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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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I'm with billybob, I had no less fun with the second than I did the first. They're solid disposible popcorn films.
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billybobwashere
He didn't look busy?!
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:59 pm Posts: 4308
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remember, this is far from actual history, it's Hollywood people trying to turn history into the most entertaining twisted story possible 
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Speevy
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Shack wrote: I'm with billybob, I had no less fun with the second than I did the first. They're solid disposible popcorn films. I tend to agree with this. I went into the movie not asking for a deep thought provoking movie that raised questions about society, I just wanted to have some popcorn fun. And the movie certainly delivered. Sure there could have been some areas that could have been touched up, but overall it was a good way to spend 2 hours. The movie has a very similar layout to the first one. I even noticed some of the same exact camera sequences show up, for example when the city of gold is is finally revealed, the camera freezes on the faces of the three heroes and then shows the city of gold. I have to take points off for having a little bit of a been there done that type of feel. But at the same time I thought the locations to be more interesting. Some may disagree but I think pre-Columbian American history to be more interesting to the whole free Mason story. But then again I love pre-Columbian history. The humor was decent. Biggest complaint for me was the villan. Ed Harris did a decent job with what he had, but the villain became too sympathetic near the end for me. Sean Bean stole just about every scene he was in the original, Ed Harris not so much. National Treasure: B+ National Treasure 2: B
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Jim Halpert
Stanley Cup
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:52 pm Posts: 6981 Location: Hockey Town
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far superior to the first but i am a huge fan of ed harris so that probably helped. dumb popcorn fun.
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Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:49 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
007
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11621 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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My favorite kind of films are archeotype fun entertainment films such as the three franchises in my name and Pirates, and this has the ability to be one of those types of films, but as theGun said, it just wasn't too fun. In the end I did enjoy myself however.
B/B+
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Quint
Baaaaa!
Joined: Sat May 06, 2006 10:31 am Posts: 1011 Location: Lookin for mah bukkit
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It's pretty much the first movie all over again, but the first movie was fun, so I didn't really mind. However, it feels about 20 minutes too long and would've been on par with the first film (B+) if they had trimmed some of the film (I imagine that they could have easily eliminated one of the mini-puzzles from the film to do this).
Still, it's a pretty decent movie, though instantly forgettable. B
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The Mr Pink
What would Jesus *not* do?
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:55 am Posts: 829 Location: Going Up the Down Escalator
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The Dark Shape wrote: Zingaling wrote: Didn't you hate the first one, too? I don't know how you'd expect anything different. I had the exact same reaction to this as the first because it's the exact same movie. It's popcorn filmmaking, which I'm fine with, it's just not interesting. I don't care about the characters. I still laugh because Cage and the chick have absolutely no chemistry together. The action scenes are completely and horribly dull. That car chase in England? Snooooooze. I'm compelled to ask -- how does finding the City of Gold clear Gates' grandfather? LadiesMan217 wrote: Absolutely crappy movie. Worse than the original. I mean there was nothing new about it. It was the same shit over again. On top of that i was pissed i had to watch that stupid short animated with Goofy in it. There were some nice comedy here and there but it had so many cliches and a lot of things in it were so similar to other treasure hunting movies. Even the set pieces were boring as hell. The car chase scene was shit. I mean fuck it. I hated the movie. F
Thank the flying spaghetti monster. Finally, honest critiquing of a crappy film.  I'm compelled to ask how the hell did the city of gold (the heart of the Olmec civilization) end up in South Dakota?
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Chippy
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Finding the City of Gold cleared the great grandfather by:
Despite him being the "architect" behind the Lincoln assassination, he stopped the Confederates from finding the City of Gold which would have kept the US divided and weak.
I liked it. I found it very interesting, not quite as fun as the first, but still good.
8.7/10 B+
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Bradley Witherberry
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Not a bad little timewaster. Lots of busy, shiny stuff to keep ya distracted from the minimal story. Nicolas Cage mere prescence elevates this kind of shit. It's the opposite of Beowulf - - here they use real actors to make a cartoon...
3 out of 5.
(BTW: That Goofy cartoon before the movie (How To Hook Up Your Home Theatre) was the best short Disney cartoon I've seen in decades - - it actually had relevant humor that was funny!)
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11621 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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Who here thought the animated short was actually better than the film?
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billybobwashere
He didn't look busy?!
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:59 pm Posts: 4308
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Well it made me laugh more, but outside Riley, these movies aren't supposed to make you laugh much. I would rather watch NT2 again than that short...but I'd laugh more watching the short than NT2.
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Groucho
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Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
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The first was a guilty pleasure, but this one just had too many problems that made me wonder what the scriptwriter was thinking. Too many "WTF" moments.
What was Ed Harris about? What was his motivation? Clearing his family name? By shooting at other people and trying to kill them? Oh yeah, that'll work. WTF?
What the hell were Mayans doing in South Dakota? What, did they take the gold from Mexico and travel all the way up into the area run by American indians so they could create a city there underground? WTF?
Why did the President, who apparently wanted Cage to find the treasure by giving him the info needed to get the book, then tell the FBI in order to stop him from doing that same thing? WTF?
Why didn't the police search for Cage all along after that huge car chase at the start where he allowed his picture to be taken by the police? It's not like he was in hiding! Couldn't they find him? WTF?
How did this clear the Gates name anyway? He wanted to help the confederates by killing Lincoln but he didn't want to help the confederates by telling them where the treasure was? WTF?
If President Coolidge knew to build Mt. Rushmore where it was in order to cover up the signs leading to the treasure, why didn't he just have people look for the treasure? What possible reason could the US, about to be hit by a despression, not want the gold? WTF?
Now, don't get me wrong -- I can sit back and enjoy the ride in action films, but I don't see why I should have to pretend to be stupid in order to enjoy them. There is such a thing as suspension of disbelief of course, but within the film's own world, there should be consistency and logic for the story to work.
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Webslinger
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Joined: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:24 pm Posts: 4110 Location: Stuck In A Moment I Can't Get Out Of
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Hmm, let's see...
Preposterous storyline? Check. Horrendous history? Check. Outlandish action? Check. Humor thrown in for good measure? Check.
Like its predecessor, National Treasure: Book of Secrets is solid escapist fun. I didn't enjoy this one as much as the first film, but I still found it to be a lot of fun, even in spite of a slow start and weak ending. It definitely requires large suspension of disbelief, and when the movie is as outlandishly fun as this one, I don't find that suspension to be hard to do. It served well as a breath of fresh, entertaining fun against the deeper, more intellectual (and admittedly, superior) lineup of films I've been watching lately.
Grade: B
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MovieDude
Where will you be?
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:50 am Posts: 11675
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I like my stupid with a bit more fun please. Jerry, just because your past few movies haven't had explosions or bad guys getting impaled doesn't mean they're any better than they used to be. Ever since you and Michael Bay got divorced, he's been making some fun eye candy and you've relegated yourself to CSI and shitty Disney action movies.
Good call Bradley for pointing out that Nicolas Cage elevates this shit. For a movie with such an improbably good cast, he's the only one who seems like he's having a good time and/or isn't brain dead. (Dear Jon Voight: I don't know if you had a stroke or what, but you've turned into a truly awful actor.)
Where is the redeeming humor I keep reading about? Justin Bartha was funnier as the retarded kid in Gigli, he felt much more useless and annoying this time around. Other than him and Cage, who did admittedly have one great moment making a scene in Britain, all the "witty" lines sounded like something a sarcastic fourth grader would spew.
Jon Turteltaub may be the worst director ever taken under the wing of Bruckheimer - and that's quite a feat.
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Jmart
Superman: The Movie
Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:47 am Posts: 21230 Location: Massachusetts
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I enjoyed it. It's not quite as good as the first but I wasn't expecting it to be. A lot of the charm and humor is missing. I'm not sure if it was Bartha or the screenplay, but it seemed like all of his jokes died. As a matter of fact the biggest laughs in the film came from Nic Cage. Cage's performance in the argument scene at Buckingham Palace was simply priceless. But, even though those two elements are somewhat missing, I was entertained.
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
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Thank you, Groucho. I just got back from this and you saved me the time and effort of needing to type out all that nonsense you so excellently detailed above. How fucking dumb is this script?
That bit with the president sending Nic Cage off and telling the FBI where he was was the worst. Why didn't he just say the door had closed to begin with? Oh, right, because the screenwriters don't know how to create or sustain dramatic conflict. Infuriating, that was.
I think these screenwriters ("The Wibberlys"? Are you joking?) are truly stupid.
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matatonio
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Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:56 pm Posts: 26066 Location: In good ol' Mexico
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Its not better than the original thats for sure. A little boring at times and quite dumb but overall its enjoyable.
B-
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The Mr Pink
What would Jesus *not* do?
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:55 am Posts: 829 Location: Going Up the Down Escalator
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This is just an ever downward spiraling piece of shit, and it is far worse than the first one, which I hated for its poor acting, bad dialogue, outright absurdity and mocking of history. This latest incarnation was poorly concieved and brimming with ineptitude right from the very beginning, in other words more of the same only worse. You could tell from opening sequence that this was written and directed by a couple of brain dead retarded monkeys high on pcp and angel dust (you ever see what that stuff does to children?*) This film had so many improbable, impossible and wtf moments that it made it really hard to suspend disbelief for even one second, let alone for 2 1/2hrs. Somebody mentioned that it looked as if Cage was the only one having fun in this film and they're right he was, or maybe its his bad toupee?. He has made so many crappy films in the last 4-5 years they've probably just become a big blur to him and he see's them only as a paycheck, a big fat honkin' paycheck to boot.
Its a shame people actually pay good money to see crap like this, thus ensuring more crap like this gets made. Its a sad and vicious circle.
Grade F
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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I got what I went in for. Love Riley. He's cute. Fun story. Can't wait for the third!! B+
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Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:12 am |
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2001
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Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:38 am Posts: 4556
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Got Lost on some parts for I have LittLe knowLedge on U.S. history and stuff but that didn't affect me from enjoying the fiLm at aLL with the heLp of Nic Cage/Justin Bartha/Jon Voight jokes and Diane Kruger. The first one which feLt more originaL was better, but it stiLL proved to be very entertaining aLthroughout by not taking itseLf too seriousLy.
B+
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thompsoncory
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14626 Location: LA / NYC
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When the first was released, I thought it looked awful and passed on it theatrically. It seemed so cheesy and I wasn't (and still am not) a fan of Nicolas Cage. However, it ended up surprising me and was quite entertaining and fun throughout. This is basically more of the same. It's nothing great, but a fun blockbuster that benefits from a strong cast and clever premise. I enjoyed it. B
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Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:28 am |
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_axiom
The Wall
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:50 am Posts: 16163 Location: Croatia
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6/10 - > C
I liked it just as much as the first one. Maybe a little more. The villains were better in the first one, but the adventure was better here.
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Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:03 am |
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
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Loved it.  It was nearly as much fun as the first one. A-
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Snrub
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this. Yes the plot's preposterous, and yes I rolled my eyes at a lot of it, but I was never bored. Most of the time, I was even pretty damn well entertained.
It's rare I find myself this at odds with the general consensus on a film. For example, most people thought the London car chase was boring, I thought it was one of the most thrilling I'd seen in ages. Maybe my opinion of the film will change on multiple viewiings, but right now it's the most fun I've had in a cinema in some time.
C'est la vie.
B+
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Gulli
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Snrub wrote: It's rare I find myself this at odds with the general consensus on a film. For example, most people thought the London car chase was boring, I thought it was one of the most thrilling I'd seen in ages. Maybe my opinion of the film will change on multiple viewiings, but right now it's the most fun I've had in a cinema in some time.
Where the heck was the plod thou??? Seriously shoddy on their part I'm with you on how much this film surprised me thou. Its nothing special but the time pasts quickly and I got a kick out of some of the silly clues and puzzles, plus Helen Mirren looks indecently good for a woman of her age.
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