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neo_wolf
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matatonio wrote: Star Wars wrote: Anyone else agrees that the son should've just died instead of a happy-Spielbergian-type-reunion-ending? Robbie should have died! i agree with you on that! the kid could of easily died on that explosion! stupid kid why didnt you DIE!! #-o :razz:
Spielberg follow the book where the guy's family is reunited at the end.
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matatonio
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neo_wolf wrote: matatonio wrote: Star Wars wrote: Anyone else agrees that the son should've just died instead of a happy-Spielbergian-type-reunion-ending? Robbie should have died! i agree with you on that! the kid could of easily died on that explosion! stupid kid why didnt you DIE!! #-o :razz: Spielberg follow the book where the guy's family is reunited at the end.
even if it was in the book, the kid should of died!
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George Taylor
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I think the general consensus is great first bit, crappy ending. Like I said before if you are going to follow the book, follow the book. That ending worked in 1898 London, it certainly doesn't work in 2005 earth. Not if you then swap certain other points like they've been here for 1000's of years, waiting, watching and all that.
The more I've thought about it there were so many plot holes that the entire movie was a slab of swiss cheese. Sure the ride was good while it lasted but then the ending and after thought does end up ruining the movie. This film had so much potential and blew it.
I am beginning to think more and more that Universal and Spielberg new it. They have test audiances they new what the consensus would be. They hatched the plan.
Ban the early reviews, give no reason just ban them.
Buy some early reviews, any reviewer who puts on paper that Cruise and Fanning give Oscar worthy performances is clearly on crack or has been paid to say it. That 100% at RT was a fix, now its low 70's probably end up in 60's, mostly due to 30 or 40 paid reviews.
Hide the disappointing opening numbers
if all else fails Blame Canada.
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baumer72
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George Taylor wrote: I think the general consensus is great first bit, crappy ending. Like I said before if you are going to follow the book, follow the book. That ending worked in 1898 London, it certainly doesn't work in 2005 earth. Not if you then swap certain other points like they've been here for 1000's of years, waiting, watching and all that.
The more I've thought about it there were so many plot holes that the entire movie was a slab of swiss cheese. Sure the ride was good while it lasted but then the ending and after thought does end up ruining the movie. This film had so much potential and blew it.
I am beginning to think more and more that Universal and Spielberg new it. They have test audiances they new what the consensus would be. They hatched the plan.
Ban the early reviews, give no reason just ban them. Buy some early reviews, any reviewer who puts on paper that Cruise and Fanning give Oscar worthy performances is clearly on crack or has been paid to say it. That 100% at RT was a fix, now its low 70's probably end up in 60's, mostly due to 30 or 40 paid reviews. Hide the disappointing opening numbers
if all else fails Blame Canada.
You actually can't blame us this time. There wasn't anything to do with Canada in this film this time. :razz:
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:45 am |
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baumer72
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With the film, I have to be honest, the first hour was so enthralling and so exhilirating that it was about to become one of my fave films of all time. The first attacks were just incredible and the visuals and the action was top notch. Cruise was simply amazing in the film and I loved it up until Robbins gets there. But then for some reason, the film decides to slow down. It did turn into the ending of Jurrassic Park with the raptors being replaced by the pods or the aliens. But even up until that point, it was still a solid 9 for me. But then ending, it really just felt so rushed, so haphazardly put together that it really takes all the wind out of the sails. But what a ride up until the Robbins character enters. Just too bad that it was rushed together. This could have been on par with JAWS and ET as Spielbergs best. Instead, we get a thoroughly enteraining film for 1 hour and then a collapse at the end.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:50 am |
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Eagle
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My zany conspiricy thread takes light!
I totally agree GT.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:51 am |
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baumer72
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It is possible that the the reviewers were planted. I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time, and certainly not the last.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:00 am |
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Eagle
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So back ont he topic of WoTW ...
Someone want to attempt to explain to me what in the hell all the red vines were? Why they were spraying blood, or why they were harvesting humans?
I understand and can accept that maybe were simply not supposed to know, I am just curious.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:08 am |
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baumer72
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I'd like to know as well.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:27 am |
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Star Wars
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Quote: As was mentioned, why bother even searching? Why not just level the house and search through the debri for any survivors?
I think they needed human blood to fertilize their red weed which is why they didn't just destroy everything.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:59 am |
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Star Wars
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Eagle wrote: So back ont he topic of WoTW ...
Someone want to attempt to explain to me what in the hell all the red vines were? Why they were spraying blood, or why they were harvesting humans?
I understand and can accept that maybe were simply not supposed to know, I am just curious.
Weren't they spraying blood to fertilize those red weed?
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:00 am |
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Star Wars
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neo_wolf wrote: matatonio wrote: Star Wars wrote: Anyone else agrees that the son should've just died instead of a happy-Spielbergian-type-reunion-ending? Robbie should have died! i agree with you on that! the kid could of easily died on that explosion! stupid kid why didnt you DIE!! #-o :razz: Spielberg follow the book where the guy's family is reunited at the end.
Since when has Spielberg have a faithful adaptation? :razz: Most of his adaptations (namely Jurassic Park and The Lost World) have almost nothing to do with the book except the concept and some characters.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:02 am |
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bABA
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they were making the planet habitable from what i could tell .. which involved vines filled with blood ... or so me thinks.
it ain't important to me. i don't mind lack of explanations such as those. it was a sudden invasion .. i'm not expected to know why they were doing it. i do expect to know however, how they failed.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:03 am |
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Jeff 42
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bABA wrote: Maverikk wrote: They were alergic to germs. The shields that protected their tripod killing machines developed a quick case of it, too, as those shields mysteriously quit working around the same time the aliens were being infected. Sloppy stuff, and not what I expect from Spielberg. You won't believe this!! I turned to my friend next to me and said the exact same thing? Either that dude inside it has to keep that button pressed at all times or the machine dies with its master ... freak. More story plot holes coming soon. no wait ... they're coming right now. a) All electrical devices, mechanical devices stopped working. Battery powered watch stopped working. yet a point and shoot camera plus video cam are fully operational. b) When cars across a 100 kms all stop working, they convieniently move out to open enough of a room for 1 van to easily pass by eithout slowiing down across the entire 100 kms. c) When a plane lands and destroys everything around a house and some other houses, our hero's car remains unscratched d) when our hero attacks one little part of our huge mechanical friend with an axe, the alien inside the machine decides to retract that little part and not do anything .. hell .. it decides to just walk away after its thing is chopped off. Put me in there and i'd step on the bloody house. e) The ending right? okay. I've looked at this from every conceivable angle. I don't buy it. we got a specie that seems more intelligent than us. they didn't realize that immunization against everything is required? Ok so lets say from where they come from, they don't need to worry about it. They studied us for sooooooooo long .. they didn't notice how life on planet earth evolves and certain people become immune while others die of a common cold? okay .. i guess they didnt catch on to it. What about the fact that in the last tens of years, every expidition requires immunity shots ... if they've observed us for so long, have they not learnt from what us humans always do? so much for planning. f) there is always a possibility of failure. the aliens failed ... so what? the end? no second wave of attack after rectifing a problem? g) the shields .... the shields!!!! that pissed me off soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad!!!! h) so in their entire planning, they managed to hide these machines from us yet couldn't send 1 individual of their own to feed off the blood and see if everything is cool? even in a war, we send someone in first!!! if its a surprise attack, we get some dudes in there before hand ... arrghhhhhh
Here's another one that's not really that big a deal in and of itself but also bugged me: When Cruise arrives at his ex-wife's house, which has working power, why doesn't he turn on a TV? ](*,)
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:23 am |
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Jeff
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Star Wars wrote: Since when has Spielberg have a faithful adaptation? :razz: Most of his adaptations (namely Jurassic Park and The Lost World) have almost nothing to do with the book except the concept and some characters.
To be fair, Michael Crichton wrote the screenplay, not Steven Spielburg.
Your bias is unbelievable.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:29 am |
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Star Wars
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RogueCommander wrote: Star Wars wrote: Since when has Spielberg have a faithful adaptation? :razz: Most of his adaptations (namely Jurassic Park and The Lost World) have almost nothing to do with the book except the concept and some characters.
To be fair, Michael Crichton wrote the screenplay, not Steven Spielburg. Your bias is unbelievable.
I could've swore it was Koepp who wrote Jurassic Park?
And it's still not a very good adaptation.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:30 am |
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And plus it's not the first time Spielberg did an adaptation that had nothing to do with the book except for concept and characters!
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:34 am |
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Jeff
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Star Wars wrote: And plus it's not the first time Spielberg did an adaptation that had nothing to do with the book except for concept and characters!
That doesn't mean anything considering he didn't write the script. Spielburg agreed to do a movie based on War of the Worlds, a script in this case was written by Josh Friedman and David Koepp.
And you are correct, David Koepp did assist with the screenplay on Jurassic Park along with Michael Crichton. Remember though, since Crichton was involved with the writing it is certain he gave his approval to the script. He also sold the rights to the second novel and allowed for his characters to be used for a third film. There is no way he would have done that if he did not like the films.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:37 am |
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RogueCommander wrote: Star Wars wrote: And plus it's not the first time Spielberg did an adaptation that had nothing to do with the book except for concept and characters! That doesn't mean anything considering he didn't write the script. Spielburg agreed to do a movie based on War of the Worlds, a script in this case was written by Josh Friedman and David Koepp. And you are correct, David Koepp did assist with the screenplay on Jurassic Park along with Michael Crichton. Remember though, since Crichton was involved with the writing it is certain he gave his approval to the script. He also sold the rights to the second novel and allowed for his characters to be used for a third film. There is no way he would have done that if he did not like the films.
Oh I am not saying they are bad films as a fact (I hate them though). I am saying they are bad adaptations in the fact they are almost nothing like the book. For example *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* wasn't it Tim who was the hacker? Didn't John Hammond die? Didn't the T-Rex chase Alan through the river? Didn't IAN die (and suddenly came back in the next book?) Didn't the hero's go into a pterodactyl cage? etc * END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* * END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS*
Know what I mean now?
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:41 am |
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baumer72
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Star Wars wrote: RogueCommander wrote: Star Wars wrote: And plus it's not the first time Spielberg did an adaptation that had nothing to do with the book except for concept and characters! That doesn't mean anything considering he didn't write the script. Spielburg agreed to do a movie based on War of the Worlds, a script in this case was written by Josh Friedman and David Koepp. And you are correct, David Koepp did assist with the screenplay on Jurassic Park along with Michael Crichton. Remember though, since Crichton was involved with the writing it is certain he gave his approval to the script. He also sold the rights to the second novel and allowed for his characters to be used for a third film. There is no way he would have done that if he did not like the films. Oh I am not saying they are bad films as a fact (I hate them though). I am saying they are bad adaptations in the fact they are almost nothing like the book. For example *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* wasn't it Tim who was the hacker? Didn't John Hammond die? Didn't the T-Rex chase Alan through the river? Didn't IAN die (and suddenly came back in the next book?) Didn't the hero's go into a pterodactyl cage? etc * END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* * END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* Know what I mean now?
Yes but that book is not as summer and pg friendly as the Spielberg version. If all that happened, you'd haev more of a horror film, not the 900 mill grosser that it was.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:46 am |
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Star Wars
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baumer72 wrote: Star Wars wrote: RogueCommander wrote: Star Wars wrote: And plus it's not the first time Spielberg did an adaptation that had nothing to do with the book except for concept and characters! That doesn't mean anything considering he didn't write the script. Spielburg agreed to do a movie based on War of the Worlds, a script in this case was written by Josh Friedman and David Koepp. And you are correct, David Koepp did assist with the screenplay on Jurassic Park along with Michael Crichton. Remember though, since Crichton was involved with the writing it is certain he gave his approval to the script. He also sold the rights to the second novel and allowed for his characters to be used for a third film. There is no way he would have done that if he did not like the films. Oh I am not saying they are bad films as a fact (I hate them though). I am saying they are bad adaptations in the fact they are almost nothing like the book. For example *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* wasn't it Tim who was the hacker? Didn't John Hammond die? Didn't the T-Rex chase Alan through the river? Didn't IAN die (and suddenly came back in the next book?) Didn't the hero's go into a pterodactyl cage? etc * END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* *END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* * END OF JURASSIC PARK BOOK SPOILERS* Know what I mean now? Yes but that book is not as summer and pg friendly as the Spielberg version. If all that happened, you'd haev more of a horror film, not the 900 mill grosser that it was.
Well I say they should've kept the T-Rex chasing them through the river. That was my favorite part.
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Jeff
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I've actually never read the books but I have heard from friends they are poor adaptions. My only point was don't pin everything on Spielburg. We all know you strongly dislike his movies and that is your choice. I'm just saying the Jurassic Park and Lost World: Jurassic Park adaption issues are not his fault.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:48 am |
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Star Wars
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RogueCommander wrote: I've actually never read the books but I have heard from friends they are poor adaptions. My only point was don't pin everything on Spielburg. We all know you strongly dislike his movies and that is your choice. I'm just saying the Jurassic Park and Lost World: Jurassic Park adaption issues are not his fault.
Good point but I'd rather not say what I have to say about that (because people would call me biased, Spielberg-hater, etc)
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:54 am |
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Jeff
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Star Wars wrote: RogueCommander wrote: I've actually never read the books but I have heard from friends they are poor adaptions. My only point was don't pin everything on Spielburg. We all know you strongly dislike his movies and that is your choice. I'm just saying the Jurassic Park and Lost World: Jurassic Park adaption issues are not his fault. Good point but I'd rather not say what I have to say about that (because people would call me biased, Spielberg-hater, etc)
We all know you dislike his films and that is fine. I've found that actually I prefer to not dislike a director but rather individual films. There have been director's whose films I've not liked but then they release another film and I find it to be good. Only thing I'm saying is, don't judge every film a director releases just because you didn't like one.
Remember though, that without Spielburg, Indiana Jones would never have come to fruition. And isn't that a film you liked due to Lucas' involvement?
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:01 am |
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Star Wars
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RogueCommander wrote: Star Wars wrote: RogueCommander wrote: I've actually never read the books but I have heard from friends they are poor adaptions. My only point was don't pin everything on Spielburg. We all know you strongly dislike his movies and that is your choice. I'm just saying the Jurassic Park and Lost World: Jurassic Park adaption issues are not his fault. Good point but I'd rather not say what I have to say about that (because people would call me biased, Spielberg-hater, etc) We all know you dislike his films and that is fine. I've found that actually I prefer to not dislike a director but rather individual films. There have been director's whose films I've not liked but then they release another film and I find it to be good. Only thing I'm saying is, don't judge every film a director releases just because you didn't like one. Remember though, that without Spielburg, Indiana Jones would never have come to fruition. And isn't that a film you liked due to Lucas' involvement?
Actually, I like some Spielberg films (such as Jaws, Raiders and to some extent Empire of the Sun and Catch Me If You Can). But if you read the War of the Worlds petition thread you can see I even defend Spielberg. So it's not like I hate him, just usually his movies (although I think he is kind of a hack he does have a genuine love of film making).
Anyways, Lucas didn't NEED Spielberg to direct it. But I am wondering why George just didn't direct Raiders himself?
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