Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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neo_wolf
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I found the factory in the original much more fun and inventive than in burton's version.
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Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:03 pm |
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neo_wolf
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Veruca's father looking scared:Whats this wonka,some kind of funhouse?
Wonka:Why,having fun?
Wonka when they arrive at the tiny door:This is the nerve center,everything inside is eatable, i mean edible,i mean you can eat everything.
Agustus:Let me in im starvin!
Wonka:Dont lose your head agustus,we dont want that now do we?
Wonka puts a shoe in as an ingredient
Violet's father:Whats that for?
Wonka:It gives it a little kick.
Wonka seeing agustus struggling in the pipe:The suspense is terrible.....i hope it lasts.
Violet Beauregarde: Well they can't be real people.
Willy Wonka: Well of course they're real people.
Mr. Salt: Stuff and nonsense.
Willy Wonka: No, Oompa Loompas.
The Group: Oompa Loompas?
Willy Wonka: From Loompaland.
Mrs. Teevee: Loompaland? There's no such place.
Willy Wonka: Excuse me, dear lady...
Mrs. Teevee: Mr. Wonka, I am a teacher of geography.
Willy Wonka: Oh, well then you know all about it and what a terrible country it is. Nothing but desolate wastes and fierce beasts. And the poor little Oompa Loompas were so small and helpless, they would get gobbled up right and left. A Wangdoodle would eat ten of them for breakfast and think nothing of it. And so, I said, "Come and live with me in peace and safety, away from all the Wangdoodles and Hornswogglers and Snozzwangers and rotten Vermicious Knids."
Mr. Salt: Snozzwangers? Vermicious Knids? What kind of rubbish is that?
Willy Wonka: I'm sorry, but all questions must be submitted in writing. And so, in the greatest of secrecy I transported the entire population of Oompa Loompas to my factory here.
Noticing signs on vats]
Mr. Salt: Wonka. Butterscotch? Buttergin? You running something on the side here?
Willy Wonka: Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.
Veruca Salt: Snozzberry? Who ever heard of a snozzberry?
Willy Wonka: [grabs Veruca's chin] We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka: So shines a good deed in a weary world.
Willy Wonka: There's no earthly way of knowing / Which direction we are going / There's no knowing where we're rowing / Or which way the river's flowing / Is it raining? / Is it snowing? / Is a hurricane a-blowing? / Not a speck of light is showing / So the danger must be growing / Are the fires of hell a-glowing? / Is the grisly reaper mowing? / Yes, the danger must be growing / 'Cause the rowers keep on rowing / And they're certainly not showing / Any signs that they are slowing.
Willy Wonka: If the good Lord had intended us to walk he wouldn't have invented roller-skates.
Charlie Bucket: What was that we just went through?
Willy Wonka: Hsawaknow.
Mrs. Teevee: Is that Japanese?
Willy Wonka: No, that's Wonkawash spelled backwards.
Mrs. Gloop: My son. He'll be made into marshmallows in five seconds.
Willy Wonka: Impossible, my dear lady. That's absurd. Unthinkable.
Mrs. Gloop: Why?
Willy Wonka: Because that pipe doesn't go to the marshmallow rooom. It goes to the fudge room.
Mrs. Gloop: You terrible man.
Charlie Bucket: Mr. Wonka, they won't really be burned in the furnace, will they?
Willy Wonka: Well, I think that furnace is only lit every other day, so they have a good sporting chance, haven't they?
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Depp dosent come even close to Wilder's performance.The original was so much funnier.
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Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:29 pm |
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Maximus
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Hmm, I liked it. Not quite as funny or scary as the original, but good fun.
Right now I am settling for a B+. I enjoyed every momment with Depp in it.
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Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:57 pm |
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Vincent wrote: Thank you!
Star Wars read the book please. [-(
I am going too... but who cares? The book I guess has that repetition as well and even if it's not Burton's fault doesn't change the fact each scene is the same 4 times in a row. Now does it?
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TonyMontana
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Meh... it was very average to me. I think it was one of those movies that struggled to find it's audience... too dark for children, too childish for adults. Burton and Depp just aren't two people that should team up for a kids type movie.
There were a few moments where I chuckled and the bratty children's demise was slightly amusing. However, there were lots of dry moments, and nothing was hilarious. While it was slightly darker than the first, and had more backstory, I just didn't see the need for the remake.
5.5/10 (C)
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Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:53 pm |
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movies35
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It was okay, I don't understand where all the praise is from people, it was very average. The first fourty minutes is great, as is the end but everything in between seems a bit ... well not good. Better than the original though.
7/10 (B-)
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Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:23 pm |
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zingy
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Decent. In comparison to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, it wasn't quite as good, but still not that bad either. Johnny Depp portrayed Willy Wonka very well, but not as good as Wilder in the original film. Johnny Depp was more fun and entertaining to watch, but didn't portray the perfect Willy Wonka. The oompa-loompas were great. The movie was great to watch. The young actors playing the various children were fine. It really felt like a Burton film. Not that it was one of his best, but certainly better than I imagined months ago. B-
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Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:43 pm |
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insomniacdude
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Ah, finally, a movie that caters to my needs. I've long wanted to see a scene in a movie in which highly trained squirrels attack a poor innocent girl and throw her into "the incinerator". I've always a scene in a movie in which rnaomd singing puppet thingies burst into flame and melt slowly as I laughed maniacly.
Maybe it was just me, but was the introduction of Wonka not one of the weirdest introductions for a character in a movie?
Seriously, this must be the strangest two hours in my entire life. Whether that's good or bad is up to you. I think Depp was incredibly brilliant as the quirky Wonka. Highmore was great too, but sadly, he was really quiet for a majority of the film. As soon as the children entered the factory, he was almost forgotten about. Same with every child....that is, until it was time for their unfortunate demise.
Overall, I give it a A-, but it will likely go down after a second viewing.
One last note: Oompa-Loompas = W.T.F.
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:49 am |
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neo_wolf
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The Oompa Loompas originally came from africa and they were so black that charlie thought that they were chocolate people,the original film did not dare make the Oompa Loompas loo like that in their film,and the author himself changed the look of them later in the 70s after being persuaded.
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:54 pm |
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well anyways I read the book and the movie differs from the book ALOT so why is everyone telling me to read the book and such?
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:55 pm |
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tina_als_girl
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Because it's closer to the book--mainly in terms of spirit, tone, and message... and keeping Charlie 100% pure--than the horrific '71 musical travesty.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:00 am |
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andaroo1
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tina_als_girl wrote: Because it's closer to the book--mainly in terms of spirit, tone, and message... and keeping Charlie 100% pure--than the horrific '71 musical travesty.
The thing is, this wasn't really far removed from the 1971 "musical travesty". That "musical travesty", that by the way, a lot of people are emotionally attached to due to Gene Wilder's amazing performance, had better songs (that people actually remember... MAYBE Dahl wasn't much of a lyricist?), better rhythm and hit all the beats that this film was trying to aside from those dealing with Wonka's past. It also gave Charlie a character. Here Charlie gets to the factory and melts (pun!) into the background. His "purity" didn't amuse me. After Mike Teevee gets shrunk it's like "Okay you won!". I prefer the change, Wonka getting upset and Charlie having to make a choice to do what's honorable.
It's average, punctuated by moments (especially the first 30 minutes) of great Tim Burton. When we get to the factory every sense of what this movie is trying to achieve is utterly lost.
The Oompas are amazingly... just.... bad. It's also amazing how bad the CG is in this film, being that the achieved so much 34 years ago with almost nothing.
I did enjoy the father plot with Christopher Lee, and every time Wonka was launching into a flash back. Danny Elfman's score is the best since 1997's Men in Black.
I will take the "horrific '71 musical travesty" any day of the week over this. I don't care how close it is to the book. The perfect Wonka/Charlie film is a mix between the two, but since we don't have the definitive vision. I would take the factory sections from the 1971 versions and merge them with the non-factory sections of the 2005 version. But since we can't have that, I will stay with the old Wonka, Verca Salt, Violet, Mike Teevee, Charlie, etc. from the 1971 version.
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:37 am |
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The "it's a better film because it's closer to the book" isn't a very good argument. Being faithful to source material isn't an accurate barometer of quality.
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:07 pm |
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andaroo wrote: tina_als_girl wrote: Because it's closer to the book--mainly in terms of spirit, tone, and message... and keeping Charlie 100% pure--than the horrific '71 musical travesty. The thing is, this wasn't really far removed from the 1971 "musical travesty". That "musical travesty", that by the way, a lot of people are emotionally attached to due to Gene Wilder's amazing performance, had better songs (that people actually remember... MAYBE Dahl wasn't much of a lyricist?), better rhythm and hit all the beats that this film was trying to aside from those dealing with Wonka's past. It also gave Charlie a character. Here Charlie gets to the factory and melts (pun!) into the background. His "purity" didn't amuse me. After Mike Teevee gets shrunk it's like "Okay you won!". I prefer the change, Wonka getting upset and Charlie having to make a choice to do what's honorable. It's average, punctuated by moments (especially the first 30 minutes) of great Tim Burton. When we get to the factory every sense of what this movie is trying to achieve is utterly lost. The Oompas are amazingly... just.... bad. It's also amazing how bad the CG is in this film, being that the achieved so much 34 years ago with almost nothing. I did enjoy the father plot with Christopher Lee, and every time Wonka was launching into a flash back. Danny Elfman's score is the best since 1997's Men in Black. I will take the "horrific '71 musical travesty" any day of the week over this. I don't care how close it is to the book. The perfect Wonka/Charlie film is a mix between the two, but since we don't have the definitive vision. I would take the factory sections from the 1971 versions and merge them with the non-factory sections of the 2005 version. But since we can't have that, I will stay with the old Wonka, Verca Salt, Violet, Mike Teevee, Charlie, etc. from the 1971 version.
Like that bit of praise bolded above for the 1971 version.
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Jeff
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Just got back from seeing it, will publish my full review later.
In short though, it was fantastic. Brilliant, once again Burton is at the top of his game. I'd have to give it an A- right now.
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Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:00 pm |
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andaroo1
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loyalfromlondon wrote: The "it's a better film because it's closer to the book" isn't a very good argument. Being faithful to source material isn't an accurate barometer of quality.
I haven't read the books, but I don't understand why we are talking about accuracy in regards to the Oompas when they run around in vinyl multicolored outfits and play modernish rock songs, or in one case, heavy metal!
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:05 pm |
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baumer72
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Very fun film, and Depp was his usual brilliant self.
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Chippy
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Damn fine movie...
9.5/10
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Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:47 am |
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baumer72
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The thing that makes me laugh at this whole Gene Wilder controversy is that the first film didn't do shit at the box office and he is worried that this film will tarnish the good quality of his film? Give me a break.
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cujoy
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I gave it a D.
Depp stunk. Hated the Michael Jacksonish approach to the character, and it colored my feelings about the film for the entire time I watched it. I was very bored during the parts of the film which flashbacked to Wonka's childhood trauma. I totally didn't care how the character came to be weird and freakish, and honestly, I just wanted one of the Oompa Loompas to swing by on a candy vine and knock him unconscious.
I am not one who is particularly attached to the 1970's version, as I didn't remember much about it beyond the Oompa Loompa song, and Gene Wilder doing a dance routine. But after seeing this, I rented the old version, and Gene Wilder's light touch on the character was far superior to Depp's creepiness. And I think the older versions songs are better as well. (Which isn't to say that beyond Wilder and the Oompa Loompas that I like the original that much either. I think I'm probably just not much of a fan of this particuarly heavy handed morality tale. So I blame Dahl for my dislike of this movie more then Depp and Burton.)
About the Oompa Loompas. I think they were the best part of both versions, so to me, they cancel each other out.
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Tim Burton has always been one of my favorite directors. I love his inventive and quirky style of moviemaking in addition to the fact that he chooses amazing projects. They are often controversial and not always guaranteed success stories, but they always have a fascinating story to tell. I first took note of Burton's extreme talent with the 1990 film EDWARD SCISSORHANDS. This emotional and moving tale that was also darkly comedic was one of my favorite films as a child and still remains atop my list of the finest films of all time. He followed that with the sequel BATMAN RETURNS, where he singlehandedly revitalized his own franchise with several memorable characters added into the mix. 1999's SLEEPY HOLLOW was what really made him one of my favorite directors. With breathtaking imagery, stunning performances and a haunting tale, it is one of the best films ever made. Coming off a minor hit in 2003's BIG FISH, Burton returns to the screen this summer with CHARLIE & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY, a dream project of his that he has been trying to get off the ground for years.
Originally brought to life in 1971 as WILLY WONKA & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY, Burton's version remains closer to the original novel, a wonderful book written by Roald Dahl. The tale is pretty familiar to most. Charlie Bucket (Freddie Highmore) is a poor young boy living with his family in a small and desolate shack in the middle of London. He knows nothing of wealth or priviledge, instead relying on family to get him through his tough days. The one thing he does have to look up to is a tall and illustrious chocolate factory which lies a short distance away from his home. Owned by the eccentric and mysterious Willy Wonka (Johnny Depp), no one has ever seen anyone going in or out of the factory for over 20 years. This is why many are taken by surprise when a new contest is announced. Wonka has decided to give out five Golden Tickets, passes to enter his factory for one whole day. These passes are hidden behind the wrappers of five ordinary candy bars. Thus begins a worldwide search for these rare and valuable tokens.
First to find one is Augustus Gloop (Philip Wiegratz), an overweight German boy with an eye for candy. Second is Violet Beauregarde, a world champion gum chewer from Atlanta. Third is Veruca Salt (Julie Winter), a spoiled and bratty English girl whose mild mannered father (James Fox) gives her anything she wants. Fourth is Mike TeaVee (Jordan Fry), a science wiz and video game aficionado. One ticket is left and it seems impossible that Charlie will find the final ticket, judging by the fact that he only gets one chocolate bar a year. But through a twist of fate, Charlie finds the last golden ticket and embarks with his grandfather (David Kelly) to the factory he had dreamed of entering for so long.
Once inside, the children encounter many strange occurances, one of which is Willy Wonka himself. Essentially a boy who refused to grow up, he is immature and slightly creepy, with a childlike innocence to him as well. Another is the strange Oompa Loompas (all portrayed by Deep Roy), small people who serve as Wonka's workers. One by one, the children fall prey to some aspect of the factory, thereby leaving only one who will win a prize beyond their wildest imagination.
Burton's amazing visual style is immediately present here from the opening frame. He is one of the finest directors in Hollywood, always doing his best to bring out the beauty in everything. The snowy streets of London have an illuminating glow to them and the chocolate factory itself is a wonder to behold. Every aspect of it has a strange appeal, always colorful and wonderful to look at. The scenery of the film is one of its finest aspects and should definitely be remembered come awards season. Another great thing about Burton is that he doesn't rely too heavily on special effects. Everything in this world that he has created looks and seems completely real, helping the audience journey into this strange and wonderous place.
The screenplay written by John August ( CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE) is absolutely hilarious. This is honestly one of the most hysterical films of the year. I found myself laughing almost the entire way through with the quirky dialogue and several other one-liners. It is one of those scripts which works just as well for children as it does for adults, and all audiences will certainly get a laugh out of it.
The acting is spectacular. Johnny Depp, who became my favorite actor after fantastic turns in both PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN and FINDING NEVERLAND, is great here. Many have criticized his performance for being too menacing and creepy, but this is part of why it works. Wonka is an eccentric and is supposed to be slightly creepy and childlike, and Depp pulls it off in a stylish and fun way. It is rather obvious that he had a blast playing this role, with an over-the-top sense that actually adds to the performance. Freddie Highmore, who stole audiences' hearts with a heartbreaking breakthrough turn in last year's FINDING NEVERLAND, is also excellent, giving the film its heart and soul. He has certainly cemented himself as one of the finest young actors working today. The rest of the children are all notable as well. Unlike the recent BAD NEWS BEARS remake, all of the youngsters here actually have real talent and it is quite obvious that a lot of care was put into picking the right child. Annasophia Robb is the only other one besides Highmore who is a film veteran, and she is the standout. Julie Winter is also hilarious as the spoiled Veruca Salt. David Kelly plays Charlie's grandfather and does a solid job, as do Helena Bohnam Carter and Noah Taylor as his loving parents. Christopher Lee is thrown in as Wonka's father to give him a backstory of sorts and does a good job as well.
The real standout, however, is Deep Roy as all of the Oompa Loompas who inhabit the factory. Roy encountered quite a feat while playing the role, essentially repeating the same performance hundreds of times. In post-production, these performances were put together digitally and made the Oompa Loompas come to life. Roy is hilarious in these multiple roles and the Oompa Loompas are the real showstoppers of the picture. The songs they sing are always hilarious, catchy and inventive. This is a major improvement from the Wilder version, in my opinion.
Overall, CHARLIE & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY is an amazing film. Widely criticized for being too dark for family audiences, I have to respectfully disagree. It will not only amaze and entertain children, but will also keep adults captivated in its wacky and fun story. This is one of the best films of the year so far and certainly one of the finest this summer. Highly recommended.
9/10 (A)
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:22 pm |
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Impact
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My first review in a while.
anyway,
Charlie and the Chocloate Factor
2005
PG
Color
I thought this was very good, and was a lot better then the original. I enjoyed it, as it was less scary then the original and it was a fun movie. Depp was creepy and funny at the same time. The Oompa Loompas made me laugh, and the ending was better then the original as well!
Well Done!
B+
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:06 am |
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rolandka19
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Saw this today. I thought it was great which I wasn't expecting. Very weird movie. Johnny Depp was pretty brilliant as Willy Wonka, in my opinion- kind of creepy though. There were a lot of great lines that made me laugh aloud and I had a big smile on my face during much of the movie. EXCELLENT, Oscar-worthy set design and visual effects. Freddie Highmore and Christopher Lee (yeah-! Great voice) were both great as well. I loved the Oompa-Loompas and their musical numbers. Congrats Deep Roy! You were pretty awesome.
A-
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Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:50 pm |
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Snrub
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Finally saw it and loved every second (except for the annoying toddler sat next to me who talked all the way through).
Some truly guffaw inducing moments that I've not seen anyone mention yet:
Wonka searching for a key on the world's biggest set of keys to open a waist high gate and save Veruca from the squirrels.
Wonka hiding behind a newspaper and pretending to be someone else while Charlie shines his shoes - despite having parked his glass elevator immediately in front of the shine stand.
A+
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:44 pm |
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Dkmuto
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Snrub wrote: Finally saw it and loved every second (except for the annoying toddler sat next to me who talked all the way through).
Some truly guffaw inducing moments that I've not seen anyone mention yet:
Wonka searching for a key on the world's biggest set of keys to open a waist high gate and save Veruca from the squirrels.
Wonka hiding behind a newspaper and pretending to be someone else while Charlie shines his shoes - despite having parked his glass elevator immediately in front of the shine stand.
A+
So was it everything you imagined (and fakely wrote of) and more?
Or just everything you imagined?
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