mind, as the interplay and the look Cruise gives, but I pretty sure I answered better than you're (He's a badass theory)
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Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:37 am |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68350
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Ok whatever. It's not such a difficult movie to grasp. If you want to look too deep, it's upto you.
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25035 Location: Anchorage,Alaska
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BJs Grade:
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Very Strong film, among my fop 5 for 2012. Like with Ghost Protocol Cruise surprised me big time. The trailer was unquestionably one of the worst of the year, and the decade, particularly for a summer or winter tent-pole, but in the end the trailer meant nothing because Jack Reacher fucking rocked.
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Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:06 pm |
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Bluebomb
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Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:53 am Posts: 3028
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Viper Rodgers wrote: Man, I really don't see where you guys are coming from in calling this a better-than-average action thriller. It just screamed mediocrity to me. A blah script scattered with witty one-liners and decent action sequences. Cruise is fine, but Herzog just feels so wasted and underdeveloped. And the scene with the henchman and his fingers is just weird...
As always, to each his own, but I just am not a fan.
C I agree with most of this. I thought the beginning was boring. Almost fell asleep. Then near the end, the action picks up but it felt like the movie switched into being a straight up action movie. It's like 2 different halves converged to form one movie. I can't say that I hated the film though because I somewhat liked the action scenes. I feel the same way about this movie as I did about Argo. It's competent but not exciting or outstanding enough. One thing I don't understand is why reveal the true killer at the beginning of the movie? Wouldn't it be better to have the suspected killer carry out the killings and then have the audience find out who did it along with Jack Reacher? I felt like they wasted a lot of time just getting to who did it when it could be better spent getting to know the characters like Herzog or Charlie. They didn't flesh out a lot of the characters like the detective, etc. By the way, did anyone else chuckle at the beginning of the credits when it said "A Tom Cruise Production"?
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68350
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Bluebomb wrote: One thing I don't understand is why reveal the true killer at the beginning of the movie? Wouldn't it be better to have the suspected killer carry out the killings and then have the audience find out who did it along with Jack Reacher? http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=98149Bluebomb wrote: By the way, did anyone else chuckle at the beginning of the credits when it said "A Tom Cruise Production"? I didn't chuckle, but I noticed it and thought it was a welcome change.
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Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:15 pm |
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35246 Location: Minnesota
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Seeing this tonight. I hope I like it. Seems good.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:41 pm |
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35246 Location: Minnesota
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I'd hoped I'd enjoy it more but it was still good. Nothing terribly special though.
6/10 ( B- )
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Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:24 am |
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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It's...OK. The film ended about two hours ago and I've already pretty much forgotten it. Tom Cruise is a decent fit for the role, although the constantly frigid Rosamund Pike is miscast and none of the other actors register. Some good action sequences (particularly the car chase) but the movie is just sort of there, existing without striving for much more. C+
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Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:37 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11614 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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Libs, you do realize, that now, you and Algren must Kung Fu fight
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Libs, you do realize, that now, you and Algren must Kung Fu fight Uh no thanks.
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Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:54 pm |
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Chippy
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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I really liked this. It was really fun and had a lot of action. I thought Cruise was perfect for the role.
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35246 Location: Minnesota
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I think it would have been more enjoyable with someone other than Cruise in the lead.
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thompsoncory
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14624 Location: LA / NYC
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This is a solid action film, but also a mostly forgettable one. There are a few great sequences here and there (I loved the opening and thought it was very chilling and well-done, for example) and I do believe that director Christopher McQuarrie certainly has talent, but there are long stretches of the film that are surprisingly dull. I'd attribute that to the performances, which are mostly wooden. Rosamund Pike is a completely lifeless female lead and I didn't care at all for her character. Werner Herzog's villain (and actually most of the villains) was very underdeveloped. Cruise was great but this is the kind of role he is suited for, and Robert Duvall is the only one other than him that seems to be having any fun. B-
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:28 am |
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35246 Location: Minnesota
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Libs wrote: It's...OK. The film ended about two hours ago and I've already pretty much forgotten it. Tom Cruise is a decent fit for the role, although the constantly frigid Rosamund Pike is miscast and none of the other actors register. Some good action sequences (particularly the car chase) but the movie is just sort of there, existing without striving for much more. C+ Both Cruise and Pike were miscast, IMO. I'm usually a fan of Pike's. Loved her in Barney's Version and really enjoyed her in An Education and Burning Palms. So I'm sad to say her performance here felt off. I really wanted to like her in it too. With someone else in her role, perhaps the lovely Rosemarie Dewitt, and someone else as Reacher, this could have been more enjoyable. It's enjoyable enough while it lasts but like Thom and Libs said it's very forgettable.
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:49 pm |
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
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Wow. This was one of the movies I really wasn't interested in after the trailer. Then it got released, I've heard all the praise, so my interest rose a good amount. But I did not expect to like this as much as I did. Maybe the biggest positive surprise this year for me. Cruise was amazing. The movie flowed incredibly well. And it was surprisingly pretty funny in some parts. Loved the fight in the bathroom. There's just nothing negative I could say about this. I want a sequel. 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:00 am |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68350
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Riggs wrote: There's just nothing negative I could say about this. I want a sequel.  Yes, I think it deserves a sequel.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:06 am |
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
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They have to make one. Jack Reacher is my new favorite Cruise character. Such an enjoyable, entertaining performance.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:13 am |
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Algren
now we know
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It's all about $$$. I think it'll earn enough in the end to be deemed successful, but will it be enough of a success to gaurantee a sequel - who knows what Paramount were expecting.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:18 am |
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Chippy
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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Magic Mike wrote: I think it would have been more enjoyable with someone other than Cruise in the lead. It would have been less enjoyable. And much more boring.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:37 am |
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Gopher
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It's okay. Tom Cruise is having fun and it shows- he's made for roles like this- but there's nothing memorable about the film. The plot is fairly standard and doesn't go as far as it should, especially with Herzog, who apparently orchestrates the whole thing.
Still, McQuarrie can direct action. I would love to see him do MI5. The car chase and ending shootout here were clearly shot and very intense.
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Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:25 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Hard edge with a twinkle. 12 out of 5. Can't wait for the sequel!
Rumor has it that it was gonna be called Jack Reacher: 360
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