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BJ
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Gullimont wrote: Ugh this is like the first film I hate before even seeing it. This annoys me, but based on the trailers and clips this seems terrible.
I hope to be on Loyals side when I do see it, but if its great ill be happy as well. If you can make it through that first act and part of the second, you'll find a really good film. But that sour taste out the gate is hard to get rid of. It reeks of supposed indie street cred. My girlfriend wants to see it next week and I'm thinking of ducking out of the theatre and returning at the hour mark. wimp.
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snack
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So I just saw this again, and my opinion hasn't changed. I'm pretty confident in my good-but-nothing-special attitude regarding this film. The performances were strong all around, the soundtrack was pretty nice, and the screenplay was mostly funny, but never particularly clever or innovative. It's a shame this is basically a shoe-in win for Best Original Screenplay, as something like 'The Savages' really deserves it over this. So yeah, I'd be fine with a Best Actress nom from Ellen Page and a screenplay nom for Diablo Cody, but anything more is really pushing it. I'm still kind of in shock that this was Ebert's #1. I mean, Ebert has picked way worse films (see: Crash), but at least he had a reason to pick it. This was just so generic to me. I don't know. Still, somewhere around a high B to a B+, mostly because of the great cast (minus Bateman) and an entertaining but hardly memorable screenplay.
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25035 Location: Anchorage,Alaska
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s snack wrote: So I just saw this again, and my opinion hasn't changed. I'm pretty confident in my good-but-nothing-special attitude regarding this film. The performances were strong all around, the soundtrack was pretty nice, and the screenplay was mostly funny, but never particularly clever or innovative. It's a shame this is basically a shoe-in win for Best Original Screenplay, as something like 'The Savages' really deserves it over this. So yeah, I'd be fine with a Best Actress nom from Ellen Page and a screenplay nom for Diablo Cody, but anything more is really pushing it. I'm still kind of in shock that this was Ebert's #1. I mean, Ebert has picked way worse films (see: Crash), but at least he had a reason to pick it. This was just so generic to me. I don't know. Still, somewhere around a high B to a B+, mostly because of the great cast (minus Bateman) and an entertaining but hardly memorable screenplay. you saw it again within two wks, translation: the film is fuckin awesome 
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snack
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BJ wrote: s snack wrote: So I just saw this again, and my opinion hasn't changed. I'm pretty confident in my good-but-nothing-special attitude regarding this film. The performances were strong all around, the soundtrack was pretty nice, and the screenplay was mostly funny, but never particularly clever or innovative. It's a shame this is basically a shoe-in win for Best Original Screenplay, as something like 'The Savages' really deserves it over this. So yeah, I'd be fine with a Best Actress nom from Ellen Page and a screenplay nom for Diablo Cody, but anything more is really pushing it. I'm still kind of in shock that this was Ebert's #1. I mean, Ebert has picked way worse films (see: Crash), but at least he had a reason to pick it. This was just so generic to me. I don't know. Still, somewhere around a high B to a B+, mostly because of the great cast (minus Bateman) and an entertaining but hardly memorable screenplay. you saw it again within two wks, translation: the film is fuckin awesome  First of all, not within two weeks...I saw it for the first time nearly a month ago. Actually, I saw it in the first general public showing nationwide (non-prescreeining). Secondly, I saw it again in hopes that I just didn't fully appreciate it the first time (and some friends were dragging me), but my hopes were wrong, and sadly, this film isn't fucking awesome. It's fucking above average.
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25035 Location: Anchorage,Alaska
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s snack wrote: BJ wrote: s snack wrote: So I just saw this again, and my opinion hasn't changed. I'm pretty confident in my good-but-nothing-special attitude regarding this film. The performances were strong all around, the soundtrack was pretty nice, and the screenplay was mostly funny, but never particularly clever or innovative. It's a shame this is basically a shoe-in win for Best Original Screenplay, as something like 'The Savages' really deserves it over this. So yeah, I'd be fine with a Best Actress nom from Ellen Page and a screenplay nom for Diablo Cody, but anything more is really pushing it. I'm still kind of in shock that this was Ebert's #1. I mean, Ebert has picked way worse films (see: Crash), but at least he had a reason to pick it. This was just so generic to me. I don't know. Still, somewhere around a high B to a B+, mostly because of the great cast (minus Bateman) and an entertaining but hardly memorable screenplay. you saw it again within two wks, translation: the film is fuckin awesome  First of all, not within two weeks...I saw it for the first time nearly a month ago. Actually, I saw it in the first general public showing nationwide (non-prescreeining). Secondly, I saw it again in hopes that I just didn't fully appreciate it the first time (and some friends were dragging me), but my hopes were wrong, and sadly, this film isn't fucking awesome. It's fucking above average. 
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Dkmuto
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Magnus wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Regardless if any of that is true, it's a two way street. If people (I) can't say the screenplay and its lackluster dialogue rings false, then others can't claim how true to life the film is and herald its realism and emotional core.
Thus out the door goes any debate or discussion. And where's the fun in that. Amen to that. And would it not be possible to herald its emotional core without citing its realism? In general, I don't think the film is realistic. I don't think Juno herself is that realistic. But I don't think either of those things runs contrary to the tone or spirit of the film.
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billybobwashere
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This was...something of a disappointment for me. I had heard all these terrific things about it, people said it was the future of comedy writing, but in my opinion, the writing of the comedy was by far the weakest element of the film. I only laughed a few times, but I never laughed at the Napoleon-Dynamite-esque humor that took up much of the beginning of the film. It just didn't work for me. People all around me were laughing their asses off at "home skillet" and "shut your effing trap" and such, but in all honesty, the humor in this movie is identical to the humor that I would have used if I wrote a script when I was thirteen years old. It just didn't work for me. Luckily, I really liked a lot of other things about the movie. It had a great overall story, working in a lot more than just pregnancy but also a look at a lot of different people and how they change over time. It had a fantastic ensemble performance, bringing out what are easily the best performances I've seen from Jennifer Garner or Jason Bateman, considering I've seen them both in many other places. Ellen Page does deserve an Oscar, for all the fantastic enthusiasm she brought to her character and how well she handled the dramatic aspects of her character. Which brings me to the drama. When this film was serious, I thought it was so spot-on that it bothered me how they wasted so much time early on with the hit-and-mostly-miss humor. From the point Juno tells her parents she's pregnant and on, things REALLY turn around. So: I give it a C for the beginning and extremely weak attempts at humor, but I give it an A for the latter part, the acting, and the handling of the serious aspects of the film, so overall it comes out to a solid but disappointing
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Michael.
No Wire Tampons!
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MovieDude wrote: Michael. wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: The Good: The third act rocked. And the adoptive parents subplot was were worthy of its own film (though JG was terrible per usual).
Its good to say, confidently, that you are alone in your thoughts there. Surprise surprise, I absolutely agree with loyal that Garner was awful Shocking!
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billybobwashere
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I found the film disappointing, very disappointing, but it's undeniable that all of the performances ranged from very good to superb. Garner gave by far the best performance of her career, to the extent that it didn't feel like watching Jennifer Garner at all, but actually watching her character [which rarely happens with actresses who are in the business because of their looks].
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Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:43 pm |
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snack
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I wasn't as impressed by Garner the second time I saw it. I think the first time I was just so in shock that she could actually act that I thought she was great. Watching it again, she was good, but nothing special.
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35248 Location: Minnesota
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Even though I thought it looked very good and the reviews were nothing short of fantastic I had reservations about JUNO. I thought it looked like it might be trying too hard to be hip, what with dialogue like "honest to blog?" that could have easily come off as ridiculous and forced. I still really wanted to see it, but I wasn't overly excited and so sure I'd be so quick to jump on the "JUNO is the second coming" bandwagon. But oh how quickly I jumped on it. I instantly fell in love with this hilarious and touching comedy. Not since GHOST WORLD has there been a comedy about teens that is this great and yet not really even a teen movie; at least not in the negative sense. To call it one would be an affront. It's a rarity to see such an intelligent film dealing with growing up.
This is the most delightful film of the year, with the biggest heart of any movie this year. The ending couldn't be more adorable and had me grinning from ear-to-ear. The scene on the track actually made me say "Aww" out loud. The soundtrack is amazing as well; probably the best soundtrack since GARDEN STATE. The opening credits with the song "All I Want Is You" by Barry Louis Polisar playing were just charming. Hell, the opening credits alone are one of my favorite parts of a movie all year. They were so neat and clever, made even greater by its cute, quirky choice of music.
Ellen Page is sensational in her part and gives the best female performance I've seen this year. I was blown away by her debut performance in HARD CANDY and didn't think it would be possible for her performance to be as great here, but it definitely is. Her performance has helped to create one of the best teenage characters of all-time.
Everyone should go out of their way to see this wonderful film. It really is something special. It's the best film of the year and I can't recommend it more. Currently my rating isn't exactly perfect for it, but I pretty much never give out perfect ratings upon first viewing. The fact that I was actually toying with doing so right off the bat is a feat in itself. I'm really close to doing so though and it likely will be awarded with one once I see it again. For now though it's a 9/10 (A).
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Magic Mike
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Makes Knocked Up look like an immature fratboy third person view of pregnancy (which it happens to be), and rivals Waitress in it's authentic grrrrrlll's-I perspective on the "predicament"... I agree. It is soooo much better than Knocked Up. Though I also find it quite a bit better than Waitress, which I also really enjoyed.
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Magic Mike
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There's only one stupid part that annoyed me and that's when they run into Garner's character at the mall and she says she was just there shopping with her girlfriends and Juno's friend says something like, "I didn't know you were gay." My mom said, "That was a stupid thing to say." My thoughts exactly. I actually did laugh at first too, but am not sure why. It could have actually been fine had she only said girlfriend and not girlfriends.
And IMO Jennifer Garner's performance is not as amazing as it's made out to be. She's good and for now one of my favorite supporting female performances of the year, but she doesn't do anything terribly special. And as much as I enjoy Bateman, his performance is certainly nothing special. The real winner here is Ellen Page.
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Michael.
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I think people sometimes expect an actress to have to shake and quiver and sweat and roar and cry and be dressed as a man for a "special performance". Garner's role in this movie is to add an emotional core and to be subtle and believable, and if im totally sold on an actor as a person then i think thats the best kind of performance there is. I of course am going to support her in whatever she does though, but with such an anti-garner forum, even this kind of admittance that she can act is kind of a leap and bound.
I have only seen about 1/4 of the film though, so i reserve judgement for now.
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Magic Mike
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Garner can definitely act, I'm not saying that. I loved her on ALIAS, and I think her performance on that show is better than her performance in JUNO. She's still good in JUNO, but not amazing like some are saying. It's not her fault either, she just doesn't have that much to do. And I don't think an actress needs to do those things in order to give a great performance, because Ellen Page does nothing of the sort in this movie, for the most part, and she's phenomenal.
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I liked Garner. I've always liked her. Good stuff here - better than usual for her.
This was the cutest movie. Ever. And while I agree with the Loyal camp that it shouldn't be the comedy to finally win Best Picture, should that split between No Country and Blood happen, I'd be fine with this winning. This is just a darling little gem. It's not a masterpiece, but I adored it. It's like Libs when it comes to Clueless. That type of adoration. C'mon!
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Magic Mike
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I'd love to see it win Best Picture  . It isn't likely though, so I'll be fine with it just being nominated. Would love to see it win some other awards though.
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:41 pm |
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billybobwashere
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when it came to the dramatic aspects, this was possibly a bit stronger than Knocked Up, but when it came to the humor, I was laughing nonstop during Knocked Up and never more than chuckled a few times at Juno. The jokes were [for the most part] SO LAME. Juno wrote: Paulie Bleeker is totally boss. He is the cheese to my macaroni. GEEZ, Banana. Shut your freaking gob, okay? I mean....is this really what we consider clever now? Is this really what people consider funnier than Knocked Up and even Superbad?
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MovieDude
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Michael. wrote: I think people sometimes expect an actress to have to shake and quiver and sweat and roar and cry and be dressed as a man for a "special performance". Garner's role in this movie is to add an emotional core and to be subtle and believable, and if im totally sold on an actor as a person then i think thats the best kind of performance there is. I of course am going to support her in whatever she does though, but with such an anti-garner forum, even this kind of admittance that she can act is kind of a leap and bound.
I have only seen about 1/4 of the film though, so i reserve judgement for now. So loyal and I are sexist because we found Garner to be completely out of her league at coming off as motherly? For starters, you should really see the movie before you make any judgements, though I have no doubt you'll be far kinder to her performance than I. Still, I'm hardly the only one who feels this way - it was actually my buddy who pointed out to me after the fact how unconvincing she was, and others who I've mentioned it too have all agreed that she's the weak link in the cast.
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:51 pm |
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Gulli
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how Michael has seen 25% of the film. Is he basing her performance on clips and trailers? There is a CAM out, could be it.
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:55 pm |
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Jonathan
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Gullimont wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how Michael has seen 25% of the film. Is he basing her performance on clips and trailers? There is a CAM out, could be it. I thought that but why 25%. He was 20 minutes in, and needed to stop just to vent about how mindblowing Garner is? Is she even in the first 20 minutes?
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Diesel
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Did you guys see her on Letterman? Akward...
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Jonathan
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Positive* Jon wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Gullimont wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how Michael has seen 25% of the film. Is he basing her performance on clips and trailers? There is a CAM out, could be it. I thought that but why 25%. He was 20 minutes in, and needed to stop just to vent about how mindblowing Garner is? Is she even in the first 20 minutes? No, her awfulness doesnt rear it's head until twice that. Eh, I bet he stropped 20 minutes in to vent anyways.
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MovieGeek
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I have the Paulie Bleeker is totally boss t-shirt.
its awesome
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MovieGeek wrote: I have the Paulie Bleeker is totally boss t-shirt.
its awesome I do too. 
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