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The Scottie
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Okay, I saw this movie.
It had a very clever premise and good performances. But I had a couple of problems with it.
1. I know that the questions he is being asked all happen in his life, but is it too coincidental that everything has to happen chronologically? Couldn't they have mixed it up in the time frame at least (like going back or flashing forward in his life).
2. The Jai Ho song. Yes, it is fun to watch, but it is not an Oscar worthy song. In fact, it sounds like a song from Dance Dance Revolution.
Anyway, despite these flaws, I say you should give it a chance.
Grade - B+
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MadGez
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bABA wrote: Its very sad that i watched this movie once it became a legit oscar contender. Because one stops judging for what it is and starts judging it for if its worth winning or even being nominated for the top prize. And sadly, thats what happened. So before i continue any further, I'll say this much that the movie ranks as an A- for me.
The film is beautifully choreographed and probably even better acted. While Dev patel's performance in the film is something i find questionable, many of the supporting characters (including the youngest salim and jamal and the begger leader) deserve oscars for their very realistic and believable portrayals). The movie itself had a brilliant premise and like Neil already said, the idea that the boy looked at events in his life to answer each question was also quite interesting.
But there are certain placs where the movie truly fails which is why i don't think it should be an oscar contender at all.
a) Looking at your life to find answers is fine. But the fact that each question somehow triggered one of the most important memories in this boy's quest to run away and then find the girl again bordered on the realm of unbelievable coincidences. But .. i managed to excuse this.
b) I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but watching this movie felt like watching Forrest Gump, a story of someone going from one event to another. The reason why i point this out is because much like forrest gump, the film is more about a man's journey than a constant unfolding of his life and story ... the story and the theme in general comes together at the end. Sadly, Forrest Gump was meant to be light hearted and wile each scene was significant in the movie, it was never meant to be taken overly seriously at its surface. Slumdog sadly is and the major disconnect from scene to scene became quite prevalent.
c) I honestly thought the use of English in the movie was for the western audiences to understand whats going on. Then with the switch from hindi to english made me realize these characters are actually talking in english. Which is fine ... i don't have an issue. But these 'slumdogs' who've spent their entire life working or begging or something or the other got time to master a language? I mean the simple fact that they initially spoke in broken english and then improved is testament to this. I'm sorry but this just bothered me quite a bit.
d) A very small nit picky thing but i seriously doubt anyone ever taught Lathika how to drive, espicially a manual car.
e) The fuck was wrong with the shit ass hip hop music that suddenly showed up in the film from time to time. SOunded totally off.
I personally feel that if the movie kept just about every scene in this movie but just rearranged them for a better structure, it could vastly improve. For now, i'm personally of the opinion that its oscar status and its love from many people here mainly exists because its a well made portrayal of people who lived a truly miserable life that none of us are accostumed to seeing and another beautiful portrayal of an unfamiliar culture. I stand by this.
A- Thats pretty much spot on how i felt too (though I gave it an A). Early on I had a major problem with the finding answers in life bit and thought i'd end up hating the film but I let it go and from that moment I could enjoy the film. But yes, its a good film that could have been even better.
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I saw this for a second time yesterday and loved it even more.
I would still rank Benjamin Button and TDK ahead of it, but no movie last year drew me in emotionally as much as this one. The ending sort of made me feel like I was floating away, as cheesy as that sounds. So. Good. Backlash be damned.
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I think the ending scene was kind of cheesy, but it worked wonderfully. Certainly, one of the better moment in this film.
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Went in not expecting much. Walked out thinking it was great. Yes it's conventional, yes it's an underdog story, yes it's familiar, but what can I say? It won me over.
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MovieDude
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Libs wrote: I'm so rooting for this to defy KJ's preconceived notions and not turn into another Juno or Crash.
AKA a movie I don't have to hear get dragged through the mud every 2 seconds on the forum while I "stand by it." You really should've knocked on wood. People really turned on this and Benjamin Button. I assume that this did not happen with The Dark Knight and Wall-E, but going through these threads I wouldn't be shocked. Anyways, it seems to me that some people find the film's juxtaposition of "Slumdog" (bottom-of-the-rung poverty) and "Millionaire" (fairy tale) to be jarring/cheesy/in bad taste, while others, such as myself, were impressed by Boyle's ability to juggle genres with finesse. Danny Boyle has always liked to mix up genres, going all the way back to Shallow Grave (one of his best films, because here he doesn't stumble with the conclusion) and while in some cases he's crumbled under his own weight, here his direction is undeniably strong throughout. People complaining that the film is in bad taste, and that Hollywood is trying to glamorize poverty seem to assume that those who live on less than a dollar a day (somewhere around half of the world's population?) are by default constantly miserable. It's a nice, holier-than-thou attitude that scoffs at the prospect of poor people having a happy ending, a subtly myopic view. Or maybe people just love to hate on the Best Picture frontrunner, as if they'd be happy if any of the nominees took it's place. In a way, I feel like the film's tremendous success in Hollywood is because Slumdog Millionaire demonstrates just how well Hollywood/Bollywood can mix together. Spielberg has to be enthused that people have gotten so behind this union - isn't Dreamworks teaming with Bollywood?
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Shack
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MovieDude wrote: Libs wrote: I'm so rooting for this to defy KJ's preconceived notions and not turn into another Juno or Crash.
AKA a movie I don't have to hear get dragged through the mud every 2 seconds on the forum while I "stand by it." You really should've knocked on wood. People really turned on this and Benjamin Button. I assume that this did not happen with The Dark Knight and Wall-E, but going through these threads I wouldn't be shocked. Anyways, it seems to me that some people find the film's juxtaposition of "Slumdog" (bottom-of-the-rung poverty) and "Millionaire" (fairy tale) to be jarring/cheesy/in bad taste, while others, such as myself, were impressed by Boyle's ability to juggle genres with finesse. Danny Boyle has always liked to mix up genres, going all the way back to Shallow Grave (one of his best films, because here he doesn't stumble with the conclusion) and while in some cases he's crumbled under his own weight, here his direction is undeniably strong throughout. People complaining that the film is in bad taste, and that Hollywood is trying to glamorize poverty seem to assume that those who live on less than a dollar a day (somewhere around half of the world's population?) are by default constantly miserable. It's a nice, holier-than-thou attitude that scoffs at the prospect of poor people having a happy ending, a subtly myopic view. Or maybe people just love to hate on the Best Picture frontrunner, as if they'd be happy if any of the nominees took it's place. In a way, I feel like the film's tremendous success in Hollywood is because Slumdog Millionaire demonstrates just how well Hollywood/Bollywood can mix together. Spielberg has to be enthused that people have gotten so behind this union - isn't Dreamworks teaming with Bollywood? Thank you, someone who gets it. Slumdog wears its influences from cinema and stories in general on its sleeve. The whole "it is written thing" thing with the underdog story with the big victory ending and climax, the gangsters, the destined romance and fabled love interest, the general cinematic adventure tone of the whole thing, the Bollywood influence... it's all intentionally 'cinematic' if you will. Boyle is embracing and relishing in the conventions of the storytelling craft, not bowing to them unknowingly
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MovieDude
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Rorschach wrote: The thing is that I wouldn't really call it a mix of Hollywood/Bollywood. It's really a Bollywood film with a British style.
Now, since Bollywood does copy a lot from Hollywood, there is a Hollywood presence in the film but it's not a mixture of Hollywood/Bollywood. It wasn't British style, it was Boyle style. And frankly, he's not that far removed from intelligent, stylish Hollywood types. Regardless of whether he hailed from the UK or the US, the film shows a Western sensibility to an Indian film, and I think that a lot of people on both sides must be very happy that it's been so well recieved.
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Loyal
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There definitely seems to be a link between whether you've spent time in Mumbai and how much you like the film. The brown press has been pretty chilly to the film Moviedude.
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MovieDude
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loyalfromlondon wrote: There definitely seems to be a link between whether you've spent time in Mumbai and how much you like the film. The brown press has been pretty chilly to the film Moviedude. That's not an incredible surprise, history makes me imagine that they wouldn't take kindly to a Brit making his own pseudo-Bollywood flick. And while the politics are clearly different, both Israelis and Palestinians HATED Munich, which you were wise enough to call one of the best films of 2005.
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Loyal
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I don't think much can be made of the hatred of Munich over geopolitical issues and dislike of Slumdog regarding authenticity even within the context of its dickensesque story.
And as far as authorship, Mira Nair could have directed it and I think the issues would have mostly remained intact.
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MovieDude
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I don't think much can be made of the hatred of Munich over geopolitical issues and dislike of Slumdog regarding authenticity even within the context of its dickensesque story.
And as far as authorship, Mira Nair could have directed it and I think the issues would have mostly remained intact. Of course India and Israel aren't directly comparable! I don't think that makes my point of locals being unimpressed by a foreigner's interpretation of their own region invalid. (And for the record, Mira Nair's Slumdog Millionaire would probably have about as much in common with the actual version as a Boyle Munich would have to the one we know and love.) One could fairly debate that then a foreigner shouldn't even attempt to make a story set in a different country, but I think that's an exclusie attitude on par (though not directly comparable) to someone telling us not to bother traveling because we will never fully understand a country that's not our own.
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bABA
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I don't think much can be made of the hatred of Munich over geopolitical issues and dislike of Slumdog regarding authenticity even within the context of its dickensesque story.
And as far as authorship, Mira Nair could have directed it and I think the issues would have mostly remained intact. what most people fail to realize is that much of slumdog is not actually directed by danny boyle. most of the scenes involving the children were directed by the co director.
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Loyal
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Here's the thing though, I don't see much being made of Boyle as the director of an Indian film. Certainly not even 1/100th of the uproar Spielberg caused when he helmed The Color Purple.
Proper criticism of Slumdog seems to fall in two distinct camps, with a bit of overlapping.
There are those who simply don't think the film is up to snuff. It's all quality issues, deepened by an award season simply rolling over dead for the film.
Then there are those who has issues with the Indian story being told, how it's not representive of Mumbai, and that it exists in a weird hybrid of places, bright fable/harsh reality. But in the end being cohesive in neither.
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Johnny Dollar
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Armond White is a fucking lunatic, but every once in a while he's bound to be right about something. It's statistics. And I think his critique of this film for fetishizing poverty and violence and such is dead-on.
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MovieDude
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Here's the thing though, I don't see much being made of Boyle as the director of an Indian film. Certainly not even 1/100th of the uproar Spielberg caused when he helmed The Color Purple.
Proper criticism of Slumdog seems to fall in two distinct camps, with a bit of overlapping.
There are those who simply don't think the film is up to snuff. It's all quality issues, deepened by an award season simply rolling over dead for the film.
Then there are those who has issues with the Indian story being told, how it's not representive of Mumbai, and that it exists in a weird hybrid of places, bright fable/harsh reality. But in the end being cohesive in neither. Ok, so let's be hypothetical for a quick minute. Suppose Fox Searchlight hadn't bought this, and Warner Bros. dumped it in the Spring. The film still got great reviews, but failed to make a splash at the box office, therefore eliminating it's immortal BP-lock. Had this been the case, I feel the film would be getting a much kinder reception on here, as conversation seems to have become drastically more negative by the week. In this alternative reality (where Benjamin Button was the front runner, which might be enough for people on here to swear off Fincher, a shocking concept), I think people would accept Boyle's hybrid tones as part of his essential style.
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bABA
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by the way .. the portrayal of the powerty and the whole beggar stuff was quite dead on.
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Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:41 pm |
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Loyal
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MovieDude wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Here's the thing though, I don't see much being made of Boyle as the director of an Indian film. Certainly not even 1/100th of the uproar Spielberg caused when he helmed The Color Purple.
Proper criticism of Slumdog seems to fall in two distinct camps, with a bit of overlapping.
There are those who simply don't think the film is up to snuff. It's all quality issues, deepened by an award season simply rolling over dead for the film.
Then there are those who has issues with the Indian story being told, how it's not representive of Mumbai, and that it exists in a weird hybrid of places, bright fable/harsh reality. But in the end being cohesive in neither. Ok, so let's be hypothetical for a quick minute. Suppose Fox Searchlight hadn't bought this, and Warner Bros. dumped it in the Spring. The film still got great reviews, but failed to make a splash at the box office, therefore eliminating it's immortal BP-lock. Had this been the case, I feel the film would be getting a much kinder reception on here, as conversation seems to have become drastically more negative by the week. In this alternative reality (where Benjamin Button was the front runner, which might be enough for people on here to swear off Fincher, a shocking concept), I think people would accept Boyle's hybrid tones as part of his essential style. I think that plays into issue #1. But unfortunately films don't exist in vacuums and people will dislike Slumdog or dislike it more because they feel it's not as good as other films in the Best Picture 5. Or that other films that were better weren't even included. But I'm unwilling to write off criticism for the film that I find to be spot-on http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/c ... rentPage=2Quote: The central plot mechanism of "Slumdog Millionaire" - Jamal (Dev Patel), a poor kid from Mumbai, overcomes his ragamuffin past and achieves fame, wealth, and selfhood by answering questions on a high-stakes game show - feels both cheesy and rigid. The movie is a Dickensian fable, but didn't David Copperfield have to work his way up the ladder? As Jamal thinks over the questions put to him on the show, moments from his early life float through his mind, and some wrenching event delivers the right answer to him. Apart from a nagging implausibility - how could every question link up with an old memory? - I object to the way that the director, Danny Boyle, orchestrates Jamal's life. Everything is seen in a flash - the boy's mother is beaten to death, a man is set on fire, tiny goddesses appear out of nowhere - and nothing is prepared, explained, or understood. As slum children, Jamal and his friends are enchantingly beautiful, but the supersaturated color makes not just the kids but every surface and texture shine glamorously, including the piles of garbage that Jamal and his brother live among. Boyle has created what looks like a jumpy, hyper-edited commercial for poverty - he uses the squalor and violence touristically, as an aspect of the fabulous.
Almost every movie, of course, is a fantasy, or a fable, or a fairy tale of one kind or another. In a great movie, though, narrative and technological magic combine to produce heightened intimations of the real, and that ecstatic merging of magic and reality is what imprints the movie on our emotional memory. Besides the children, what I will remember of "Slumdog Millionaire" is a disorderly exploitation of disorder, a kind of visual salad of glowing rotten fruit, constantly tossed.
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Gulli
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How could every question link up to an old memory? Every single question you know the answer to links to an old memory. The act of learning the answer is a memory itself.
The review above seems to mock the film over the main character not just magically knowing the answers.
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Loyal
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The bigger issue pointed out in the review is how the film glorifies poverty. No amount of hyper-editing or slick cinematography makes that palatable.
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Gulli
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I don't think it glorifies it but neither does it give us a truly down and dirty look either. Thats the thing with Slumdog for me its a fable that uses a backdrop dazzled with strobe light. I have no problem with that in the context of the story, maybe if i watched this and came out thinking wow India is cool and full of happy endings I'd have an issue with its style (and would also smack myself for being retarded).
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Bradley Witherberry
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Gulli wrote: ...maybe if i watched this and came out thinking wow India is cool and full of happy endings I'd have an issue with its style (and would also smack myself for being retarded). India is indeed cool, though not full of happy endings...
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Here's the thing though, I don't see much being made of Boyle as the director of an Indian film. Certainly not even 1/100th of the uproar Spielberg caused when he helmed The Color Purple.
Proper criticism of Slumdog seems to fall in two distinct camps, with a bit of overlapping.
There are those who simply don't think the film is up to snuff. It's all quality issues, deepened by an award season simply rolling over dead for the film.
Then there are those who has issues with the Indian story being told, how it's not representive of Mumbai, and that it exists in a weird hybrid of places, bright fable/harsh reality. But in the end being cohesive in neither. That's me, although I was one of the first to be against this film. I never liked it. I'm not frustrated with a great film or even a good film getting more glory than it deserves (such as Fight Club and or even Casablanca respectively), we're talking about a mediocre one. The film certainly has its qualities, and the first half was actually very well done, but as soon as the romance and the theme take over, the whole thing begins to fall apart.
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I hope nobody thought that the dance is the ending.
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I didn't hate it either.
But omg, Danny Boyle. Pull the pretentious stick out of your ass and go direct 28 Months Later. I'd rather have had that than this.
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