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Superfreak
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 Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
The Dark Shape wrote: Excel wrote: The Dark Shape wrote: Excel wrote: Luke's death also adds nothing to the movie and feels unnecessary. Should have ended with him in tears on the rock upon the realization that his faith in the Jedi has been returned and ready to rejoin the fight for good.
Could have avoided a lot of fanboy whining and lost nothing. I disagree with this soooooooooooooooooo much. Why. Because he ascends. Because it literally makes Luke Skywalker myth, the spark for a whole generation of heroes. Because a broken man regains his faith in his moment of death.
There are a thousand reasons. It's beautiful. Eh fair. In reality it just gives them a lot of explaining to do when he inevitably returns next time.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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But it undercuts the coolest part of the movie. Him projecting himself onto the salt planet. Why not just show up in person?
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The Dark Shape
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: But it undercuts the coolest part of the movie. Him projecting himself onto the salt planet. Why not just show up in person? How can he do that with no way off the planet?
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:24 am |
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Superfreak
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 Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Luke beating Kylo's ass and then not dying would have been better ending no doubt
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The Dark Shape
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...in which case you'd have two films in a row where your main villain gets his ass kicked by the heroes. What's the threat after that?
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:51 am |
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Superfreak
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The Dark Shape wrote: ...in which case you'd have two films in a row where your main villain gets his ass kicked by the heroes. What's the threat after that? Its not like he was a threat to Luke here...
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Jonathan
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:07 pm Posts: 14737 Location: The Present (Duh)
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Loved this, loved this so much. I'm gonna need a second viewing for more clear, focused thoughts, but I don't think I've ever been so immediately satisfied by a franchise film. Well scratch that, TDK and TDKR were immensely satisfying to me on first viewings. But still, that's a high bar to come near. Magnus wrote: The visual of them side by side, light sabers ignited, in the perfectly lit crimson red room with the perfectly cloaked guards coming at them, is the best visual shot scene of the entire SW franchise outside of Luke/Vader's fight in ESB. It was a truly special moment of big-picture cinema that affirms our desire to go to the theaters and see these spectacles in the first place. I'll never feel the same watching that scene as the first time is always going to be the best....but I'll never forget that feeling. It was essentially the equivalent of a perfectly executed Michael Bay scene but with the percision of Taratino and Speilberg's human touch of emotion. Magnus wrote: Luke dying is necessary to move on. Though I also think Leia should have died in this too and its gonna feel kind of dumb that they're gonna kill her off-screen probably now in between the two movies (i'm guessing they say that she had complications from her near-death experience in this movie and it killed her). 1. Yes, Yes, Yes. When that shot happened I wanted to just applaud the beauty of it. This whole film is, by a long-shot, the most beautiful movie of the entire franchise, with just shot after shot that's gorgeously framed like a fucking painting, and that shot might be the peak. So fucking beautiful.
2. Someone elsewhere pitched the idea of giving Leia Laura Dern's death, which I agree would have probably been better. Might have required some of that Paul Walker CGI, and it would have felt redundant after her near-death experience, but considering the circumstances I think most people would understand. Also it would give us Laura Dern for another movie. But as is that moment and all the Leia stuff still rocks, so that's fine I guess.
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publicenemy#1
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 19373 Location: San Diego
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All things Rey, Luke, Kylo I loved.
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:19 am |
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publicenemy#1
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 19373 Location: San Diego
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Interesting how low the RT audience score is. Whut
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:59 am |
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MGKC
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Anyone else love the return of the best version of Yoda?
Not only was he seemingly a great-looking puppet, but his original humor was back. Plus they didn't make every single sentence he said a backwards sentence (unlike the prequels).
Never crossed my mind that he would pop back up in one of these new movies, so that was a nice surprise.
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I enjoyed it. There were some things that felt redundant (most of Finn's stuff), and for much of it I felt like it was just a lot of good moments strung together by nothing that actually connected the different plots all that well, but I liked it overall.
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publicenemy#1
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My grade for now is B+/A-, although on another viewing I'm sure the Finn subplot will be worse. The whole casino sequence felt really out of place. I don't like that Luke died but it was well done.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi has a couple of exciting space battle sequences (those Republic pilots sure are fans of Kamikaze technique) and 'shocking' plot reveals, and it's certainly better than The Force Awakens. On the other hand, the overall story has a rather haphazard quality (perhaps partly necessitated by the need to edit around Carrie Fisher's filmed scenes, and of course, Rian Johnson's shortcomings as a writer), that is so much of a drag that the whole film never really manages to achieve orbit. *B*
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Darth Indiana Bond
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I think like a either a B+ or A-. Like it has some really great moments, but some really big flaws
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tree and a half
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Magnus wrote: but Hamill will 100% be in the next movie as a ghost. I'd be shocked if he wasn't. Guaranteed Alec Guinness appearance as ghost of Obi Wan in IX. In fact, every deceased Jedi will be in the next movie as ghosts. It'll be a whole dead Jedi chorus line coming out to take a bow at the end.
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Jonathan
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:07 pm Posts: 14737 Location: The Present (Duh)
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That Flixster/RT score feels like a deliberate effort on the part of some butthurt fans. I mean, it's six points below BvS and 23 below Justice League, come on.
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Mau
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A+
Fave film since TDKR
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Corpse
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Really enjoyed it. It may even be my favorite film in the entire franchise, but I want to watch it at least one more time in theaters before deciding that.
The two issues I had concerned how Snoke was handled (even if his death scene was awesome), and how bland Finn and his role was in this film. The first is my inner fanboy not being satisfied with the character, and the latter is a pure problem with the film itself.
>Snoke's rise to Supreme Leader is never explained properly, and we know almost nothing about him. He's simply an incredibly powerful force sensitive evil humanoid. I suppose, considering his power, it's easy to see how he became their leader, but his motive and goal beyond killing all hope in the galaxy isn't explained whatsoever. Also, given how strong he was with the dark side of the force (e.g. lightning, controlling Hux without being near him, and sheer dominance over Rey), I find it odd/unbelievable that characters like Sidious, Yoda, Anakin/Vader, and later Luke/Leia didn't know of his existence beforehand. Maybe he's better developed in the novelization?
>Finn's character was refreshing, and his relationship with Rey was nice in the first film, but here? He was boring, and his side-quest with Rose was distracting and threw off the pace of the film. Other than finding romance with Rose... his story here did nothing but result in the rebels all nearly dying.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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You can great improve the film by focus all the resistance on the fleeing ships. It focuses the story and you still have the only interesting part of that plot with the mutiny and the hyperspace kamikaze. Also keep Luke alive st the end, shred some of the humor and you have a masterpiece here
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Darth Indiana Bond
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A plot = A B plot = B
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BJ
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BJs Grade: A- Upon a 2nd viewing this could be in my top 3 Star Wars films, lots of amazing on display, the bad was not a deal breaker but it dragged the film a bit. Poe, Rose and Finn nearly got everyone killed, and the b plot was a B+ at best.  Loved everything put to screen involving Rey, Luke and Kylo. Yoda+Luke=A+ 
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Jmart
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I’ve rewatched the ending twice today. It’s beautifully done. I think the people complaining how Luke does get to go all “Super Jedi”, don’t quite realize that that is in fact what he does. He doesn’t get his awesome lightsaber battle that a lot of fans (including myself) would’ve loved, but he’s clearly THE Jedi with that distraction. And he gets one last look at a sunset with two suns. I hope he comes back as a force ghost mentor to Rey, but if he doesn’t, then it’s still a beautiful ending for him - as the spark that reignited hope in the rebels and the galaxy.
****½ (A)
Good luck JJ.
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Rev
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:06 am Posts: 32582 Location: the last free city
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 Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
The Dark Shape wrote: Excel wrote: Luke's death also adds nothing to the movie and feels unnecessary. Should have ended with him in tears on the rock upon the realization that his faith in the Jedi has been returned and ready to rejoin the fight for good.
Could have avoided a lot of fanboy whining and lost nothing. I disagree with this soooooooooooooooooo much. How does Excel get it wrong all the time.
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:31 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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I feel like I need to wait for Episode Nine before I can properly judge this film. At one point Luke says the line to Kylo. See you around kid. This was by no accident. I think he is going to have a fairly large presence in Episode IX
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:07 pm |
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Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22182 Location: Places
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Disney could do themselves an epic favor and announce Hamil's return ASAP
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