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Algren
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I liked the future Sentinels, but it was just that initially I didn't like them because it was not what I had been brought up with. I expected them to look like they did in the animated series, but instead they looked like the The Destroyer from Thor.
But the main problem was that they were too small.
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choubachou
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Algren wrote: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Mostly everything is explained and understood.
B+ Why is Xavier still alive, when he clearly died in X3?
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The Dark Shape
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Because he jumped into another body that looked exactly like him, as clearly shown in X3.
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jmovies
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It's enjoyable and the McAvoy/Fassbender scenes really shine. The story I felt could have been a bit sharper but it doesn't deviate the film's enjoyment.
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Jedi Master Carr
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There is an article on Buzzfeed talking to Kinberg about it. http://www.buzzfeed.com/jacelacob/x-men ... rg-answersHe mentions they tried to come up with an explanation, but realized it would take up too much time and mess up the pacing of the film.
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BJ
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The Dark Shape wrote: Because he jumped into another body that looked exactly like him, as clearly shown in X3. How are people still asking about this, X3 was quite explicit.
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FILMO
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BJ wrote: The Dark Shape wrote: Because he jumped into another body that looked exactly like him, as clearly shown in X3. How are people still asking about this, X3 was quite explicit. Ok hopefully my last stupid question. Is the new body a twinbrother or does the Professor project his face on the new body (or makes the other people think they see the Professor?) I just can not remember that it was said in X-Men 1-3 that there is a copy out there of the Professor.
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Brian
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Xavier's new/old/classic body is the least important factor in DoFP, at least it was somewhat explained in X3 and The Wolverine mid credit scene
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David
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They should just say Xavier possessed Picard and send the fanboys into orgasmic overdrive.
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Algren
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choubachou wrote: Algren wrote: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Mostly everything is explained and understood.
B+ Why is Xavier still alive, when he clearly died in X3? I said 'mostly everything'. But I didn't even think about that. If this is true, then I would prbably downgrade the film. Although I'd have to watch X-Men: The Last Stand again. But I don't think it's too big of a problem. I mean, in a world where time travel and teleportation is possible, a simple resurrection (which has happened in MANY other NON-SCIENCE FICTION movies) should not be a cause for concern.
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Algren
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A 1. X2: X-Men United
B+ 2. X-Men: Days of Future Past 3. X-Men: First Class
B 4. X-Men 5. X-Men: The Last Stand
C+ 6. The Wolverine
D+ 7. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
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Algren
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One day, I still hope they reboot this franchise and learn from their mistakes. The same as The Amazing Spider-Man did. I'd like to see Wolverine with his proper costume and mask on. I'd like to see proper sentinels. I'd like to see all the characters with their proper costumes on.
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Thegun
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Magnus wrote: -Mystique. The film making her the focus just doesn't work. The emotional connection between her and Xavier just isn't strong enough. Oh and Lawerence really should try acting again. She seems to have lost the ability after winning the Oscar.
-Wolverine. All he does is send a message of the future, get Charles to stop taking drugs, and acts as a vessel to Charles to talk to Charles. His role feels so...insignificant. If you actually think about it, Charles and Mystique did not have a single scene together in the original trilogy (She's there when he's drugged by Jason I think is the only one) And he makes the point of how drugged out he was during the time and he never got back to her and maybe himself thought he failed her when she "officially" became mystique as he said. After all in the original timeline she's been captured, tortured for who knows how long before the events of X-Men. She willingly poisons him in the first film, and goes with killing him as well in the 2nd. While I'm not saying it's the best, you can just argue Raven no longer existed. On Wolverine, I loved him in this role. He also finds Quicksilver but I think it was important he didn't overshadow the rest of the cast. Of the main X-Men films Logan is arguably at his best balance. I actually think the friendship between Charles and him is now one of the best of the series, even with Logan and Jean or Rogue. The Charles and Charles scene is of course overshadowed over geekasms, but I think Jackman's acting in that scene with McAvoy is just as impressive. The final scene on the plane as well. There were scenes with him in Mystique that were cut that may have forshadowed the reason she's there at the end as well. I only wish him and Magneto were more as I stated earlier. Finally not having the adamantium could have made for a great fight between them, but I understand them having to remove him from the timeline. (I actually even thought for a second when Magneto first said "So much for surviving," all of the metal was going to rip Logan's organs apart actually killing him. Obviously that would have been insane but dam Fassbender was intense during that scene. As pissed as Logan seemed to be on the last thing he remembered I do hope he has a score to settle. Maybe it would have nice to see McKellen at the mansion at the end as well and he attacks him.
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choubachou
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Algren wrote: choubachou wrote: Algren wrote: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Mostly everything is explained and understood.
B+ Why is Xavier still alive, when he clearly died in X3? I said 'mostly everything'. But I didn't even think about that. If this is true, then I would prbably downgrade the film. Although I'd have to watch X-Men: The Last Stand again. But I don't think it's too big of a problem. I mean, in a world where time travel and teleportation is possible, a simple resurrection (which has happened in MANY other NON-SCIENCE FICTION movies) should not be a cause for concern. I looked around for the answer, and apparently in a post-credits scene in X3, it is revealed that the spirit of Xavier gets into his...... twin brother! So that twin brother is the guy we see in DoFP, while the original Xavier is indeed dead. Man that's even more ridiculous than Xavier resurecting! 
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Passionate Thug
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choubachou wrote: Algren wrote: choubachou wrote: Algren wrote: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Mostly everything is explained and understood.
B+ Why is Xavier still alive, when he clearly died in X3? I said 'mostly everything'. But I didn't even think about that. If this is true, then I would prbably downgrade the film. Although I'd have to watch X-Men: The Last Stand again. But I don't think it's too big of a problem. I mean, in a world where time travel and teleportation is possible, a simple resurrection (which has happened in MANY other NON-SCIENCE FICTION movies) should not be a cause for concern. I looked around for the answer, and apparently in a post-credits scene in X3, it is revealed that the spirit of Xavier gets into his...... twin brother! So that twin brother is the guy we see in DoFP, while the original Xavier is indeed dead. Man that's even more ridiculous than Xavier resurecting!  How is Professor X alive (and still looking like himself)?Jean Grey disintegrates Prof. X in the middle of The Last Stand, but it is set up that he can input his consciousness into another body, which he does during the post-credits scene. And while you don’t see the face of the vegetative coma patient he takes over, how it is that when he wakes up he still looks just like Professor X? Last Stand director Brett Ratner said in the DVD commentary that the man in the coma is Xavier’s twin brother, but Charles never mentions having a sibling in any movie. And even if he did, is his brother also confined to a wheelchair? Did he take a bullet for Magneto’s twin? Good articles that summarizes the worst continuity issues https://www.yahoo.com/movies/6-major-co ... 63567.htmlhttp://www.slashfilm.com/five-big-conti ... ture-past/http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/x-men-d ... t-answered
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Algren
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I never knew any of this. If it's true, it's one of the worst plot decisions I've ever seen. Perhaps Days of Future Past simply ignores everything in The Last Stand. It may have done. There is nothing linking the films.
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Thegun
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Well in reality juggernaut is also Xavier's brother which they also ignore in x3. Kinberg states he had ideas to explain it but it just bogged the story down. One of Xavier's powers is he can just put his face and voice over anyone. Considering this movie about transferring someone's consciousness is a reasonable leap that that's what Xavier did. Another was that Xavier's kind was without a body, but there are mutants out there that can reconstitute matter. They Also left out Xavier and magnetos final mission to save rogue in this film. They were hellbent on keeping the future aspect of the story on the problem at hand.
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Passionate Thug
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Quote: Aren't you just nitpicking? Can't you just enjoy the film? Why doesn't this even matter?
Hey, I read comics. I've mastered nitpicking and enjoying myself at the same time.
But more seriously, here's the thing about continuity. It applies to comics, and it increasingly applies to film sagas with seven sequels too. And the thing is this: if you want what happens in your films to matter, you have to pretend that there's something at stake.
This is something Marvel Studios understands. In building a world of multiple interconnected franchises, the events in one are reflected in another. Tony Stark didn't HAVE to have PTSD in Iron Man 3. He didn't HAVE to mention that he stopped an alien invasion. But the fact that he did? That's what convinces us these characters are able to grow and change. It's what gives the story weight. It invests us in the events that are happening.
And while this might seem like a nerdish desire for consistency, it's really not. It's the desire for the experience of watching a film to be as good as it can be. Bad continuity distracts you from what's actually happening on screen. It's not that it particularly matters how Professor X came back to life - it's that they didn't acknowledge it at all. If, in his first scene of DOFP, Professor X had said to Wolverine something like "I've died before, it's not necessarily the end" or "I've come back from worse", that would've been enough. Enough for the filmmakers to say "yes, we know he was dead, and now he isn't. But we needed him alive, so let's move on."
By NOT acknowledging the past, the filmmakers leave the audience preoccupied and confused. We're waiting for an explanation that isn't coming, instead of investing in the story we're watching. It sets a precedent that essentially stops filmmakers from engaging their audiences. Because if people are watching the X-Men films for the characters, and what happens to those characters doesn't stick from one movie to the next, it doesn't matter if we miss one.
And I'm no movie producer, but teaching audiences they can miss films? That seems like a bad idea to me. Read more: http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/x-men-d ... z32qBpxihX
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FILMO
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAIITTTTT When I read that quote from Passionate They do never mention the comeback of Xavier in DOFP OR the other characters are confused? I mean the twin brother thing is already hard to swallow.
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Brian
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People are digging too much on this Prof Xavier resurection, at least there are some vague references Someone better explain how Logan got his metal claws back after the events of The Wolverine? Does Magneto have something to do with it? 
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Bradley Witherberry
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I liked X-Men: Days Of Future Past, I just found it rather dull.
The story was reasonably good and the time travel logic was better than average. I was irritated that they couldn't have devised bigger roles for Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, instead of them just standing around as bookends.
I wish there could have been more mutant merriment like that boffo Quicksilver scene at the Pentagon - - that was aces!
4 out of 5.
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Brian
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I'm surprised Bradley liked this 
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Mon May 26, 2014 8:42 pm |
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Algren
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But he really didn't enjoy it that much. It's hard for Bradley recently because it opened high but you can already tell that it's not going to do amazing numbers. So it's part success, part disappointment, so those middle-grounders always get a middle-grade of "4 out of 5" from our resident contrarian.
If it had completely tanked, you can bet your bottom dollar that Bradley would have posted a ridiculous "827 out of 5", and if it had out-opened The Dark Knight, an "0.234 out of 5" would have been gleefully stated.
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Tue May 27, 2014 12:22 am |
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Algren
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I am going to see X-Men: Days of Future Past again tonight. I enjoyed it very much and would like to go over it one more time.
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Shack
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The good: X-Men's most unique strength among superhero movies, is it can pull off intensity and brooding and it does that well here. Scenes like the Charles to Charles were great and Fassbender's intensity F-ing everyone up is just great.
The bad: Very disappointing screenplay. Other than clunky dialog half the time, how Charles-Eric-Mystique plot mixes with Wolverine, does not work. Wolverine is a henchman in this movie, he barely has any personal journey or reflection at all. This is the most boring he's ever been used and they could've sent back someone like Storm or old Charles/Magneto to mix it up from another fk'ing Wolverine movie. As for Charles and company, that back from quitting arc and stopping the Mystique-Trask clash, could've been the First Class sequel's plot without time travel. The end result of Wolverine being put in this movie is there's not enough time or energy spent on maximizing the Charles, Eric and Mystique emotional conflict.
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