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Snrub
Vagina Qwertyuiop
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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I hated all three Matrix films. I thought they were pretentious, boring twaddle.
That said, V for Vendetta's bloody terrific. It's the first time in a long time I genuinely can't wait to watch something more than once.
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zennier
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Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:38 pm Posts: 10316 Location: berkeley
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loyalfromlondon wrote: A+
Breathtaking, flawless, disturbing, manic.
I'm a dystopia whore. Sue me.
Eww.
Same goes for you too, snrub.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:06 pm |
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getluv
i break the rules, so i don't care
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 4:28 pm Posts: 20411
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How did this crap do so well?
Words can't express how deeply pathetic this film is. Oh and the direction, let's not go there. I need time to dwell on my review.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:11 pm |
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Snrub
Vagina Qwertyuiop
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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Eagle wrote: Not a huge fan of the Bush bashing, but can't discredit the movie ... it was top notch. Throughly enjoyed it.
I'm confused, where was the bush bashing?
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:11 pm |
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zennier
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Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:38 pm Posts: 10316 Location: berkeley
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Snrub wrote: Eagle wrote: Not a huge fan of the Bush bashing, but can't discredit the movie ... it was top notch. Throughly enjoyed it. I'm confused, where was the bush bashing?
The whole US falling into decay after Iraqi, Iranian, and Syrian conquests were mentioned. Thats quasi-Bush bashing.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:13 pm |
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Snrub
Vagina Qwertyuiop
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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lennier wrote: Snrub wrote: Eagle wrote: Not a huge fan of the Bush bashing, but can't discredit the movie ... it was top notch. Throughly enjoyed it. I'm confused, where was the bush bashing? The whole US falling into decay after Iraqi, Iranian, and Syrian conquests were mentioned. Thats quasi-Bush bashing.
Iraq aside (a war which frankly isn't playing into America's favour at the moment), Bush hasn't declared war against any of those as of yet... Do you know something I don't?
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:32 pm |
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zennier
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Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:38 pm Posts: 10316 Location: berkeley
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Snrub wrote: lennier wrote: Snrub wrote: Eagle wrote: Not a huge fan of the Bush bashing, but can't discredit the movie ... it was top notch. Throughly enjoyed it. I'm confused, where was the bush bashing? The whole US falling into decay after Iraqi, Iranian, and Syrian conquests were mentioned. Thats quasi-Bush bashing. Iraq aside (a war which frankly isn't playing into America's favour at the moment), Bush hasn't declared war against any of those as of yet... Do you know something I don't?
The movie takes place in 2020....
... follow me? 
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:36 pm |
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Snrub
Vagina Qwertyuiop
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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lennier wrote: Snrub wrote: lennier wrote: Snrub wrote: Eagle wrote: Not a huge fan of the Bush bashing, but can't discredit the movie ... it was top notch. Throughly enjoyed it. I'm confused, where was the bush bashing? The whole US falling into decay after Iraqi, Iranian, and Syrian conquests were mentioned. Thats quasi-Bush bashing. Iraq aside (a war which frankly isn't playing into America's favour at the moment), Bush hasn't declared war against any of those as of yet... Do you know something I don't? The movie takes place in 2020.... ... follow me? 
Which makes it a futuristic fantasy.
Now, if you're saying that Bush is likely to wage an unwinnable war against Syria and Iran, that results in the creation of a virus that acts as a catalyst for a totalitarian state akin to V For Vendetta (where minorities such as homosexuals, jews and arabs are taken to camps and killed), then I'll buy any claim of Bush bashing. Not only will I buy it, I'll condone it.
As it is, I'll take the film as it's intended. A cautionary tale.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:47 pm |
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Goldie
Forum General
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:38 pm Posts: 7286 Location: TOP*SECRET ******************** ******************** ******************** ********************
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loyalfromlondon wrote: A+
Breathtaking, flawless, disturbing, manic.
and an A***** ( yes that is 5 on top of the A ) review above.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:52 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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lennier wrote: Snrub wrote: lennier wrote: Snrub wrote: Eagle wrote: Not a huge fan of the Bush bashing, but can't discredit the movie ... it was top notch. Throughly enjoyed it. I'm confused, where was the bush bashing? The whole US falling into decay after Iraqi, Iranian, and Syrian conquests were mentioned. Thats quasi-Bush bashing. Iraq aside (a war which frankly isn't playing into America's favour at the moment), Bush hasn't declared war against any of those as of yet... Do you know something I don't? The movie takes place in 2020.... ... follow me? 
"Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind; the thief doth fear each bush an officer." - William Shakespeare (Henry IV, Pt. III)
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:34 am |
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getluv
i break the rules, so i don't care
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 4:28 pm Posts: 20411
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Downgrading to a D+. I'm having trouble remembering what I liked about it.
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:10 pm |
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Borat Hajhasahib
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Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:20 pm Posts: 2
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 Hello, I like movie this one!
Ok, I new for posting, but for movie I pay 95 kalzahkas to watch, I appreciate very much.
Mrs Natalie Portman is very good and I wish to meet her one day.
Also I like Elrond, he play great but crazy man.
What you guys thinking?
Ok, goodbye
Borat.
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:28 pm |
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haerpinot
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:48 pm Posts: 1051
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Pretty entertaining, but I had to eventually ignore all the political mumbo jumbo messages because it was so over-the-top and obvious. As a character V is pretty engaging, and I enjoyed all the scenes with just him and Portman's character, the following ones with her & that guy from work, and that scene with the regretful nurse. Both Portman & Rea have turned in much better performances but they still got the job done well enough. Best scene I thought was the one in the beginning at the tv station, worst scene would be the introduction of V and some near the end I can't really remember. Once Portman's head gets shaved the movie loses a bit of momentum (did we really need the lesbian fairy tale thing?), and I didn't buy the love story angle. It's best we not delve into the last words either, bleh. The ending was a bit ridiculous, but fit with the rest of the movie. Oddly enough, I had to turn my brain off in order to enjoy this film, despite how thought-provoking and etc. so many thought it was. If I focused on that stuff I would have ended up disliking the movie since it was all handled so sloppily, but disregarding all that I got an entertaining, different yet familiar, romp of sorts. overall I give it a B
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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haerpinot wrote: Pretty entertaining, but I had to eventually ignore all the political mumbo jumbo messages because it was so over-the-top and obvious. As a character V is pretty engaging, and I enjoyed all the scenes with just him and Portman's character, the following ones with her & that guy from work, and that scene with the regretful nurse. Both Portman & Rea have turned in much better performances but they still got the job done well enough. Best scene I thought was the one in the beginning at the tv station, worst scene would be the introduction of V and some near the end I can't really remember. Once Portman's head gets shaved the movie loses a bit of momentum (did we really need the lesbian fairy tale thing?), and I didn't buy the love story angle. It's best we not delve into the last words either, bleh. The ending was a bit ridiculous, but fit with the rest of the movie. Oddly enough, I had to turn my brain off in order to enjoy this film, despite how thought-provoking and etc. so many thought it was. If I focused on that stuff I would have ended up disliking the movie since it was all handled so sloppily, but disregarding all that I got an entertaining, different yet familiar, romp of sorts. overall I give it a B
Of all reviews in this thread that I have read so far, yours is the one that pretty much matches my thoughts on the film almost exactly.
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bABA
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:56 am Posts: 30505 Location: Tonight ... YOU!
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 Re: Hello, I like movie this one!
Borat Hajhasahib wrote: Ok, I new for posting, but for movie I pay 95 kalzahkas to watch, I appreciate very much.
Mrs Natalie Portman is very good and I wish to meet her one day.
Also I like Elrond, he play great but crazy man.
What you guys thinking?
Ok, goodbye
Borat.
best post ever
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dot the i
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An exellent film.
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Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:44 am |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:25 pm Posts: 28110 Location: Awaiting my fate
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 Re: Hello, I like movie this one!
bABA wrote: Borat Hajhasahib wrote: Ok, I new for posting, but for movie I pay 95 kalzahkas to watch, I appreciate very much.
Mrs Natalie Portman is very good and I wish to meet her one day.
Also I like Elrond, he play great but crazy man.
What you guys thinking?
Ok, goodbye
Borat. best post ever
Agreed.
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Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:28 am |
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matatonio
Teh Mexican
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:56 pm Posts: 26066 Location: In good ol' Mexico
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Fantastic!
Highly entertaining. The story was very interesting and very well written. Natalie Portman was great, shes becoming one of my favorite actresses, and Hugo Weaving which I had no idea he was V, was excellent
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:10 pm |
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MikeQ.
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I quite enjoyed it. The film is quirky, stylistic and I agree with those that say it really makes you want to stand up and do something. The film moved me, not only emotionally, but it got my mind moving. And it wasn't just all of the philosophy, but the politics and the vision. It is one of the most interesting films I have seen in a while. I feel that the film succeeds because it doesn't try to be a serious "political thriller". V for Vendettea was romantic and quirky and interesting. I actually thought it was much, much different than the Matrix type. I disliked the Matrix trilogy.
The one thing which I can absolutely call brilliant in this film is: Hugo Weaving. He was absolutely phenomenal. For an actor to create such presence completely without facial use is phenomenal. An extremely well done performance. He truly knew how to USE the mask. As an amateur actor, I've studied mask use, and there is more to it than just putting on the mask. I can't stress it enough; great, great work. I can imagine my drama teacher watching the film, and even if hating everything else, she would admire the mask work.
B+/A- (leaning to an A-)
I am undecided, and REFUSE to be persuaded "downwards" by the people here who disown the rest of us for admitting we enjoyed or even loved this film. I say "shoo" to you.
PEACE, Mike.
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
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A movie that skirts greatness but just misses out and ends up mearly being good.
Yes it had some fabulously iconic imagary the destruction of the houses of Parliment for example and coupled with the driven conviction of V for revenge it really is close to perfect but there are some glaring flaws.
The attempt to shoehorn the current American mess in Iraq into the storyline really doesn't work very well. It seems to imply a country resorting to Nuclear and chemical means to acceive its goals which despite the US governments many flaws is quite hard to believe.
Then theres the silly British stock characters that populate far to many Hollywood productions sitting in there chairs drinking tea while uttering bollocks and other stereotypical British mannerisms. They also do this while sat in comfortable houses watching HD TVs of a thinly diguised BBC parody. I really thought dystopia was a little less comfortable then this
Some people say that this movie romanitises terroristm but thankfully on that count its not guilty simple because all V does is blow up buildings with no people in side. Like the IRA destruction of Nelsons column in Dublin its at worst gross vandalism but not terrorist by any means.
However in the end the sheer childish buzz you get from the knife fights people marching on the Parliment the ranting visage of John Hurt the towering 1812 ovature overcomes my doubts and im won over.
V says that ideas are bulletproof and for this movie its an apt line because no matter now flawed certain aspects may be the central span just can't be shot down.
B+
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Snrub
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Then theres the silly British stock characters that populate far to many Hollywood productions sitting in there chairs drinking tea while uttering bollocks and other stereotypical British mannerisms.
Heh, the word "bollocks" was comically overused in the film.
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Tue May 16, 2006 6:30 am |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
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A film that had so much potential and, sadly, falls short. Both thematically and technically it is flawed, leading to a disappointing result. Still, it is decently well-made and intriguing at times, but ultimately it is crushed under the weight of its message. I couldn't help but be reminded of 1984 constantly throughout the film, and kept contrasting this film to the Orwell novel. There is no question in my mind that the novel is far superior - it deals with similar issues in a much more subtle (and effective) manner. There is no superheroes to be found in 1984. Unfortunately, the same can not be said of this film, and that is its downfall.
The basic story is too cliched to really make an impact, and it is even further bogged down by pointless sub-plots (I, like haerpinot, found the 'lesbian fairy tale' to be uttery pointless and do nothing but slow the pace down) and numerous dead ends. Too many questions were left unanswered for the film, and its message, to make a powerful impact. There are some interesting ideas at work here (I liked the notion of the United States being embroiled in a second civil war) but they are poorly handled. The characters are mostly stock heroes or villains (the masked vigilante, the damsel in distress, the cop looking for redemption, the evil dictator) but the actors fill out the roles nicely. Weaving, though we don't see his face, does a great job with the dialogue, and Portman is good. Of the supporting actors, Rea is by far the best, making his character quite believable. All in all, though, the theme of the movie is lost amongst the action scenes and confusing story.
The budget was lower than I would have thought, and it showed on the screen. Some of the visual effects were nice (especially the final shot of the Parliament buildings blowing up) but the sound mixing is simply dreadful, sometimes so bad that you can't hear the actors talk. The directing is merely adequate, and the editing is faulty sometimes. And the action scenes were far too Matrix-y for my liking. Try something new, Wachowskis.
Overall, this was a good film, but something felt off throughout it. I can't put my finger directly on it, but it's "like a splinter in my mind, driving me mad". The acting was good at times and not at others, the dialogue ranged from superb to downright cheesy, and the technicalities of the film wavered horribly. I guess the best word to describe this film is inconsistant. Still, it was well-made and thought-provoking, and that is enough for me to give it a good grade.
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Tue May 30, 2006 12:46 am |
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Dkmuto
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I knew going in it had leanings, but its attempts at being politically subversive were a lot more overt than I expected. It didn't really bother me, though, as it actually felt pretty genuine to me. Whoever called it almost romanticized... right on. And in the end, that's what I think kept the film grounded.
Also just really entertaining.
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Amer
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:35 pm Posts: 1912 Location: Texas
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So I was overseas, and on the plane ride back they had this movie, and I had heard of it so I decided to watch it...1/10 thru, I turn to my mom and tell her turn on this movie, its amazing...I started all over so I could be at the pace with my mom...And at the end...It was an amazing movie...Underrated, and I wish more people would have seen this...The backstory and just the character of V is amazing and so interesting...This is one of those movies that makes you think, and can change you. Great film...V is one of my favorite characters from any movies I've seen. The idea of giving everyone masks and going 2 watch the parliament building...brillaint..loved it...Also, the ending was phenomenal, in my opinion..
A+, 10/10, 5 Stars...Whatever you want to call it...brillaint film.
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Anita Hussein Briem
Yes we can call dibs on the mountain guide
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Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Then theres the silly British stock characters that populate far to many Hollywood productions sitting in there chairs drinking tea while uttering bollocks and other stereotypical British mannerisms. They also do this while sat in comfortable houses watching HD TVs of a thinly diguised BBC parody. I really thought dystopia was a little less comfortable then this
Dystopia can be very comfortable for the conformists. The rest are mercilessly slaughtered. A poignant example is Nazi Germany. I am sure plenty of patriotic Aryans did exactly what the above mentioned Brits did. 
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