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jujubee
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As much as I loved Wall-E himself, I think M-O was my favorite character.
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Eagle
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The film was everything I hoped it could be over a year ago, I couldn't be happier.
I went with Lisa, and she says it's easily her favorite Pixar movie, she found the characters adorable, and so did I. I can't wait to own it on DVD. Best movie of the year.
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Eagle wrote: The film was everything I hoped it could be over a year ago, I couldn't be happier.
I went with Lisa, and she says it's easily her favorite Pixar movie, she found the characters adorable, and so did I. I can't wait to own it on DVD. Best movie of the year.
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JURiNG
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What?? already 33 A's?? 12 to go! 
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This is really going to make it sound like I have something against this movie, but I truly love it...I do understand that out of the 5 critics who gave it "negative" reviews, probably 3 are simply to bring attention to themselves. But the most recent one I read, along with a fair amount of the positive reviews bring light to something not often touched on when computer-animated movies are reviewed: their plausibility. Now yes, I understand it's a cartoon, and essentially a children's movie, but one plot point that leads to the next needs to make sense, each character needs plausible motivation for their actions, and the story can't just end happily because it's supposed to. The step of critiquing CGI movies by the same standards as live-action movies is one that has yet to be taken I feel, but that is slowly starting to change.
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nghtvsn
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Box wrote: If the Fs are in place, I can't do the top films chart, because the votes for Wall-E would be CLEARLY distorted by three people. This film could potentially surpass Ratatouille as KJ's top film  Pretty much. I don't see a point of letting them stay unless they can be accounted for. This is a big reason why the who voted for what feature is so great to have on polls. Exactly. If a pyscho wants to put in a fake A or B that's one thing, but if your going to say a film is trash and grade an F then at least back it up with some substance. If you hate the genre and still watched it and still hated it then say so and it's justified. Case closed.
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insomniacdude
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nghtvsn wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Box wrote: If the Fs are in place, I can't do the top films chart, because the votes for Wall-E would be CLEARLY distorted by three people. This film could potentially surpass Ratatouille as KJ's top film  Pretty much. I don't see a point of letting them stay unless they can be accounted for. This is a big reason why the who voted for what feature is so great to have on polls. Exactly. If a pyscho wants to put in a fake A or B that's one thing, but if your going to say a film is trash and grade an F then at least back it up with some substance. If you hate the genre and still watched it and still hated it then say so and it's justified. Case closed. How is that different? Because you actually like a movie? Shouldn't the grades in the polls be legitimate either way? How is one fake F worse than one fake A when either grade technically skews the average grade? You people getting your panties into a bunch over three fake votes is both amusing and annoying. Fake votes happen on EVERY SINGLE movie thread in this forum, and we only worry about them when a movie comes along that has the predisposition to be loved by everyone who hasn't even seen it yet.  $0.02
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Harry Warden
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Eagle wrote: The film was everything I hoped it could be over a year ago, I couldn't be happier.
I went with Lisa, and she says it's easily her favorite Pixar movie, she found the characters adorable, and so did I. I can't wait to own it on DVD. Best movie of the year.
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billybobwashere
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nghtvsn wrote: Magnus wrote: To say "Pixar has done it again" is an understatement. Because Wall-E is nothing like Pixar has ever done. It has broken down the rules of the computer animation genre and shown just how powerful this medium is.
If there is any flaw in this film, it is the humans, whose dialogue and animation are just good in my eyes, and not close to the greatness of everything else in the film. But to call a "good" thing a flaw is really getting picky, because to expect every aspect of a film to be great is asking too much, even for a masterpiece (which Wall-E is).
Oh, and Presto was great and may be the best short film Pixar has made. I don't know how much CGA has been broken down when the humans look just like the humans in Toy Story 2. However, the visuals of earth, wallE and the other bots and space were excellent though. I can agree on that. I think the idea of the humans coming across as unrealistic and very animated was the point, though, because not only did WALL-E have much more personality and heart than the humans did, but he looked more real than they did, solidifying the idea that he had to re-install the human into them, even though he was originally created as a replica of humans, in a way.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Brilliant - - not a kid's cartoon, but a true sci-fi movie. Loved it - - perfect emotional resonance through both the robot and human storylines. Beautiful - - it's a Pixar. 50 out of 5. 
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Brilliant - - not a kid's cartoon, but a true sci-fi movie. Loved it - - perfect emotional resonance through both the robot and human storylines. Beautiful - - it's a Pixar. 50 out of 5.  And the world's love/hate relationship with the horrible/fabulous Bradford continues!
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Tyler
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I can at least see where Viperman comes from on it being disjointed--but the two worlds of the ship and Earth are supposed to be radically different with some very subtle similarities. As for the plant thing, well, S.D. comes to mind...
And yes, women are going to eat this film up. They responded by far the most positively to the film when I went.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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french man wrote: This is really going to make it sound like I have something against this movie, but I truly love it...I do understand that out of the 5 critics who gave it "negative" reviews, probably 3 are simply to bring attention to themselves. But the most recent one I read, along with a fair amount of the positive reviews bring light to something not often touched on when computer-animated movies are reviewed: their plausibility. Now yes, I understand it's a cartoon, and essentially a children's movie, but one plot point that leads to the next needs to make sense, each character needs plausible motivation for their actions, and the story can't just end happily because it's supposed to. The step of critiquing CGI movies by the same standards as live-action movies is one that has yet to be taken I feel, but that is slowly starting to change. That's why I like Brad Bird so much, he treats animation as a medium so much more than just a genre, Not dogging on other animation directors as Stanton really shows unique style in Wall-E, but Bird reakk knows how to structure a film, and perhaps the only time he might have stretched the plausability factor in Ratatouille was in how Remy controls Linguini through his hair, but other tahn that he really gives his characters motivation, and lets them tell the story, and not the other way around.
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Tyler
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Out of the five negative reviews, I think Zacharek's was the only that didn't seem attention-whoring, but had legit complaints that I could understand, if disagree with. It didn't even sound like a negative, more like a marginally positive 6 or 7/10.
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JURiNG
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Brilliant - - not a kid's cartoon, but a true sci-fi movie. Loved it - - perfect emotional resonance through both the robot and human storylines. Beautiful - - it's a Pixar. 50 out of 5.  I want to see this NOW 
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About changing the grades, apparently after yet another forum upgrade, we can't change them anymore...which, to me is actually great. As whatever one say, we still can't know for sure how one feels about the movie, maybe it's not their feeling towards movie, maybe it's a some sort of protest against overhyping or whatever...which I could see as a bit valid. Dunno really, and not really caring for their motivation for it. But anyway...you, you guys who voted, you can change your grades anytime you wish. So, maybe those 30+ people that voted As, sometime in future will see the light and change them, and everything will be back to normal. But again, read the posts, screw the polls. I'd most be happy if we didn't have them at all in this forum.
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jujubee
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Actually, it does not appear that this poll is set so we can change our grades.
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That's weird. Allow Re-Voting is ticked on. Not sure what's the problem, will look at it tomorrow.
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Viper Rodgers
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Sun Ra wrote: I can at least see where Viperman comes from on it being disjointed--but the two worlds of the ship and Earth are supposed to be radically different with some very subtle similarities. As for the plant thing, well, S.D. comes to mind...
And yes, women are going to eat this film up. They responded by far the most positively to the film when I went. Thank you Sun Ra! As i said, i by no means dislike the film or would ever call it a poorly made movie, its just i found too many flaws to enjoy it on the level that everyone else did... btw, what do you mean by S.D.?
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kypade
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Magnus wrote: To say "Pixar has done it again" is an understatement. Because Wall-E is nothing like Pixar has ever done. It has broken down the rules of the computer animation genre and shown just how powerful this medium is.
Wall-E's greatness comes not just from its ambition, but its execution. This is a film that shoots for the sky and reaches the stars. It uses animation and robots to speak about the human condition. Without a doubt, Wall-E is the most intellectual animated film I have seen. However, it's brilliance comes not from this, but from the fact that it is this deep yet still manages to be highly entertaining for all ages. It is one of those rare films that blends entertainment and art perfectly.
If there is any flaw in this film, it is the humans, whose dialogue and animation are just good in my eyes, and not close to the greatness of everything else in the film. But to call a "good" thing a flaw is really getting picky, because to expect every aspect of a film to be great is asking too much, even for a masterpiece (which Wall-E is).
Easily the best film of the year, and I'll be honest, if TDK tops this, I would be a bit surprised. A gem of this era, and a film that will never be forgotten.
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Oh, and Presto was great and may be the best short film Pixar has made. I feel like somebody can be more positive.
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kypade
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billybobwashere wrote: I went into "Wall-E," having fallen in love with the trailers and having seen its reviews, and prayed to dear God that it would at least come near my expectations, and possibly even match them. But effing Pixar just can't do things the way I want -- they have to go out and make a film that surpasses the highest of expectations. "Wall-E" is a masterpiece, and whether your kinda thing is "2001: A Space Odyssey" or "E.T." or "Star Wars" (or not even science-fiction at all!), this is a film that, in my opinion, is impossible to not fall in love with, or at least deeply enjoy.
The scenes on Earth at the beginning are the best parts, as foretold, and they are actually pitch-perfect. There is no comprehensible way that they could have developed our protagonist, given him such a unique and charming personality, and presented such a heartbreaking wasteland of a world any better than Pixar managed here. And when EVE enters the equation, we see even more of a character in Wall-E than we had before. It ranks among the best half hour or so of film that I've ever watched.
However, when things go into space, they don't fall apart, or even disappoint. The reason why it isn't perfect is because they must have based the film around the opening concept, and it was just too good to match. However, I think the surrounding story was pretty much as funny, romantic, and message-inspired as they could have made it without going off too far in any of those directions. Axiom is both a hilarious and depressing world, showing the direction that humanity is heading towards, yet at the same time showing the impact that something with a personality can have (as well as a number of funny, sorta-subtle references to company products we have in our lives today).
Which leads me to my next rave, and that's how Wall-E and the robots come across as being far more human than the creatures who claim that name. Wall-E is, of course, the character the film is based around, but EVE, M-O, and all the other small-time characters each add so much to the movie, whether in very small or very large ways, and you are far more interested in watching them than in the humans.
"Wall-E" is Pixar's greatest achievement, and even if I didn't think it was their best movie, it would still probably be their greatest achievement, because unlike their other movies, this doesn't have dialogue and writing (two things Pixar doesn't control) to grab your attention -- most of the film is entirely Pixar's genius at work. However, between the references to "2001: A Space Odyssey" and Charlie Chaplin alike, "Wall-E" is a movie that not only features one of the great love stories in cinema, but a very well-delivered message that comes close to hitting you a little too hard, but luckily manages to back off and let the film's sheer beauty take over the screen.
I'll need to wait until watching it at least one more time before claiming it to be Pixar's best film (ahead of both Ratatouille and Finding Nemo, which I have pretty much tied as their best work), which would then also make it the best animated film I've ever seen, but I really think that "Wall-E" is deserving of such praise. This is a movie that I know I will watch with my kids when I become a parent, and that's one high praise indeed.
I doubt I'll see a better movie this year.
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Viperman wrote: Sun Ra wrote: I can at least see where Viperman comes from on it being disjointed--but the two worlds of the ship and Earth are supposed to be radically different with some very subtle similarities. As for the plant thing, well, S.D. comes to mind...
And yes, women are going to eat this film up. They responded by far the most positively to the film when I went. Thank you Sun Ra! As i said, i by no means dislike the film or would ever call it a poorly made movie, its just i found too many flaws to enjoy it on the level that everyone else did... btw, what do you mean by S.D.?Suspension of disbelief. Wooden toys and videotapes that survive 700+ years, a cockroach that would survive multiple crushings like that. It's still a bit of a fantasy, and none of it's important in the light of the plot, which is to show WALL-E's curiosity, loneliness, his love and his fleeting observations of human sloth in the holding ships. That's why I don't buy the "environmentalist anti-capitalist hypocrisy" spiel, as it's there just as a way to get WALL-E's contact with almost all life severed and to give a mechanism for the increasing sloth of humans. And the plant? A device to get him and EVE back to space and eventually everyone back to earth. It's really not that important, outside of moving the plot forward, and like I said, it's a fantasy.
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Bradley Witherberry
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dolcevita wrote: I think the only place they missed a little was Eva. It was EVE. I loved the scene where, she tries to correct his pronunciation, and it gets worse and stays that way. A very real experience that is rarely captured in films... (* Extraterrestrial Vegetation Evaluator)
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bABA
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Sun Ra wrote: Viperman wrote: Sun Ra wrote: I can at least see where Viperman comes from on it being disjointed--but the two worlds of the ship and Earth are supposed to be radically different with some very subtle similarities. As for the plant thing, well, S.D. comes to mind...
And yes, women are going to eat this film up. They responded by far the most positively to the film when I went. Thank you Sun Ra! As i said, i by no means dislike the film or would ever call it a poorly made movie, its just i found too many flaws to enjoy it on the level that everyone else did... btw, what do you mean by S.D.?Suspension of disbelief. Wooden toys and videotapes that survive 700+ years, a cockroach that would survive multiple crushings like that. It's still a bit of a fantasy, and none of it's important in the light of the plot, which is to show WALL-E's curiosity, loneliness, his love and his fleeting observations of human sloth in the holding ships. That's why I don't buy the "environmentalist anti-capitalist hypocrisy" spiel, as it's there just as a way to get WALL-E's contact with almost all life severed and to give a mechanism for the increasing sloth of humans. And the plant? A device to get him and EVE back to space and eventually everyone back to earth. It's really not that important, outside of moving the plot forward, and like I said, it's a fantasy. What i love about animation and most stylized movies is that i'm a big fan of visual representation of things, something most people don't queue in on. This was the case with 300, and this is a case with Wall-E Roaches are said to survive just about anything .. the idea that the roach survives Wall-E stepping over him is not that an instance such as that won't kill him but more so a visual queue to the fact that cockroaches as a species survive everything ... I felt the same with the flower .... it wasn't that a plant was just growing within that dump, it was mroe of an artistic interpretation that amongst all the junk found on earth, mother nature still found a way to bring life back. but thats just me.
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bABA wrote: Sun Ra wrote: Viperman wrote: Sun Ra wrote: I can at least see where Viperman comes from on it being disjointed--but the two worlds of the ship and Earth are supposed to be radically different with some very subtle similarities. As for the plant thing, well, S.D. comes to mind...
And yes, women are going to eat this film up. They responded by far the most positively to the film when I went. Thank you Sun Ra! As i said, i by no means dislike the film or would ever call it a poorly made movie, its just i found too many flaws to enjoy it on the level that everyone else did... btw, what do you mean by S.D.?Suspension of disbelief. Wooden toys and videotapes that survive 700+ years, a cockroach that would survive multiple crushings like that. It's still a bit of a fantasy, and none of it's important in the light of the plot, which is to show WALL-E's curiosity, loneliness, his love and his fleeting observations of human sloth in the holding ships. That's why I don't buy the "environmentalist anti-capitalist hypocrisy" spiel, as it's there just as a way to get WALL-E's contact with almost all life severed and to give a mechanism for the increasing sloth of humans. And the plant? A device to get him and EVE back to space and eventually everyone back to earth. It's really not that important, outside of moving the plot forward, and like I said, it's a fantasy. What i love about animation and most stylized movies is that i'm a big fan of visual representation of things, something most people don't queue in on. This was the case with 300, and this is a case with Wall-E Roaches are said to survive just about anything .. the idea that the roach survives Wall-E stepping over him is not that an instance such as that won't kill him but more so a visual queue to the fact that cockroaches as a species survive everything ... I felt the same with the flower .... it wasn't that a plant was just growing within that dump, it was mroe of an artistic interpretation that amongst all the junk found on earth, mother nature still found a way to bring life back. but thats just me. And me.
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