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What grade would you give this film?
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I thought it was that Cobb wanted to see his children again. Saito said he could make a phone call to make this happen.

This IDEA then acted like a PARASITE (ideas can grow in peoples mind, can consume them, they are the most infectious parasite -- the movie makes this point over and over).

Somehow, that idea became an INCEPTION for Cobb, so he made it a reality in limbo.

I have detailed my thoughts on my interpretation of the film on other threads (giving my explanation of the end scene).


interesting point that still contradicts what Cobb is trying to achieve throughout the film on a mental level.

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What he thinks he is trying to achieve.

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best last shot ever!

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SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS (obviously) ABOUT THE FILM'S ENDING. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN CAUTION.

I love this video of some audience reacting to the end of the film.



My audience was EXACTLY the same thing. An enormous collective groan of knowing laughter then appreciative applause immediately afterward.



Just got back from my screening and it was the same way. Usually when I see a movie the audience is pretty quiet at the end but that was hands down the strongest reaction to a final shot I've ever witnessed. Everyone groaned, then began laughing, cheering, and clapping. I think I was doing all three myself. :funny:

The first 20 minutes or so of this film are all the proof we need that it was total carte blanche for Nolan. No way in hell a studio would normally let a director start a huge budget film in such a confusing manner. I kept thinking throughout the movie, "Why did it start like that?" and the answer at the end was incredible. It's a risky move though. It can be a complete turnoff for some viewers when a movie starts like that. If you lose interest early on, the payoff at the end is useless. That's why I suspect some people are hating it so strongly and claiming there's no emotion (even though there's a shitload at the end).


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Marion Cotillard's work here is wrenching; she has to play both a femme fatale of sorts and the object of intense guilt and grief, pulling off both with aplomb.


Honestly, I don't see how anyone can watch the...

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...suicide scene and the moments where Cobb finally decides he must let her go in the dream world...


...and still think this film has no emotion. WTF were they watching? Page's character also has a lot of emotional engagement with Cobb's journey.


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The two main emotional scenes, imo are:
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Marion is simply an astounding actress IMHO. I really loved Leo's interaction with her too. They didn't have much screentime together but it was powerful stuff.


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Marion is is fantastic in this. She gave one of the best performance as a femme fatale.

Really, the only faults I have with the film was the action sequences in the snow. They were just average IMO (though I did love when they had the camera as the scope in Leo's sniper as it reminded me of Call of Duty). Oh, and the one shot of Leo and Ellen walking up the streets of Paris. It was the one time where the CGI was weak.

Every other action sequence and CGI shot was great. The zero gravity is already one of my favorite action sequences of all time, and the first level action sequences had great shootouts and chases.


I had a huge grin on my face during the Paris scene, zero-g scene(s), and some of the photography of the mountains was breathtaking in IMAX.


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The setting of the third level is very cool and I love all the snow outfits they wore. Just the sequences themselves were average.

The zero gravity scene was just cinematic bliss.


The camerawork for Nolan's action scenes isn't that great. It's just a general flaw in his filmmaking style. He's in the Greengrass mold, although not as good at the quick cuts as Greengrass.


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I have to say looking back on the trailers is awesome now. They gave away the movie without giving it away. "What is the most resilient parasite?"


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no decision on my grade yet but i was somewhat underwhelmed, particularly because all the cool shots were in the ads w/o much new visual shots not already shown...a thats it? feeling after the film in regard to execution and visuals even tho the ideas in the movie are interesting...basically screenplay>>>direction

as for my interpretation of the story...every single scene in the movie is a dream...basically the only "real" thing in the movie was his wife, the rest were all fantasy manifestations of leo's...the wife was his only connection to reality and thus was an obstacle to his fantasy dream world...in fact his wife may be the one purposelly trying to plant inception into leo to try to get him to get out but gives up in the end because she realizes leo can only be happy when he finally lets go the part of him pulling him to return to the real world so he can now permanently stay within his own fantasy world without awareness that it's not real

everything the wife said is "true" including her jumping to her death is her only way to return the real world..and the fact that she recognizes ellen page and says she's not supposed to be there is important because it means ellen page is not some unique character but actually someone with some kind of important connection (of which i'm not too sure yet), whether it is the younger version of herself or maybe some manifestation of leo's alter ego subconcious foil that is spying on her to try to defeat her/awareness of reality to be able to create the perfect fantasy dream without supposed to have awareness of the wife/idea that the dream world is not real.


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no decision on my grade yet but i was somewhat underwhelmed, particularly because all the cool shots were in the ads w/o much new visual shots not already shown...a thats it? feeling after the film in regard to execution and visuals even tho the ideas in the movie are interesting...basically screenplay>>>direction

as for my interpretation of the story...every single scene in the movie is a dream...basically the only "real" thing in the movie was his wife, the rest were all fantasy manifestations of leo's...the wife was his only connection to reality and thus was an obstacle to his fantasy dream world...in fact his wife may be the one purposelly trying to plant inception into leo to try to get him to get out but gives up in the end because she realizes leo can only be happy when he finally lets go the part of him pulling him to return to the real world so he can now permanently stay within his own fantasy world without awareness that it's not real

everything the wife said is "true" including her jumping to her death is her only way to return the real world..and the fact that she recognizes ellen page and says she's not supposed to be there is important because it means ellen page is not some unique character but actually someone with some kind of important connection (of which i'm not too sure yet), whether it is the younger version of herself or maybe some manifestation of leo's alter ego subconcious foil that is spying on her to try to defeat her/awareness of reality to be able to create the perfect fantasy dream without supposed to have awareness of the wife/idea that the dream world is not real.


I'm really really really really confident the entire film was not a dream.


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no decision on my grade yet but i was somewhat underwhelmed, particularly because all the cool shots were in the ads w/o much new visual shots not already shown...a thats it? feeling after the film in regard to execution and visuals even tho the ideas in the movie are interesting...basically screenplay>>>direction

as for my interpretation of the story...every single scene in the movie is a dream...basically the only "real" thing in the movie was his wife, the rest were all fantasy manifestations of leo's...the wife was his only connection to reality and thus was an obstacle to his fantasy dream world...in fact his wife may be the one purposelly trying to plant inception into leo to try to get him to get out but gives up in the end because she realizes leo can only be happy when he finally lets go the part of him pulling him to return to the real world so he can now permanently stay within his own fantasy world without awareness that it's not real

everything the wife said is "true" including her jumping to her death is her only way to return the real world..and the fact that she recognizes ellen page and says she's not supposed to be there is important because it means ellen page is not some unique character but actually someone with some kind of important connection (of which i'm not too sure yet), whether it is the younger version of herself or maybe some manifestation of leo's alter ego subconcious foil that is spying on her to try to defeat her/awareness of reality to be able to create the perfect fantasy dream without supposed to have awareness of the wife/idea that the dream world is not real.


I'm really really really really confident the entire film was not a dream.

+1, 100% sure it was not all a dream.

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Nolan opens the movie with Dom in Level 4. Not only that, but immediately after we get a two-level dream sequence. There's the tainting of Mal's totem by Dom taking it for himself. I think the dream/real world is blurred from the very beginning. After a second viewing, I am leaning towards that the inception was real and he gets his life back. But I think it doesn't matter. Someone said it somewhere... what matters is that Dom gets his life back whether it be real or in dream.


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Level 5, I believe.

Also, I highly disagree with Magnus. The snow scene was fantastic, maybe my favorite part. My heart was beating the whole time.

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So my full review (minor spoilers):

Inception isn't the best sci/fi action film ever made but it's certainly the best of this year. Like Christopher Nolan's Memento, this was a rare film experience that never ever ever ever took away a second of my attention because of three reasons.

1. Engaging and mysterious plot - Dreams within dreams is a concept we've never seen before in blockbusters and some details of the story are not easy to follow but that thing only raised my interest rather than reduce them. Even after second viewing, my urge to see it again is still there.
2. Beautiful visuals and action scenes - As a sucker for action, what could have been the greatest action scene ever in film is a zero gravity fight sequence in Cobb/Mal's dream world with all the buildings getting destroyed in slow-mo. However, I can't not be very satisfied with those shots of Paris folding and JGL's fight sequence. Cobb/Mal's dream world would be a place I would want to be in someday with someone.
3. Characters to care about - Cobb and Mal can be as effective as they can get in terms of emotion (the shots when they got old had me tearing up) but Ariadne is my favorite. Her desperate effort to help Cobb fix his troubles made her standout amongst the others. The rest of the supporting characters were great, still.

Overall - It's still significantly behind these films but if Spielberg has Jurassic Park and Kubrick has 2001, Nolan has Inception.

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Question....When watching was anyone really thinking about the dream/real world question???? I know I was so caught up in it that I took what the movie gave us....there were in the dream world, trying to get back to the real world at the end.


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Why are you trying to justify, in your opinion, the film's flaws Magnus?

I myself don't see them as flaws but I think it's kind of dumb to point out flaws only to try and justify why they aren't flaws.

Either you like it or you don't-no use putting an 'A' just because you were hyped up and it didn't meet your expectations and trying to justify why it deserves an A publicly or whatever it is you are doing.

Anyway, fucking brilliant from Nolan and his best movie yet. The Dark Knight holds no candle to this even as a blockbuster.

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BJ wrote:
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no decision on my grade yet but i was somewhat underwhelmed, particularly because all the cool shots were in the ads w/o much new visual shots not already shown...a thats it? feeling after the film in regard to execution and visuals even tho the ideas in the movie are interesting...basically screenplay>>>direction

as for my interpretation of the story...every single scene in the movie is a dream...basically the only "real" thing in the movie was his wife, the rest were all fantasy manifestations of leo's...the wife was his only connection to reality and thus was an obstacle to his fantasy dream world...in fact his wife may be the one purposelly trying to plant inception into leo to try to get him to get out but gives up in the end because she realizes leo can only be happy when he finally lets go the part of him pulling him to return to the real world so he can now permanently stay within his own fantasy world without awareness that it's not real

everything the wife said is "true" including her jumping to her death is her only way to return the real world..and the fact that she recognizes ellen page and says she's not supposed to be there is important because it means ellen page is not some unique character but actually someone with some kind of important connection (of which i'm not too sure yet), whether it is the younger version of herself or maybe some manifestation of leo's alter ego subconcious foil that is spying on her to try to defeat her/awareness of reality to be able to create the perfect fantasy dream without supposed to have awareness of the wife/idea that the dream world is not real.


I'm really really really really confident the entire film was not a dream.

+1, 100% sure it was not all a dream.


The OP makes no sense at all.

I don't even intend to argue it because I remember you once thought HTTYD BO gross would not be disappointing if it outgrossed all dragon movies.

But to tackle the whole ending sequence that most people touch upon, it, I think, is clearly not a dream.

The top wobbles as people have said, the children age, those are clues in itself.

What kind of question is how can Saito get back Leo's life? It is made immensely clear from the beginning that Saito is a powerful man and he like Fischer has dream protection.

The people hunting Leo in Kenya (Mosamba?) were from the company he and JGL were working for not the government, and why would the government be hunting him anyway?

He couldn't return to America because he had no connections to anyone that could overturn his implications.

Also, the Mal is the realist and Leo the one stuck in a dream world doesn't work because it was Leo that planted the thought in her head that killed her. The thought is a recurrence, as the movie makes clear about the characteristics of an idea. Leo planted a thought that would never satisfy Mal because any dream she entered or woke up from she would still think is a dream.

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I've read an interpreation of the film that makes me even love it more:

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Keep in mind that a movie, especially a movie like this, must do a number of things well in order to accomplish the goal of closing up all story arcs, including subtle ones. Nothing in the story is presented solely for character development or to understand the background and motivations, but also to set up the ultimate closer of all open loops.

1. Ariadne peeks into Cobb's psyche before the multi-level job began. This allowed her a chance to peek into Cobb's mind, memories and dream themes.

2. She was the main character who was given a CLUE as to what Cobbs used to judge reality or not (not JUST the totem). We are never shown any other characters being given knowledge that he spun it and would wait to see if it stopped spinning or not. As a comparison, we see 2 other characters' totems - Arthur's die and Ariadne' chess piece. BUT, we are never shown how they judge the totems, only what they are. In one scene, Cobbs actually tells Ariadne how he uses the totem.

3. We are shown how Arthur teaches Ariadne the trick of closing the maze, which fools the subconscious of the sleeper's into perceiving the dream as real for much longer. We're then later shown a scene where Arthur uses this trick against a subconscious security agent within a staircase BUT that is just misdirection to make us believe that's the only place it's used. In actuality, it's used again by Ariadne (as I'll explain in a bit).

4. Adriane is the ONLY character in the levels who has SEEN Cobb's 4th level. That means there is NO WAY Saito could perceive that level.

In the final scene, mirroring the initial opening scene, the main difference is that the spinning top is not focused on. Ariadne's character knew EVERYTHING that needed to be known to ensure that Cobb gained an inception. She, in the end, established the ultimate inception, even greater then the inception perpetrated by all the characters onto Fischer, and ultimately an inception of the movie audience. She got Cobbs to believe he made it back up all levels and into reality when, in fact, she designed a closed loop to cause him to believe he's shot back up to reality when in fact he's probably gone even one level deeper into limbo - a limbo where he can finally let go of his guilt and see his children. It was a way to provide him a "happy ending" if by chance he got swallowed up by his own deep psyche.

This is reaffirmed by the initial scene with Cobbs asking her to design a maze for him, and FURTHER reaffirmed by the emphasis to ensure the audience knows that Cobbs NEVER wants to know the architecture of the architect's designs. If the movie did not emphasize the importance of that, it would most definitely crush the possibility of the end having the possibility that Cobbs was deeper into limbo, let alone be ambiguous.


I need to see it again to determine if this holds up, but I'm liking that theory as of now.



This is a good theory and probably the only one that can possibly challenge my belief that he ends up in reality.

I know from Memento that Nolan drops clues that are ambiguous throughout that leaves it open-ended but he also said that there are enough clues for you to perceive the 'real' ending and I think that stumble of the top is proof enough, being that, it has never done that in his previous dreams.

The speech he gives Mal also affirms this because he will sooner or later discover Page's dream trap. In fact, everything from when they enter Leo's limbo from Aames' dream is important. His father is also not part of the dream because his father DOES see Leo's kids.

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Why are you trying to justify, in your opinion, the film's flaws Magnus?

I myself don't see them as flaws but I think it's kind of dumb to point out flaws only to try and justify why they aren't flaws.

Either you like it or you don't-no use putting an 'A' just because you were hyped up and it didn't meet your expectations and trying to justify why it deserves an A publicly or whatever it is you are doing.

Anyway, fucking brilliant from Nolan and his best movie yet. The Dark Knight holds no candle to this even as a blockbuster.


Huh? No film is perfect (except maybe one). I was just pointing out areas where I felt Inception wasn't extraordinary. And I'm not justifying these faults, I'm just saying they exist.


I was talking about a few posts on page 2. They just seem contradictory that's all.

The talk about characters mostly.

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Fantastic film. I liked it more than TDK. I have to see it at least twice more before I rate it above or below Memento. For a movie that is 2hrs 40 minutes long the movie moves at a furious pace. I think Leo anchored the film brilliantly. It required an actor and star to play the lead. I am confident he gets a BA nominee. Other cast members were good within limitations of the characters. its also one of the best edited films. Action was good but not out of the world.

I cant think of a theater experience that blew my mind as much as inception since Total Recall in my teens(now that movie looks over the top).

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Anyway, fucking brilliant from Nolan and his best movie yet. The Dark Knight holds no candle to this even as a blockbuster.


Have to agree here. Even the acting was better than TDK, especially at the end with Leo and Marion. Holy crap. The more we found out about their backstory, the more heartbreaking it was. The acting was phenomenal during those scenes.


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Magception wrote:
I've read an interpreation of the film that makes me even love it more:

Spoiler: show
Keep in mind that a movie, especially a movie like this, must do a number of things well in order to accomplish the goal of closing up all story arcs, including subtle ones. Nothing in the story is presented solely for character development or to understand the background and motivations, but also to set up the ultimate closer of all open loops.

1. Ariadne peeks into Cobb's psyche before the multi-level job began. This allowed her a chance to peek into Cobb's mind, memories and dream themes.

2. She was the main character who was given a CLUE as to what Cobbs used to judge reality or not (not JUST the totem). We are never shown any other characters being given knowledge that he spun it and would wait to see if it stopped spinning or not. As a comparison, we see 2 other characters' totems - Arthur's die and Ariadne' chess piece. BUT, we are never shown how they judge the totems, only what they are. In one scene, Cobbs actually tells Ariadne how he uses the totem.

3. We are shown how Arthur teaches Ariadne the trick of closing the maze, which fools the subconscious of the sleeper's into perceiving the dream as real for much longer. We're then later shown a scene where Arthur uses this trick against a subconscious security agent within a staircase BUT that is just misdirection to make us believe that's the only place it's used. In actuality, it's used again by Ariadne (as I'll explain in a bit).

4. Adriane is the ONLY character in the levels who has SEEN Cobb's 4th level. That means there is NO WAY Saito could perceive that level.

In the final scene, mirroring the initial opening scene, the main difference is that the spinning top is not focused on. Ariadne's character knew EVERYTHING that needed to be known to ensure that Cobb gained an inception. She, in the end, established the ultimate inception, even greater then the inception perpetrated by all the characters onto Fischer, and ultimately an inception of the movie audience. She got Cobbs to believe he made it back up all levels and into reality when, in fact, she designed a closed loop to cause him to believe he's shot back up to reality when in fact he's probably gone even one level deeper into limbo - a limbo where he can finally let go of his guilt and see his children. It was a way to provide him a "happy ending" if by chance he got swallowed up by his own deep psyche.

This is reaffirmed by the initial scene with Cobbs asking her to design a maze for him, and FURTHER reaffirmed by the emphasis to ensure the audience knows that Cobbs NEVER wants to know the architecture of the architect's designs. If the movie did not emphasize the importance of that, it would most definitely crush the possibility of the end having the possibility that Cobbs was deeper into limbo, let alone be ambiguous.


I need to see it again to determine if this holds up, but I'm liking that theory as of now.



This is a good theory and probably the only one that can possibly challenge my belief that he ends up in reality.

I know from Memento that Nolan drops clues that are ambiguous throughout that leaves it open-ended but he also said that there are enough clues for you to perceive the 'real' ending and I think that stumble of the top is proof enough, being that, it has never done that in his previous dreams.

The speech he gives Mal also affirms this because he will sooner or later discover Page's dream trap. In fact, everything from when they enter Leo's limbo from Aames' dream is important. His father is also not part of the dream because his father DOES see Leo's kids.

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one thing I noticed in there was the reviewer beleived that Saito was in Cobbs 4th level at the end, but the scene starts with Cobb being washed up upon the shore of his world, just as it showed Cobb and Mall washing up upon the shore of there world, so how could that have been part of Cobbs psyche.


but other than that your right, this is the 2nd most believable ending for me as well.

I think Nolan dropped enough clues in this one as well, the problem is he dropped a lot of clues for a lot of possible endings, though I think real has the most evidence if we take what Cobb says throughout the film and the final wobble into consideration.

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Anyway, fucking brilliant from Nolan and his best movie yet. The Dark Knight holds no candle to this even as a blockbuster.


Have to agree here. Even the acting was better than TDK, especially at the end with Leo and Marion. Holy crap. The more we found out about their backstory, the more heartbreaking it was. The acting was phenomenal during those scenes.

damn straight, I didn't even hesitate to believe Inception is superior film, its just that much better.

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