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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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 Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Thegun wrote: I'd be more interested in "They" that knew of JFK being a mutant and killed him, How Magneto could tell he was one, and how they caught him and kept it secret for 10 years. I know it was mostly just a throwaway line and a fun one at that. But that could have been an entire movie on its own. I whiled away some of my boredom imagining that other whole more interesting storyline too!
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Flava'd vs The World
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 Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past
I love the ending to this movie so much. Even though I was enjoying myself, I hadn't been able to build a strong connection to the movie. You have great scenes like Fassbender on the plane and McAvoy/Stewart but for the most part everything was moving too fast to breathe. McAvoy, Fass or Jlaw really got me at the end though. I totally bought into their triangle of strained friendship/possible kinky sex. Then Wolverine coming back and seeing all the events from Last Stand struck from history. Rogue, Jean and mofo Cyclops!
The future stuff has some good action parts, but I'm very glad the movie prioritized the characters from First Class. Wolverine is great, but we've seen a hundred movies starring him. Singer could have easily rewitten it, focusing on HIS characters. Yet instead he cuts them down a bare minimum, using these well established characters as story drivers, giving Vaughn's younger cast their appropriate spotlight.
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Wed May 28, 2014 12:40 pm |
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Brian
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Flava'd vs The World wrote: McAvoy, Fass or Jlaw really got me at the end though. I totally bought into their triangle of strained friendship/possible kinky sex. What about Beast?, Will he still be interested in Raven in the next films?
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Wed May 28, 2014 2:53 pm |
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Brian
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And that's simply stupid 'cause Xavier did not show any love interest in First Class, and here he became neurotic for her departure?
Wtf happened to Moira MacTaggert, the man kissed her?????
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Wed May 28, 2014 3:20 pm |
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MGKC
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:42 pm Posts: 11808 Location: Kansas City, Kansas
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 Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Mind-bender: How does Kitty ever know the rules of her time-traveling ability if every time she send someone back in time, it erases the timeline where she actually sent someone back?
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Wed May 28, 2014 3:24 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21895 Location: Walking around somewhere
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The person who was sent back knows what has happened when it's changed, and they told her. BOOM
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Wed May 28, 2014 4:30 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 25427 Location: Classified
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 Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Brian wrote: Flava'd vs The World wrote: McAvoy, Fass or Jlaw really got me at the end though. I totally bought into their triangle of strained friendship/possible kinky sex. What about Beast?, Will he still be interested in Raven in the next films? I keep forgetting about Hoult, but I do like his portrayal of Beast. And they even brought Kelsey Grammar back! Beast was always one of my favorites. He never really got much to do in the original trilogy, so I'm glad he has a big part to play in the past. That being said, I never once believed he had any chance with Mystique. You can't outmaneuver Magneto and Professor X. Also, are we sure that was Apocalypse at the end? Looked like a chick to me.
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Wed May 28, 2014 5:55 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21895 Location: Walking around somewhere
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She banged Azazel, I think she would relate more to the ones that need to struggle like her. When Beast is caught and is stared at by everyone is also a great scene.
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Wed May 28, 2014 6:37 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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 Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past
trixster wrote: why even bother breaking magneto out of prison? Does anyone have a serious answer to this question?
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:02 am |
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Brian
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: trixster wrote: why even bother breaking magneto out of prison? Does anyone have a serious answer to this question? Magneto was innocent, he didn't kill the president, he deserved to be free 
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:19 am |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68372
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 Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Bradley Witherberry wrote: trixster wrote: why even bother breaking magneto out of prison? Does anyone have a serious answer to this question? To ensure that X-Men, X2: X-Men United and X-Men: The Last Stand are not a trilogy dedicated to continuity errors. Magneto also was the reason that Mystique showed mutants are empathetic towards humans. Magneto posed an even bigger threat, was an even bigger asshole, which paved the way for Mystique to show how not all mutants are the same, which in turn showed how great they are, which then deterred humans from wiping them all out. Indirectly, Magneto was very important. Other than that, it's because Singer didn't want the first three films to be rendered useless, two of which he directed. If they didn't break him out, he would still have been in prison in 2000 when he should have been atop the Statue of Liberty etc. Lastly, as Brian said, Magneto was innocent. He didn't kill the President.
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:26 am |
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Algren
now we know
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But in terms of why Wolverine thought he had to break Magneto out of prison in order for the plan to work, it can only be Magneto's brilliant future self. He said that they would need him too (because he wanted to get out of prison), and Wolverine just believed it. Perfect manipulation by Magneto.
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:33 am |
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trixster
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Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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when wolverine goes back, he changes the timeline. at some point magneto would've got out of prison on his own, because he's free at the start of the first x-men. they didn't need to break him out.
i can buy that he's needed to show that some mutants are empathetic, but that wasn't the plan to begin with.
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:36 am |
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Algren
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trixster wrote: when wolverine goes back, he changes the timeline. at some point magneto would've got out of prison on his own, because he's free at the start of the first x-men. they didn't need to break him out.
i can buy that he's needed to show that some mutants are empathetic, but that wasn't the plan to begin with. 1. Maybe he wanted to get out sooner. 2. Maybe that was Magneto's plan all along. He's a cunning villain after all. 3. I kind of agree that it's a plot hole/plot point of circumstance. Singer didn't fully tie up all loose ends in the screenplay, and this is just one of countless others that don't make complete sense.
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:44 am |
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Algren
now we know
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People that like the movie for its visual panache will argue in its favour (until death if possible)despite noticing the plot holes in the film. Then there are people like me that accept its shortcomings but still find the film entertaining. But there's the other side of the coin, people that probably enjoyed it but will say they hated it because not everything made 100% perfect sense. Lastly, there are those that hated it and are all too happy to bring up the plot holes.
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Thu May 29, 2014 8:55 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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 Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Algren wrote: Lastly, as Brian said, Magneto was innocent. He didn't kill the President. Source: Magneto
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Thu May 29, 2014 9:35 am |
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Algren
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Well, in actual fact, the source is narrative convention. If you knew how to read film, you'd understand that.
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Thu May 29, 2014 9:42 am |
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Chippy
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Bradley doesn't, though.
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Thu May 29, 2014 11:15 am |
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Jedi Master Carr
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trixster wrote: when wolverine goes back, he changes the timeline. at some point magneto would've got out of prison on his own, because he's free at the start of the first x-men. they didn't need to break him out.
i can buy that he's needed to show that some mutants are empathetic, but that wasn't the plan to begin with. I guess old Magneto thought he would work with Xavier. I guess he was just jaded by guilt and thought his younger self would be like him now. The belief was they needed Magneto because she wouldn't just listen to Charles, if Magneto had cooperated it would have worked. They had no way to know that he would try to kill Mystique.
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Fri May 30, 2014 2:31 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: trixster wrote: when wolverine goes back, he changes the timeline. at some point magneto would've got out of prison on his own, because he's free at the start of the first x-men. they didn't need to break him out.
i can buy that he's needed to show that some mutants are empathetic, but that wasn't the plan to begin with. I guess old Magneto thought he would work with Xavier. I guess he was just jaded by guilt and thought his younger self would be like him now. The belief was they needed Magneto because she wouldn't just listen to Charles, if Magneto had cooperated it would have worked. They had no way to know that he would try to kill Mystique. I think future Magneto would have known full well what his past self would do, and believed that his solution was better than the nonviolent one Charles came up with. As goes their eternal battle. A line mentioning this would have been nice.
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Fri May 30, 2014 10:57 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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That wasn't the intent, so there wouldn't be a line. They broke Magneto out because they weren't sure Charles could reason with Raven.
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Fri May 30, 2014 11:34 pm |
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Algren
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But Charles single-handedly reasoned with Raven by projecting himself in the airport, then again outside the White House. It was pretty easily done. No need to get Magneto out at all.
And if you come back with 'the stakes at play were too big to take that risk', then why didn't they just go back in time 70 years to when Mystique was a child and kill her then? or at least stop her in some way earlier, rather than leaving it to a few seconds before she kills Trask. It's kind of stupid.
On a side note, Mystique's age is rather unbelievable. She looks around 17 years old in 1962, so in 1973 she should be 27/28 years old. In X2, in 2003, she looks around 30-32 years old, but she should be 58 years old. As far as I'm aware, she doesn't have anti-aging like Wolverine. Then, when her powers are taken from her in X-Men: The Last Stand in 2006, she looks like a 35 year old Rebecca Romijn-Stamos.
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Sat May 31, 2014 12:26 am |
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Algren
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Algren wrote: A 1. X2: X-Men United
B+ 2. X-Men: Days of Future Past 3. X-Men: First Class
B 4. X-Men 5. X-Men: The Last Stand
C+ 6. The Wolverine
D+ 7. X-Men Origins: Wolverine I just watched X2 again and so my list is now altered to: B+1. X-Men: Days of Future Past2. X-Men: First Class3. X2: X-Men UnitedB4. X-Men5. X-Men: The Last StandC+6. The WolverineD+7. X-Men Origins: WolverineSo overall, a good, not great, franchise. Still, If I had to rank comic-book franchises, it would go like this: 1. The Amazing Spider-Man 2. X-Men 3. Batman 4. The Fantastic Four 5. The Dark Knight 6. Captain America 7. Superman 8. Iron Man 9. Spider-Man 10. Thor 11. Ghost Rider *only films with 2 or more instalments were included. Man of Steel, Superman Returns, Hulk and The Incredible Hulk are not included. I guess superhero films just don't excite me too much. I have my favourites, but mostly they're just shit and all pretty much reproduce the same stories time and time again.
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Sat May 31, 2014 3:28 am |
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Riggs
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Algren wrote: On a side note, Mystique's age is rather unbelievable. She looks around 17 years old in 1962, so in 1973 she should be 27/28 years old. In X2, in 2003, she looks around 30-32 years old, but she should be 58 years old. As far as I'm aware, she doesn't have anti-aging like Wolverine. Then, when her powers are taken from her in X-Men: The Last Stand in 2006, she looks like a 35 year old Rebecca Romijn-Stamos. I'm not entirely sure but I do think they say something about her not aging like normal in First Class.
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Sat May 31, 2014 5:11 am |
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Algren
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Riggs wrote: Algren wrote: On a side note, Mystique's age is rather unbelievable. She looks around 17 years old in 1962, so in 1973 she should be 27/28 years old. In X2, in 2003, she looks around 30-32 years old, but she should be 58 years old. As far as I'm aware, she doesn't have anti-aging like Wolverine. Then, when her powers are taken from her in X-Men: The Last Stand in 2006, she looks like a 35 year old Rebecca Romijn-Stamos. I'm not entirely sure but I do think they say something about her not aging like normal in First Class. Yes, they may have done actually. I watched it the other day too, and I am also not sure, but it rings a bell.
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