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David
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Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Nothing in this film is as epic and exciting as the "Duel of the Fates" Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Darth Maul fight at the end of The Phantom Menace. #ThankYouGeorge
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David
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Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Between this and The Hunger Games, Brienne of Tarth is cornering the market on being cast in nothing roles in big-budget movies.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:36 am |
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David
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Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Glad for a glorified table setting.
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The Dark Shape
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:56 am Posts: 12119 Location: Adrift in L.A.
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David wrote: Nothing in this film is as epic and exciting as the "Duel of the Fates" Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Darth Maul fight at the end of The Phantom Menace. #ThankYouGeorge I disagree on every single conceivable level. Duel of the Fates has some nice moves, but there's no emotion or sense of urgency to it. The lightsaber duel that concludes THE FORCE AWAKENS is incredible on both levels.
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The Dark Shape
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They're making flashy moves. So? I don't care about the outcome. I'd take the duels in REVENGE OF THE SITH, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, and RETURN OF THE JEDI over PHANTOM MENACE, too. It's all flash, no substance.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:07 am |
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Rev
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:06 am Posts: 32617 Location: the last free city
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The Dark Shape wrote: David wrote: Nothing in this film is as epic and exciting as the "Duel of the Fates" Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Darth Maul fight at the end of The Phantom Menace. #ThankYouGeorge I disagree on every single conceivable level. Duel of the Fates has some nice moves, but there's no emotion or sense of urgency to it. The lightsaber duel that concludes THE FORCE AWAKENS is incredible on both levels.Agree 100% In TFA u just cared more. Like in the OT fights
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Absolutely wonderful.
I'll have more to say after I try to sleep.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:25 am |
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The Dark Shape
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I think people gravitate towards the TPM duel because the film is generally pretty stagnant, and that moment is one of few where it comes to life a little bit.
This fight has the weight of the OT, but with more interesting choreography (I love that you essentially have two wickedly talented people who've never really fought before winging it) and a huge helping of emotion. And maybe the outcome was obvious for you, Magnus, but it wasn't for me. This was the most suspenseful duel of all seven episodes to my eyes. Will Kylo die? Wait, do I want Kylo to die?
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:27 am |
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Jonathan
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:07 pm Posts: 14737 Location: The Present (Duh)
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I mostly agree with Magnus, actually, although I'm closer to an 8/10, as my grading scale is a little more lenient. This has most of the same pros and cons of the Star Trek reboot - heavy reliance on plot/signposts from older parts of the franchise, action that is solid not immediately memorable, but it is also perfectly cast in pretty much every way, which helps smooth out so many of the issues. Daisy Ridley is an amazing find, and I can't wait to see her elsewhere.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:39 am |
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So many thoughts before I can give it a grade. the good: -Ford finally got his wish and killed Solo. Great death scene. -Driver was fantastic - so glad they didn't mess around with trying to keep his real face a mystery -Ridley was also fantastic. -loved the lightsaber battle between a weakened Ren and two inexperienced lightsaber-wielders
The bad: -another death star taken out with no suspense -The aliens. So horrible - none felt believable and nearly all of them looked terrible. Snoke and Maz being the obvious standouts as horrible (and pointless) CGI. -the ending shot. Empire had a great cliffhanger by setting pieces in motion - this felt like cutting out right at the start of a conversation which felt cheap -the need for winks (the chess game being the most obnoxious)
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:49 am |
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publicenemy#1
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I didn't like Han's death or Kylo Ren. And I agree that there was something missing in Han/Leia's interaction with each other even though it made me feel something. Rey though. 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:15 am |
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Ludovician
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Liked: Just about everything with the new characters worked really well. I loved Finn's bravado and Rey's tenacity.
Kylo Ren. Over the last few months I've often said it's kind of lame that the villain of the movie is an imposing dark-cloaked, dark-masked evil force user. Well, surprise, they really humanized him and made him an emotionally complex character
It looked absolutely fantastic. Best 3D I've seen since Avatar
Yeah, the fact that Luke basically wasn't in it sucked, but I like how much intrigue there is for the next one. I'm especially interested in Snoke, as well.
Brilliant fake-out with basically the entire thrust of all of the trailers being that Finn was the nascent Force-sensitive, when it was actually Rey. Didn't like: The whole thing didn't seem contextualized very well. We weren't given any real information about the nascent Republic or the First Order or how their mutual struggle for control of the galaxy has proceeded since the end of the last film
Leia. I'm sorry, Fisher just looks terrible, and her performance sucked. And the expository dialogue between her and Han was awful
Destroying a superweapon as the final big set piece. Yawn.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Very good, but lacks the magic of Empire or the well plotted simplicity if a New Hope, but it has some really well done emotional scenes, and despite what is going around these boards, I loved the final shot, but I have a thing for Samurai films and was hoping for this moment.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:22 am |
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Biggestgeekever
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First scene of episode 8 will reveal Snoke is Yoda sized
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:10 am |
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Keyser Söze
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It was excellent. JJ really paces it well. New actors were fantastic. Best part is its sets up the franchise perfectly well. Next one will again over shadow all the movies around its release date. Guardians is better off moving to August like the 1st one. No way its going to break out opening 2 weeks before SW8.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:19 am |
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Biggestgeekever wrote: First scene of episode 8 will reveal Snoke is Yoda sized I would die from laughter. Just straight up "Shrek it".
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:36 am |
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zwackerm
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Even if EP VIII drops huge from EP VII, it will still do over 500 million. But Guardians should not move. Its the summer opener still, so the opening should be there. But the legs might be hurt.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:54 am |
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Keyser Söze
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Considering SW7 overshadowed everything that opened in past month or so, SW8 will hit Guardians hard for sure. Disney wont release both so close to each other. They might delay SW8 like Magnus says to build more hype and holidays helping it gross even more. Anyway I doubt that Avatar 2 will release in 2017 and so December 2017 could again be all SW mania.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:08 pm |
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Excel
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Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22202 Location: Places
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My theater was about 90% full.at 7:00 but the atmosphere was electric. I remain 110% convinced that main stream buzz for this is well below either TDK film or Avengers or Potter 8. The crowd was 110% geeks- I saw NOONE from high school/college aged normal group. I think this drops like a rock going forward. AnyWoo, TFA ends up being dramatically different than the prequels but not that much more enjoyable. If the prequels hurt the OT reputation by association, this kills the OT in many ways because we know how they ended up and its...not good. Major gripes: -To me, it will be impossible to view the OT.the same knowing what comes next. They didnt really defeat anyone, all the main characters ended up basically as they were in the beginning - alone, with only Luke having.seemingly progressed in life.
-I hate how much of a rip off this of ANH. This does not require.explanation. The whole thing is so.predictable.
-The death of Han Solo is horrible, means nada to the plot as Magnus pointed out, and was just a ridiculous emotional play. Han was everybody's favorite character from the OT and he goes out like such a bitch. Not Obi-Wan, knowing the death will only enhance Luke's strength. He just gets owned by his "rogue son". That whole scene was well executed, sure, but in context just terrible. Things I liked: -Ridley is great -The last saber battle is awesome. It actually feels like a sword fight instead of some ultra choreographed piece of shit. It's a billion times better than the absurdity of any of the prequels fights: Shockingly, I think Abrams blew this one. In the long run, I don't expect this to be that highly thought of. Its better than TPM and AOTC but I wouldn't say this is better than Sith AT ALL. 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:26 pm |
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Keyser Söze
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Excel, since you are saying its gonna drop like a rock what is your prediction knowing its previews and presales?
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:34 pm |
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Excel
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Keyser Söze wrote: Excel, since you are saying its gonna drop like a rock what is your prediction knowing its previews and presales? I never thought walk up business would compare to TDK films or Avengers or JW to begin with and after seeing it, have no reason to think otherwise.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:42 pm |
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To say this met my expectations as a Star Wars fan would be an understatement. From the opening crawl (by the way was fantastic) to the last shot of the movie I was satisfied. Ridley is an absolute gem. Her performance was so so good. She is the new Luke and she wasn't a whiney kid like he was in the beginning. She was badass right out of the gate and I think she'll be in the conversation for not only best movie heroines of all time but on of the best heroes of all time by the end of this trilogy. I thought Boyega just oozed with charisma and charm as somebody who needed to act like he had it all together but ultimately rolled with the punches. Him and Ford worked so well together on screen and seeing his transformation be that grand in just 2 hours was great. That wasn't Harrison Ford on screen. That was Han Solo. I never had the feeling like he was just playing a role (like Crystal Skull), he brought it. I haven't seen him this good in a looooong time. I had a discussion with my wife after we saw it about Adam Driver. She wasn't 100% sold on him but I disagree. No, he isn't anywhere near as terrifying as Vader, but his actions and emotions were so believable because I think he is just a great great actor. You definitely believed the performance. Now spoilers for random things I loved and things I didn't love so much: Loved: Number one by far was the lightsaber fight between BEN(!!!) and Rey. It is definitely on par with the OT duels. The moment when he is trying to get the saber and she takes it first was one of the loudest applauses in a movie I have ever seen. She was just brilliant. BB-8. Damn what a perfect addition to the universe. I love BB-8! The reveal of the Falcon. When Rey says "That ship is garbage" (or whatever the actual line is) and they panned over to see it in all is "hunk of junk" glory filled me with such delight. LUKE! Just seeing him at the very end of the movie. Ugh. I knew he wasn't going to say anything once it was wrapping up. Rey HAS to be his daughter right!? Maz Leia's role. It was perfect just to have her in a couple scenes with very little dialogue as a distinguished general. As I said before; Han. Han. Han. I was definitely worried that he was just back to being a smuggler after all these years but the reveal that Kylo is his son and he was distraught about it made sense for him to revert back to those ways. As much as it made me cry (I cried a lot) I actually thought the death of Han worked. He was at the point where he knew he was either going to come home with his son or not come home at all. When he touched his face after he was stabbed was heartbreaking and Chewie's reaction crushed me (and his great shot at Kylo was badass) Ben Solo is his name and it made me happy. Poe and Finn escape Most of the practical effects So many other things. I'm coming back to this once I see it again. Oh! and finding out that Daniel Craig was the trooper that Rey mind tricked was awesome.
I get people's gripes about it being a rehash of A New Hope because it is. It almost perfectly aligns with it but I think what JJ and Kasdan did is give us something familiar to start us off with so people can jump back in and change things ever so slightly with much bigger implications.
Didn't love One scene stood out for me as one I wish was either different or not in at all and that was the scene with the giant space monsters. I wasn't a fan of the cgi with that and the two gangs coming for Solo screamed "Guardians" to me so for a second I was thinking about that. Obviously underused characters. I get that it's the first one in a new trilogy but I wanted more and it's so hard to squeeze in soooo much in just 2 hours, some of them just left me wanting more. Captain Phasma! I wanted so much more and wanted her to be more of a badass. I hope she comes back with Kylo and Hux but I was for sure let down with her. It's funny because she essentially went through all of the Boba Fett moments of Empire and Jedi. Badass intro. Let down of an ending(?) Now this is one thing that I really hated and then turned into loved in the span of a minute: When Snoke was introduced I mentally sighed so hard that he was a giant. I didn't like that at all. I was thinking that I did not want to see this giant dude walking around with our characters but then when it was revealed that he was a hologram I not only had a sigh of relief, I thought it was brilliant! Of course he would want to look that big and imposing! Who wouldn't!? Great great trickery. So many other thoughts that I'm sure I'll have civil discussions about on here Far better than ALL of the prequels. Trust me. Sith is fine but this is sooooo much better. I can see this becoming a top 3 or even top 2 of the franchise. After re-watching them all again before this I really do strongly believe that Empire is in fact the best of the franchise. So it doesn't beat that but it certainly could beat the others for me. It's not a perfect film but it is a perfect Star Wars film to bring us all back. Well done JJ. You, Kasdan and Kennedy succeeded. Star Wars is indeed back and I cannot wait to see what Rian Johnson does with it. A+
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:42 pm |
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Mau
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B+
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:52 pm |
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redfirebird2008
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Dr. Lecter wrote: I think in the minds of those who grew up with the OT, it is simply impossible to beat it (or at least the first two, I suppose). No matter what, it is simply impossible. No one will ever dare to say "This was better than Empire Strikes Back". I am not suggesting that it is, just saying that it would NEVER happen. One thing is for sure, you don't beat an old movie by rehashing it. You come up with something new and surprising, which is what ESB did compared to ANH. Force Awakens is good, but too much of a rehash to be truly great on its own. 7.5/10 Still a lot better than the prequels.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:07 pm |
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publicenemy#1
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I like the theory that Rey was Luke's apprentice but her memory was wiped, which is why she's able to use the force like she did.
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