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Box
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:52 am Posts: 25990
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Hm, what exactly is it about the film that elicits such hostile reactions? I honestly am baffled by the very negative comments. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this film is a masterpiece, and I do find the ending to be...weird and goodie-goodie, but still.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:25 pm |
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Neostorm
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:48 pm Posts: 4684 Location: Toronto
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This film was one gigantic Robitussin Commercial
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:04 pm |
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MGKC
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:42 pm Posts: 11808 Location: Kansas City, Kansas
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My family thought I was weird, but I loved this one for some reason. It always gets to me to see people age drastically in a movie, then to see the Earth many thousand years later. It was really sad.
This was the one with Sam Neil, right, or was that Bicentennial?
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:12 pm |
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zennier
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Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:38 pm Posts: 10316 Location: berkeley
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MG Casey wrote: My family thought I was weird, but I loved this one for some reason. It always gets to me to see people age drastically in a movie, then to see the Earth many thousand years later. It was really sad.
This was the one with Sam Neil, right, or was that Bicentennial?
Yea, wrong movie.
Though I think I'm the only other person who really liked Bi.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:17 pm |
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MGKC
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lennier wrote: MG Casey wrote: My family thought I was weird, but I loved this one for some reason. It always gets to me to see people age drastically in a movie, then to see the Earth many thousand years later. It was really sad.
This was the one with Sam Neil, right, or was that Bicentennial? Yea, wrong movie. Though I think I'm the only other person who really liked Bi.
My mistake. They're both still very good movies in my opinion. Seeing those people age decades and then the main robot character not look a day older was just terribly heart-breaking for me.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:26 pm |
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
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MG Casey wrote: My family thought I was weird, but I loved this one for some reason. It always gets to me to see people age drastically in a movie, then to see the Earth many thousand years later. It was really sad.
This is exactly what moved me too. Even in Bicenntenial (?!) Man.
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:01 am |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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Box wrote: Hm, what exactly is it about the film that elicits such hostile reactions? I honestly am baffled by the very negative comments. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this film is a masterpiece, and I do find the ending to be...weird and goodie-goodie, but still.
Hostile reactions? Save for Zing and myself, I think everyone on the first page loved it.
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:57 am |
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andaroo1
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:47 pm Posts: 9566
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The ending was deceptively dark. Aliens come from some other planet (?) to Earth to uncover its secrets, find the last "living" record of all of humanity and all it yearns for is fleeting and "virtual" selfish pleasures?
A.I. is a film about the inability of the human race to emotionally evolve. The whole concept of the film is that humans create these children to fill emotional voids. The robots and the humans can never move on, there can never be acceptence or a feeling of loss.
David is essentially dead by the end of the film. He has no purpose. Pinnochio yearned to become a real boy for the sake of experiencing humanity and exploring. David's explorations were about bringing him closer to fufilling the purpose of his programming. David never became a "real boy".
It's a sad ending, I welcome alternate thoughts on it. It was in Kubrick's story vision, this ending, it wasn't something Spielberg created alone. There is a lot of dismissing the ending instead of people discussing what it is actually saying. 2/3 of A.I. is a super challenging movie, I don't know why people automatically simplify the ending.
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:59 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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andaroo wrote: The ending was deceptively dark. Aliens come from some other planet (?) to Earth to uncover its secrets, find the last "living" record of all of humanity and all it yearns for is fleeting and "virtual" selfish pleasures?
A.I. is a film about the inability of the human race to emotionally evolve. The whole concept of the film is that humans create these children to fill emotional voids. The robots and the humans can never move on, there can never be acceptence or a feeling of loss.
Isn't a premise like this supposed to move me if executed well? Because it sure didn't. Or maybe it just showcased my inability to emotionally evolve. In any case, it was boring, boring and once again, excruciatingly boring.
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:02 pm |
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andaroo1
Lord of filth
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Isn't a premise like this supposed to move me if executed well? You said the ending was "terrible". I don't care if it moved you or not, but why shoot down discussion on it. Quote: Or maybe it just showcased my inability to emotionally evolve. I'm not attacking you Lecter so back off. Quote: In any case, it was boring, boring and once again, excruciatingly boring.
So, you are posting in this thread because you want to discuss it... but you really *don't* want to discuss it?
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:07 pm |
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neo_wolf
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My favorite sci-fi film of the decade,spielberg's most nisunderstood film.Its also spielberg's second most underrated film after empire of the sun.The film has the greatest visual effects of the decade and deserved the award over FOTR.Atleast the people who didnt like the film admit it was visually stunning,do you think the same way lecter?
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:08 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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andaroo wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Isn't a premise like this supposed to move me if executed well? You said the ending was "terrible". I don't care if it moved you or not, but why shoot down discussion on it. Quote: Or maybe it just showcased my inability to emotionally evolve. I'm not attacking you Lecter so back off. Quote: In any case, it was boring, boring and once again, excruciatingly boring. So, you are posting in this thread because you want to discuss it... but you really *don't* want to discuss it?
This posting of mine that you so finely dissected wasn't meant to argue any points, but was just a rather humorous reply to your post because I that "emotionally evolve" thing reminded me of how emotionless I sat throughout this movie.
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:22 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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neo_wolf wrote: My favorite sci-fi film of the decade,spielberg's most nisunderstood film.Its also spielberg's second most underrated film after empire of the sun.The film has the greatest visual effects of the decade and deserved the award over FOTR.Atleast the people who didnt like the film admit it was visually stunning,do you think the same way lecter?
Sure, you should read my review on the lastpage, heh:
"Visually the movie is a feast. In its year, it had by far the best visual effects of any movie released, surpassing those of FOTR and Pearl Harbor. The imagery of the abandoned and flooded New York City is breathtaking as are the robots designs. Very masterful cinematography, effects and make-up all-around."
It was one of the visually most enchanting films I have ever seen. Definitely deserved more Oscars in the technicals department. Too bad I didn't find anything else interesting about it.
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:24 pm |
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DP07
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15493 Location: Everywhere
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The ending was weak, but I still really liked it.
7.8/10
In my top 10 for 2001.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:23 pm |
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thompsoncory
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14605 Location: LA / NYC
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This film is an absolute masterpiece.
A+
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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I thought it was actually one of Spielberg's better films (not saying much, I know) -- but of course, he stole the concept from Kubrick, my favorite director who sadly didn't get a chance to make this movie before he died.
The tone is wildly uneven, but the parts in which Spielberg is able to get the melancholy going for a few minutes at a time, give a hint of what a master like Kubrick would have done with it, instead of the hack that butchered it.
Quote: A bit about the production history from Wikipedia: A.I. was initially inspired by a very short story by UK science-fiction writer Brian Aldiss, Super-Toys Last All Summer Long. Kubrick and Aldiss spent years (on and off) attempting to develop this piece into a full length film. Aldiss claims he never felt the story could be successfully expanded into something bigger, as its focus was too intimate to begin with, and this seems to have been the origin of his problems with Spielberg, who was equally certain it could be fleshed out. Despite these problems, Aldiss has claimed he and Kubrick had come up with three or four "non-submersible units" (Kubrick-speak for the interesting sequences a film should contain 6 of) by taking ideas from other stories of his. Kubrick seems to have made some highly unreasonable demands on Aldiss[citation needed], and there was also a dispute over money. Coupled with Kubrick's insistence on taking elements from "Pinocchio" this ended their relationship. Irish science fiction novelist Bob Shaw was then brought on board for a few months, but he found Kubrick too demanding. Kubrick turned to another UK science fiction notable, Ian Watson, who did seem to work well with him, and the two produced the long treatment (credited to Watson) that Spielberg used to write his screenplay. Both British feminist writer, Sara Maitland, and Arthur C. Clarke added ideas to A.I. A science fiction painter known as Fangorn (Christopher Baker website) was commissioned to produce hundreds of pictures from ideas and descriptions given to him by Kubrick which were used heavily by Spielberg, too. Spielberg then bought the rights to Aldiss' two brief sequels to "Supertoys" and ideas from them appear in the movie.
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trixster
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 Re: A.I. - Artificial Intelligence
Visually stunning and narratively complex, it manages to combine Spielberg's and Kubrick's sensibilities without feeling too uneven. Basically, it's a three act work. The first act feels like typical Spielbergian family drama, with the (relatively) light tone and comedic aspect. It raises issues of humanity, but never really tackles them, leaving that for the second act, a dark, imaginative piece that manages to be both entertaining and deep. It's my favourite bit of the film. By the third act, a lot of enjoyment has faded from the film, leaving a deeply though-provoking work that I still don't think I've got a handle on. The gradual shift from light to dark is accomplished well, and the end isn't as frustrating to me as it is to others, but it's more of a flawed masterpiece than an out-and-out one. The visual effects are downright incredible, and Jude Law's performance is terrific, and the visions of the future that this film shows are simultaneously thrilling and terrifying. Still, it's not perfect, but it's pretty close.
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