No!

I guess I should have just said most men in general have trouble saying the word 'love', not just straight men.

Ennis loved Jack, but was scared of these feelings and of showing them and cared too much of what others would think. It's obvious in the end how much Jack meant to Ennis without him having to even say much. If it was just about sex I don't think he would have cried for him and it would be a lot easier for him to let go and move on, but instead he's trying to hold on to what they had. People love in different ways, and while Ennis never says "I love you straight out," you just know he did in the end, and he feels regret for leaving things the way he did and now he'll have to live with never being able to take it back. It's just really tragic and sad if you ask me, and the more I think about it the more I realize how sad it is. Ennis loved Jack in his own way. One of the best lines of the year and also one of the shortest and most heartbreaking is "Jack, I swear," which is probably my favorite quote from the film.

****Spoilers****

What do you guys think really happened to Jack? Once I got out of the movie I just figured what really happened was Jack was beaten to death like we see, however I talked to an online friend after seeing it and they asked me what I thought really happened to Jack, bringing to my attention that maybe it wasn't the gay bashing. I now must say I think what really happened is what Lureen said, and Ennis was just imagining it being a gay bashing. He told me that the scene in which Ennis recalls what happened to the one gay guy when he was a kid and the scene of Jack being beaten have the same type of tint to them, so if that's true then I'd say it's likely just what Ennis is thinking.

****End Spoilers****

the way laureen delivers "what happened" so rehaursed and matter of fact implies to me that it's a cover up story for what really happened to him. if Jack was gay bashed, she couldn't just tell people that. the guy drowned in his own blood from a broken nose and jaw. i think it's clear. but i like how ang lee does it so that it is up for interpretation none the less. i think he does it because in the end it doesn't matter how jack really died, does it?

Yeah, I heard it in Jack's truck while watching the movie, and in my opinion it was comprehensible, even if it was less than 30 seconds. Damn, it makes me wish they had played it for longer and in another scene, oh, and louder so they couldn't say it was inaudible.

Ugh, I wish the Oscars could have made an exception for this song .




Thanks.

I saw that in the movie but didn't even think about it being symbolic at the time. Thanks for the heads up. I really like that piece of symbolism.

Mike,

[spoil]
In the short story, it is left ambiguous as well. However, there are suggestions that something was done to Jack, from the way that the narrative somehow connects Jack's death with his father, although again, it is left ambiguous.

That, I am convinced, is Annie Proulx's, and Ang Lee's point: the fact that it's not known underlines what has been the major problem all along, which is that the fear of the unknown has kept these two men apart and has denied them any opportunity to be happy.

The alienation of minorities, including (perhaps especially?) sexual minorities depends on the supression of truth in order to preserve the status quo. If these two men love each other, that doesn't mean that it's alright for them to be together; rather, social pressures will act in such a way as to make them feel hatred towards themselves for feeling the way they do (and thus for being different), and will furthermore not shy away from violent acts aimed at preventing the realization of a union between them. Let me put it this way: it's more likely that the people will kill both Jack and Ennis rather than see them be happy together.

From the viewpoint of the disenfranchised individuals, this hostility creates a serious dilemma, because you are forced to question who is a potential threat to your well being, and who isn't. If you see a group of teenagers walking towards you, and they're hostile to you, you immediately ask yourself, if you are gay, whether they are being hostile because of your sexual orientation, or if you are Black, whether they are hostile because of your skin colour, and so on.

With that in mind, consider Ennis' viewpoint: Jack is dead, and it's not clear how he has died. Both men knew that what they were doing was socially unacceptable, and they explicitly state that if they are found out about, it could mean death. And now Jack is dead. So, does this mean someone has killed him? If so, why? It's extremely difficult for someone in Ennis' position not to consider Jack's death to be a consequence of homophobia.

However, in allowing it be to ambiguous, Proulx and Lee are suggesting that the unknowability of it is ultimately the worst product of the hostility and homophobia: it is not only society that has shied away from the truth; in being hostile towards these men, it has denied them the opportunity to know the truth. It has, in other words, got them under its control. I don't think I need to tell you that this is nothing short of tragic. The supression of minorities at the hands of the status quo is one of the greatest evils plaguing humanity. [/spoil]

No, it really doesn't, but it would still be nice to know how Ms. Proulx herself interprets it, if she has any opinion on it at all, and she must.

I did find it odd the way Lureen delivered "what happened" so I didn't have a problem believing he was bashed, but I don't know. It would be nice to know what really happened though for curiosity's sake.

You're probably on to something. I hope when I finally do write a review you don't mind me bringing this up. Obviously not what you said word-for-word, but I might end up mentioning it in one way or another.

Anyway, thanks for your interpretation. BTW, what did you think of the movie? I didn't know you saw it.

10m+ for Brokeback this coming wknd, the film will be massive, I expect a final gross in the 100m-150m range

Huge it will be huge! ! ! the staying power, the unstopablness, it will be like a mini Titanic

Shit, I forgot to watch Anne Hathaway on Regis & Kelly this morning. At least I still have Jake Gyllenhaal on Leno Friday night. I thought someone else from Brokeback Mountain was supposed to be on something this week? Stupid TV Guide changed their search thing so it seems impossible to me to be able to search for a person now and find out all of the stuff they'll have on/be on for a week. Does anyone know a different place where I can find out about anything Brokeback Mountain related being on TV in the upcoming week(s)? Maybe the website has a place that lists what the stars will be on in the upcoming week(s)?


Anyway, I doubt it will make 10+ Million this weekend, but it would be awesome if it did. It should be at at least 60 Million by the time the Oscars air, and if it wins Best Picture it should be able to double what it has made so far, so it would be at least 120 Million. That is quite amazing.

Brokeback won 3 critics choice awards on Monday night, including Best Picture...

http://www.showbizdata.com/contacts/pic ... WARDS_FOR_<I>BROKEBACK</I>

I hope the people responsible for Brokeback's Utah cancellation take their kids to see Hostel or Wolf Creek. It's certainly never to early to set your children's priorities straight.


pun intended.

10m+ wknd +85% from last wknd all the film needs to do is clear 3.0m this friday

it did great in the UK over the weekend!!! #4 and highest theater average, playing in about 1/4 the theaters of the #1 movie. I believe.

*checks #s to be sure*

Also three spots higher than Match Point despite playing in 5 less theaters.

It could become a mini-phenomenon

Hehe... you get my gold star of the day.
Apparently I'm handing out one gold star a day for posts that put a smile on my face

The first was Archie the day before and now you!!!


does anyone know how much BM is expanding to this weekend?

And why does everyone abbreviate it BBM???
Brokeback is not two words. It's BM

hehe



It's shortened to BBM because BM is allready a common abbreviation for somthing else

it is? BM = butt muncher?

[spoil]Bowel movement[/spoil]

I'm seein this film tonight with 3 of my friends, My brother and 3 of his friends.

I think it's gonna rock....i'm SO excited.

The most excited iv been in a LONG while to see a Non-Horror movie!

YAY you'll love it. Who are you?

i am in love with you avatar!!

I used to be "MansonMyers" on here...but changed my name, because my names Kris.

LOVE Jude Law!! Gorgeous!

But Jake Gyllenhaal has always been a favourite of mine, ever since Donnie Darko, so i think I'm gonna love this film.

It only opened on Friday here in the UK....and it done really well.

YAY do you have any box office numbers? number of theaters? how does it compare to other similar releases in the UK??

It was #4 in the UK - despite being in only 125 theaters, a wide release there is 300-500 theaters. Best average of the top twenty, too. You can find the chart at Mojo already:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/uk/2006/01.htm

It was also number one in London by far Here´s the link: http://www.timeout.com/film/news/848.html

Yes, this as a remarkable opening in the UK. Far, far above expectations.

For comparison Million Dollar Baby went wide at the same time of year on 285 screens and grossed £803,899. BBM took £987,261 on only 125 screens. MDB went on to gross £5.4million, BBM could easily challenge that total with awards buzz.

So... have you seen it already, Andrew?