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What grade would you give this film?
A 15%  15%  [ 7 ]
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I wasn't a fan of Bond until Casino Royale either. CR was a masterpiece; this was barely passable.


From one Yorke fan to another, can I ask what Bond films had you seen prior to Casino Royale?


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In full:

From Russia with Love
Goldfinger
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Live and Let Die
The Spy Who Loved Me
Moonraker
The Living Daylights
Licence to Kill
GoldenEye
Tomorrow Never Dies
The World Is Not Enough
Die Another Day

I enjoyed most of them (with the notable exception of Die Another Day, which I LOATHED). So I didn't have anything against Bond before Casino Royale. It's just I loved Casino Royale so much I was actively anticipating QoS.

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The Dark Knight wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:
I wasn't a fan of Bond until Casino Royale either. CR was a masterpiece; this was barely passable.


From one Yorke fan to another, can I ask what Bond films had you seen prior to Casino Royale?

...I still conclude based on our 1:1 conversation about Bond that your opinions on Casino Royale are so weird and baseless that they cannot be depended upon :)


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I know Ebert has lost much of his edge but this review is spot on

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OK, I'll say it. Never again. Don't ever let this happen again to James Bond. "Quantum of Solace" is his 22nd film and he will survive it, but for the 23rd it is necessary to go back to the drawing board and redesign from the ground up. Please understand: James Bond is not an action hero! He is too good for that. He is an attitude. Violence for him is an annoyance. He exists for the foreplay and the cigarette. He rarely encounters a truly evil villain. More often a comic opera buffoon with hired goons in matching jump suits.

"Quantum of Solace" has the worst title in the series save for "Never Say Never Again," words that could have been used by Kent after King Lear utters the saddest line in all of Shakespeare: "Never! Never! Never! Never! Never!" The movie opens with Bond involved in a reckless car chase on the tollway that leads through mountain tunnels from Nice through Monte Carlo and down to Portofino in Italy, where Edward Lear lies at rest with his cat, Old Foss. I have driven that way many a time. It is a breathtaking drive.

You won't find that out here. The chase, with Bond under constant machinegun fire, is so quickly cut and so obviously composed of incomprehensible CGI that we're essentially looking at bright colors bouncing off each other, intercut with Bond at the wheel and POV shots of approaching monster trucks. Let's all think together. When has an action hero ever, even once, been killed by machinegun fire, no matter how many hundreds of rounds? The hit men should simply reject them and say, "No can do, Boss. They never work in this kind of movie."

The chase has no connection to the rest of plot, which is routine for Bond, but it's about the movie's last bow to tradition. In "Quantum of Solace" he will share no cozy quality time with the Bond girl (Olga Kurylenko). We fondly remember the immortal names of Pussy Galore, Xenia Onatopp and Plenty O'Toole, who I have always suspected was a drag queen. In this film, who do we get? Are you ready for this? Camille. That's it. Camille. Not even Camille Squeal. Or Cammy Miami. Or Miss O'Toole's friend Cam Shaft.

Daniel Craig remains a splendid Bond, one of the best. He is handsome, agile, muscular, dangerous. Everything but talkative. I didn't count, but I think M (Judi Dench) has more dialogue than 007. Bond doesn't look like the urge to peel Camille has even entered his mind. He blows up a hotel in the middle of a vast, barren, endless Bolivian desert. It's a luxury hotel, with angular W Hotel-style minimalist room furniture you might cut your legs on, and a bartender who will stir or shake you any drink, but James has become a regular bloke who orders lager. Who are the clients at this highest of high-end hotels? Lawrence of Arabia, obviously, and millionaires who hate green growing things. Conveniently, when the hotel blows up, the filmmakers don't have to contend with adjacent buildings, traffic, pedestrians, skylines or anything else. Talk about your blue screen. Nothing better than the azure desert sky.

Why is he in Bolivia? In pursuit of a global villain, whose name is not Goldfinger, Scaramanga, Drax or Le Chiffre, but ... Dominic Greene (Mathieu Amalric). What is Dominic's demented scheme to control the globe? As a start, the fiend desires to corner the water supply of ... Bolivia. Ohooo! Nooo! This twisted design, revealed to Bond after at least an hour of death-defying action, reminds me of the famous laboratory mouse who was introduced into a labyrinth. After fighting his way for days through baffling corridors and down dead ends, finally, finally, parched and starving, the little creature crawled at last to the training button and hurled his tiny body against it. And what rolled down the chute as his reward? A licorice gum ball.

Dominic Greene lacks a headquarters on the moon, or on the floor of the sea. He operates out of an ordinary shipping warehouse with loading docks. His evil transport is provided by fork lifts and pickup trucks. Bond doesn't have to creep out on the ledge of an underground volcano to spy on him. He just walks up to the chain-link fence and peers through. Greene could get useful security tips from Wal-Mart.

There is no Q in "Quantum of Solace," except in the title. No Miss Moneypenny at all. M now has a male secretary. That Judi Dench, what a fox. Bond doesn't even size her up. He learned his lesson with Plenty. This Bond, he doesn't bring much to the party. Daniel Craig can play suave and he can be funny and Brits are born doing double entendre. Craig is a fine actor. Here they lock him down. I repeat: James Bond is not an action hero! Leave the action to your Jason Bournes. This is a swampy old world. The deeper we sink in, the more we need James Bond to stand above it.


He exists for the Foreplay and the cigarette.. Finally someone gets IT.. That's what BOND is supposed to be: The women, the sexual harrassment type of foreplay, the Martini's, the gadgets and goddamn for the love of God: "Q".. Ebert is right and it seems the makers of this BOND series is too politically correct about the whole thing.. Everything I've lsited is all the right ingredients to make a damn good BOND movie and there missing this..


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Not bad, but its not Bond, either.


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See people, even the great Dolce knows the score.


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Damnit people.

It's the origin of Bond. Are you seriously not paying attention?!

CR was his shell being shattered. QoS is him getting revenge and becoming BOND as we know him.

Sure, it wasn't a "Bond" movie, but it's leading into, what will potentially be, the best Bond we will ever see. It's all set up. Pretty much the best Bond actor, agreed by most. Had two movies to trial and error with.

As a stand alone Bond movie, it was ok. But it was NOT a stand alone movie. It was a direct sequel. And for being a sequel, it was AWESOME.

B-, 8.1/10, for stand alone. A, 9.4/10, for being a sequel.

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It's a pretty good action movie. Casino Royale's a better Bond movie.


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I liked Casion Royale much more

hm....worst Bond Intro ever in Quantum of Solance?

The song did soooooo not fit the visuals on the screen.......please you wannabe gangstas out there......leave Bond alone thx.


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Seeing the beautiful shadow of that sexy woman body......and then you have Alica Keys and Dick whatever screaming "oohohoohoohohhoo"....its so bullshit!

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I haven't bothered seeing it yet. I broke a tradition of over 30 years of seeing the new Bond film opening night when I skipped this. It's not Bond anymore. :(


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I haven't bothered seeing it yet. I broke a tradition of over 30 years of seeing the new Bond film opening night when I skipped this. It's not Bond anymore. :(

I share your pain, Bond-Brother! :tears:


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Damnit people.

It's the origin of Bond. Are you seriously not paying attention?!

CR was his shell being shattered. QoS is him getting revenge and becoming BOND as we know him.

Sure, it wasn't a "Bond" movie, but it's leading into, what will potentially be, the best Bond we will ever see. It's all set up. Pretty much the best Bond actor, agreed by most. Had two movies to trial and error with.


All of that is very nice and i do understand its the origin, but still, its hard to imagine Bond ever gong back to how we was after all this shit. Its all a matter of preference of course...

The best "Bond" actor was never this radically different though. All other Bonds has been slightly different then Connery, but never this similar to Jason Bourne. As i say in my review, in a time where "dark" is the new in thing in movies, why can't Bond stay with what has worked for him over the past 45 years.

It's not necessarily Craig and the new dark Bond that is bringing in all the audiences... Brosnan's movies got bigger every time, so i actually think the last one would have been bigger than Royale if he was in it.

I just wish they use a different name or 008, or something, because the latest Bond movie is NOT a Bond movie...

Here's my review if you wish to understand more of my feelings on the film.

http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2008/11/18/newest-bond-misses-its-mark/


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I wonder if will ever see a BOND movie that's like BOND 90210 like there doing with STAR TREK with making all the characters teenagers??


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I just wish they use a different name or 008, or something, because the latest Bond movie is NOT a Bond movie...

That's a great idea - - the producer's could have spun off a new movie series... 008: Action Guy, and let James Bond remain 007 - - that way both the neofanboys and the mature Bond fans could both be happy!


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No one complained, oh wait many people did when Roger Moore acted exactly as he did in the Saint. That was not James Bond either, but it was popular with the general movie audience at the time. Can anyone seriously say Moore didn't play S, much like Jason Bourne and realism in espionage is now. The film will handily be the biggest James Bond movie ever and past even the trend setter of Bourne. The general audience is most important here, and they love the new Bond, and he's not really that new, just bored o doing the shit over and over. TMD, WINE,DAD, were all shit and mediocre at best. Casino Royale and QOS were more different and are now developed which means that the next Bond at least has the opportunity to be much different. Face it, Bond is much more intense and interesting or at least a decade.

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Face it, Bond is much more intense and interesting or at least a decade.


A nice response to these types of apologists, from a review by Rob Gonsalves:

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With 2006's Casino Royale and now Quantum of Solace, which is more like Casino Royale Vol. 2, we get a grim, stripped-down Bond (Daniel Craig). As many have pointed out, the Bond series has rebooted by imitating one of its own imitators, the Bourne series with Matt Damon. Where's the fun in that? Where's the escapism, the ludicrous plots, the stunts that prompt gasps and laughter? Recasting Bond as a gritty football hooligan in a suit is like performing Wagner with a symphony of kazoos.

This Bond kills assassins by stabbing them in the leg, then shuffling away with a scowl; Sean Connery was no less brutal, but somehow added suavity and humor to the violence.


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Thegun wrote:
Face it, Bond is much more intense and interesting or at least a decade.


A nice response to these types of apologists, from a review by Rob Gonsalves:

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With 2006's Casino Royale and now Quantum of Solace, which is more like Casino Royale Vol. 2, we get a grim, stripped-down Bond (Daniel Craig). As many have pointed out, the Bond series has rebooted by imitating one of its own imitators, the Bourne series with Matt Damon. Where's the fun in that? Where's the escapism, the ludicrous plots, the stunts that prompt gasps and laughter? Recasting Bond as a gritty football hooligan in a suit is like performing Wagner with a symphony of kazoos.

This Bond kills assassins by stabbing them in the leg, then shuffling away with a scowl; Sean Connery was no less brutal, but somehow added suavity and humor to the violence.


I still dont see the relation, I fucking despise the Bourne films, but Loved Casino Royale and Liked Quantam of Solace quite a bit. I really don't see anything similiar between the two, except the fact that they are realer. But I'm sure the Moore and Connery films were realer when The Soviet Union was still a threat.

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Bradley Witherberry wrote:
A nice response to these types of apologists, from a review by Rob Gonsalves:

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Recasting Bond as a gritty football hooligan in a suit is like performing Wagner with a symphony of kazoos.

By comparison Pierce Brosnan driving his invisible car in Die Another Day was like David Helfgott playing Mozart. Damn Daniel Craig et al for turning Bond into a laughing stock!


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Thegun wrote:
Face it, Bond is much more intense and interesting or at least a decade.


A nice response to these types of apologists, from a review by Rob Gonsalves:

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With 2006's Casino Royale and now Quantum of Solace, which is more like Casino Royale Vol. 2, we get a grim, stripped-down Bond (Daniel Craig). As many have pointed out, the Bond series has rebooted by imitating one of its own imitators, the Bourne series with Matt Damon. Where's the fun in that? Where's the escapism, the ludicrous plots, the stunts that prompt gasps and laughter? Recasting Bond as a gritty football hooligan in a suit is like performing Wagner with a symphony of kazoos.

This Bond kills assassins by stabbing them in the leg, then shuffling away with a scowl; Sean Connery was no less brutal, but somehow added suavity and humor to the violence.


I still dont see the relation, I fucking despise the Bourne films, but Loved Casino Royale and Liked Quantam of Solace quite a bit. I really don't see anything similiar between the two, except the fact that they are realer. But I'm sure the Moore and Connery films were realer when The Soviet Union was still a threat.

The shaky cam aesthetic.

The cold, heartless assassin.

The politically relevant and down-to-earth plots.

I love the Bourne films, as they're great at what they do. QoS suffers from trying to land halfway in between the Bond and Bourne formulas, and ultimately succeeds at neither.

Also, realer isn't a word.

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He's not cold and heartless though. Did you even pay attention to the movie?

And shaky cam isn't a bourne trait... it's a recent action movie trait. It did fall victim to that.

I kinda would prefer a down-to-earth plot... rather than an Austin Powers-esque plot like the late Bond movies had.

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He's not cold and heartless though. Did you even pay attention to the movie

The scene where he stabs the guy in the throat and waits for him to die begs to differ.

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Cold and heartless is not a correct description.

Revenge-ful.

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Let me clarify. The acts he does are cold and heartless ACTS. But he is FAR from cold and heartless.

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Face it, Bond is much more intense and interesting or at least a decade.


or...

general moviegoing audiences are easily manipulated.


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Thegun wrote:
Face it, Bond is much more intense and interesting or at least a decade.


or...

general moviegoing audiences are easily manipulated.


Or older audiences are getting too stupid to realize Bond can't stay boring anymore.

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