dolce's Official Reviews: (All Reviews Have Been Deleted)
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A. G.
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Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Archie Gates wrote: It's just a rip off of 28 Days Later, you aren't missing much.  False advertising sir! This one didn't have a lingering shot of Cillian Murphy's disturbingly alluring crotch 
White guy helping black woman get across country? Check
Hordes of scary people running after them? Check
OMG the car won't start, we'll die! moment? Check
Cillian Murphy's crotch is flashed on the screen during one of Caine's monologues? Check
Yep 28 Days Later part 2
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:47 pm |
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 9:53 am Posts: 13403
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dolcevita wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Hmmm that End of the Spear idea might have worked. Ain't no religious nuts arounds here................................*looks around in a worried manner*  So its ok to use an example as long as its one everyone here would agree on, or not bother watching in the first place? Interesting...
*slaps dolce lightly in the back of the head*
I was joking you silly spoon.
Anyways your right we should all just let sleeping (or rabid and in attack position at the moment) dogs lay and just accept we're just going around in circles with each other at this point.
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:51 pm |
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dolcevita
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Archie Gates wrote: You'll notice I shut up after my initial questioning of her not seeing it, it's because whether or not she's right or wrong, it's not fun to have 10 people ganging up on you even if they are doing it with good intentions. So do I agree with her? No, but I can see why she'd feel cornered or have her back up, who wouldn't.
Eh, Loyal and Jeff didn't get to see Venus either. Unfortunately because the Oscar nominees get announced a month later, alot of good movies get held back in release until, like, the last week of December now, and then they open in three theatres. Unless you get advanced copies, or alot of advanced screenings (which not many of us here did) its impossible to do a 2006 review that covers all the oscar bait until mid-March, which is useless.
And I always found it funnny that a top ten could only be made after what studios had decided where the big movies of the year have been seen, rather than any other movie. I could just as easily have said no top ten list should be made unless you've seen Tristram Shandy or Pans Labyrinth but its probably not going to carry as much weight as a demand compared to Departed or Dreamgirls. Still, end of year reviews are very subjective, and everyone who provided one could not watch everything that came out this year, so there's always going to be heterogenous coverage of what's been seen. That's usually why it good to have more than one or two people submit a list. But missing some of the biggies (or smallies) is common to everyone who submitted a list.
I'm repeating myself now, so I'll stop.
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:54 pm |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:25 pm Posts: 28110 Location: Awaiting my fate
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dolcevita wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Hmmm that End of the Spear idea might have worked. Ain't no religious nuts arounds here................................*looks around in a worried manner*  So its ok to use an example as long as its one everyone here would agree on, or not bother watching in the first place? Interesting... And you'd be surprised about the nutsos. They come out of the woodwork when you least expect them. Actually, I'm pretty sure everyone thinks I'm ont of them (a nutso that is, though hopefully not a religious one). Quote: Why take it down thou? Nobody suggested that. This site does not get wide readership. Articles for the main page are pretty much intended for good reads for forum members. It wasn't worth the hastle having this five page fight for something that is pretty much only intended for all of you guys' pleasure (or maybe just a little pain). Its not like its some massive impact on the virtual world, or for that matter even WoKJ, that needs to be kept up for ideological purposes. About ten people read main site articles, and about ten people are totally upset by this one line. I have no need to further frustrate those ten people, since they're the only ones that read the main site anyways.  If they're lost, WoKJ main site has nothing. I still stand by explaining how I filter movies, so I'm not about to edit that one line out and keep the rest of the article up. I prefer instead to just take down the whole thing, so you guys can go read Jeff and Loyal's top ten lists and maybe have a better time with them. Its just movies, not really worth being called mean and a bitch about. And anyways, I take this stuff too personally, so its probably time for me to ease off for awhile.
I respect your decision to take it down and I agree that things did get out of hand with the name calling towards the end.  I guess certain people just got caught up in the heat of the argument.
At any rate, my Top 8 sucks, I took mine down last year because I didn't like it...and I'm not too happy with mine this year either but I'll let it be for now.
As for your taking things personally,  I hope nothing I said was offensive to you. I'm passionate about the subject but I don't think I ever slipped to personal insults ...
And by the way, we get more then 10 hits per page.  My Bad Ideas...part 1 got over 100 according to bABA, and even if only a fifth of those were unique and read it, that's still 20.  You are an asset to the site so I hope that what was said in here doesn't change your perceptions on anything.
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:57 pm |
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kypade
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:53 pm Posts: 7908
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edit - nevermind...I say all that at the end of a post such as this was, kinda hypocrit.
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:59 pm |
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Dr Jam
Speed Racer
Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:10 pm Posts: 198
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dolcevita wrote: I'm fine with people saying they don't think it has anything to do with what I thought it did. Mr. Jam, Gulli, Kypade several people made good points.
Somebody saw through my fake PhD 
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:51 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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dolcevita wrote: I'm fine with people saying they don't think it has anything to do with what I thought it did. Mr. Jam, Gulli, Kypade several people made good points.
But you guys really mean to tell me you've never been to a book store, browsed the books, read the outlines and a couple quotes on the back of one, skimmed the first few pages, and decided it didn't sound like it was for you? Or that you didn't like where you thought it was going?
You've never picked up the back of an Anne Coulter or Michelle Malkin book, read the synopsis and said "Eh, sounds conservative?" Or a Michael Moore book (if you dislike him) and said "Ah gad, not again?" Or just picked up a cheesy fiction book and thought it sounded lame? Because if you say "no" to the above question, you must read every single book, and watch all hundreds of movies that hit theatres every year.
I read the synopsis, I know the author of the source material, I didn't feel comfortable with what I was reading as far as critical response. So I decided I didn't want to support it financially. End of story.
It might be just me, but I think there is a wee bit of difference between book jacket quotes and the personal opinions of your fellow members of WOKJ. Now I know that your opinion is unique with regards to many films, but surely there are some WOKJer's whose opinion you give some weight to. We are not just a community of movie watchers, but rather we have transcended through the clouds into all out film freaks. I would say that recommendations here, would be much more similar to the opinions of friends who have read a book and recommend it to you, or to a professor who suggests you might benefit from reading it. To compare the good folk at WOKJ to jacket blurbs hawking a cheesy novel seems rather degrading to me.
But this indignation is minor compared to the great sadness I feel at your missing of this beautifully made and truly great film...

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Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:09 pm |
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Ripper
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dolcevita wrote: Well, that's why I didn't actually review it, now did I? I used it as an example of my filtering process and what I look at and use as weight in my decisions to see or not see a movie. If I'd used End of Spear instead, I doubt you would be making such a fuss.
Why am I always late to the interesting threads? I'v been bored to death by KJ, damnit you people need to pm when you start having interesting discussions! Especially when I have actually seen the movie in question.
That said, given the argument that went on, there is a certain amount of irony in the above statement.
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Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:29 pm |
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dolcevita
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Ace Rimmer wrote: I think it was an incredibly weak decision to remove the article from the main site. I don't see what purpose its removal served.
 I do.
On the one hand I can pick a massively ugly fight with people I genuinely enjoy virtual chatting with over something as silly a movie, or on the other hand the article can get you more hits on your site which I no longer even work on. The choice was rather easy, actually.
Anywyas, I always throw a tantrum on initial impulse as a method of taking in new information. Then I think about it overnight (or two days) when I'm calmer. I don't believe in being like our current president and not re-evaluating a position even in the face of glaring new knowledge and evidence.
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Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:35 pm |
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Dr Jam
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As an aside, I think that I understand the anti- Children of Men stance a little bit better, now that I've read some of the more recent posts.
While I think very highly of this particular movie, I also realise that there are some things that I object to on principle, and wouldn't want to support - even if they spawned a good movie.
E.g. (prob'ly a poor e.g.!) - I dislike the book Ulysses on principle, because of the author's motive, and prob'ly wouldn't see a film adaptation of it - not even if the film got rave reviews and didn't necessarily suffer from the flaws of the book. However good it was, it would would be like watching a film starring an actor who had said something tasteless in the media. It would taint my enjoyment, and I'd prob'ly end up wishing that I'd not bothered.
Re: this particular example, I think that a lot of people who are perfectly pragmatic (i.e., liberal) about issues like birth control and abortion nonetheless find pregnancy quite moving - in the same way that they find the moon landings quite moving - and feel that the image of the pregnant woman is quite emblematic. These are prob'ly the same sorts of people who aren't Christians, but get a lump in their throat at nativity plays. It doesn't necessarily mean that they want to uphold pregnancy as a sacred duty and force it on people.
Anyway, like I always say, there's no accounting for taste - e.g., my second favourite film this year was The Night Listener 
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Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:56 pm |
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Ripper
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Dr Jam wrote: As an aside, I think that I understand the anti- Children of Men stance a little bit better, now that I've read some of the more recent posts. While I think very highly of this particular movie, I also realise that there are some things that I object to on principle, and wouldn't want to support - even if they spawned a good movie. E.g. (prob'ly a poor e.g.!) - I dislike the book Ulysses on principle, because of the author's motive, and prob'ly wouldn't see a film adaptation of it - not even if the film got rave reviews and didn't necessarily suffer from the flaws of the book. However good it was, it would would be like watching a film starring an actor who had said something tasteless in the media. It would taint my enjoyment, and I'd prob'ly end up wishing that I'd not bothered. Re: this particular example, I think that a lot of people who are perfectly pragmatic (i.e., liberal) about issues like birth control and abortion nonetheless find pregnancy quite moving - in the same way that they find the moon landings quite moving - and feel that the image of the pregnant woman is quite emblematic. These are prob'ly the same sorts of people who aren't Christians, but get a lump in their throat at nativity plays. It doesn't necessarily mean that they want to uphold pregnancy as a sacred duty and force it on people. Anyway, like I always say, there's no accounting for taste - e.g., my second favourite film this year was The Night Listener 
The thing is though, the film doesn't really hold pregnancy as sacred because its pregancy or because there i snothing more sacred the a woman'sw omb, it holds its sacred because it can't happen anymore, just the way we as humans hold anything sacred that we lose, from old relatives to old toys, to well just anything. We get nostalgic for things we cannot have anymore. I thought the seen were people mourn baby diego particularly effective becuase it showed the almost abusridty of it, the were mourning the death of humanity. And when people do actually see the baby, the immediately go right back to killing each other, the baby doesn't save humanity, and one women giving birth is not enough to turn the tide or change much of anything.
I am very ilberal about birht control and abortion, but that aside the idea of giving birth is still a pretty special thing think one's feeling on the former have to effect the latter. This whole debate while interesting, just seems like a wierd one to come out of this movie. I can't see pro-natlist people actually embracing the film.
That said, I have never seen you post before Dr. Jam, and thus far you are cool, so in that sense this thread was good.
I think the article should have been left up as well, because well, argument and debate are the stuff of life...
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Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:30 pm |
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neo_wolf
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COM is not a Right wing or Left wing film, infact, it shows both sides are shit.
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Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:23 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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dolcevita wrote: Anywyas, I always throw a tantrum on initial impulse as a method of taking in new information. Then I think about it overnight (or two days) when I'm calmer.
A take-your-ball and go home girl? 
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:06 am |
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
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I Am Jack's... wrote: dolcevita wrote: Ace Rimmer wrote: I think it was an incredibly weak decision to remove the article from the main site. I don't see what purpose its removal served.  I do. On the one hand I can pick a massively ugly fight with people I genuinely enjoy virtual chatting with over something as silly a movie, or on the other hand the article can get you more hits on your site which I no longer even work on. The choice was rather easy, actually. Oh Dolce.
Ummm...............ok.
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:21 am |
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Dr Jam
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Ripper wrote: That said, I have never seen you post before Dr. Jam, and thus far you are cool, so in that sense this thread was good.
Hurray! Acceptance!

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Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:08 pm |
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bABA
Commander and Chef
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so .... whats all this about Children of Men now?
I've decided not to watch it. All this fuss over one woman pregnant, the answer to all of life's mysteries and they have the nerves to call them the Children of 'Men'.
BLAGH!
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:49 pm |
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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Wow, what kind of falling out happened????????  :
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